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Star Wars Episode VIII - The Last Jedi *spoilers from Post 2857*
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That was another really odd character switch.
Luke Skywalker, the man who wouldn't give up on Darth Vader, decided (even for a moment) to kill his nephew, because of something in his eyes?
People change, I guess.
It’s exactly because he saw what his father did to the galaxy that he considers killing ben. He has the power to stop the loss of billions of lives if he just kills his nephew. And he can’t.
And gets caught thinking about it by Ben.
So he not only had the guilt of all those lives lost he also created it happening by driving Ben to the dark in that moment.
And now he’s a broken man as a result.
THAT is wonderful writing by Rian Johnson.0 -
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Siths always seem to be wanting to screw each other over! Always looking for understudy’s to overthrow either an apprentice or leader!
That’s the rule of two. The master knows his apprentice will eventually kill him. And that’s how he knows his apprentice is finally worth it.
The sith are effectively like the pro life campaign if they were nazis. Only the very best and strongest will survive
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Which itself was a bit daft. 1) he's disgusted with the Jedi, yet where does he go? Jedi Planet Zero. 2) Given it is the Jedi planet it's a bit difficult to believe it was hidden for a "thousand generations", but I can forgive that bit. 3) in the Farce Awakens Luke legs it, but leaves a map to where he is with R2, then in the Lost Jedi he's surprised Rey has been able to find him. Eh you left a map you muppet. In TFA his sabre(not "laser sword") takes on the level of the Holy Grail of things, only for him in his first scene in TLJ to throw it away. Sure it's throwing expectations, but it's lazy and gets a cheap laugh and is internal myth deconstruction for the sake of it at its finest. Then Yoda shows up about ten years(at least) too late. Where was he when the new evil was rising? Where was he to advise Luke when he actually needed it? Ben and Yoda going into isolation had an end purpose, Luke's doesn't. While there are a few narrative twists that didn't gel with me I could understand their inclusion, even the sabre tossing bit, but for me there were too many of them across the film for comfort.
Leaving the map when he was choosing to isolate himself is odd alright. Come to think of it, where exactly do those map pieces come from if not from Luke? But...
Yoda didn’t tell anybody where he was going and Obi Wan only revealed himself when the time was right in ANH. Different circumstances but all jedis leave ways for them to be contacted if needs be or the force makes it happen! Had Luke not left a map, then he truly would be out of character! Absolute denial of his Jedi responsibility’s or heritage (I think you might get what I mean?).
Could Luke of wanted to be isolated but he did leave a bread crumb in case he was needed? He kept asking Rey “why you”? He wasn’t surprised when she revealed she was force sensitive. Didn’t R2D2 only come to life when Rey was at the rebel base? Was this basically Luke leaving a piece of puzzle that would only be revealed at the right time? I don’t see why a Jedi can’t be conflicted (isolation and Fed up with Jedi/religion) and instinctually leave a way to contact them (just in case).?
Doesn’t the force work in mysterious ways? I mean you could say it’s a ludicrous cop out but the entire movie is based on the force constantly rebalancing things useing force strong (good and bad) beings.
Him throwing Light Sabre away?! Hmm. I didn’t mind this. Visually it tells us Luke is not the Luke we remember. Luke is fed up with the Jedi order and yet hasn’t burned down the books. and he chooses the Jedi place to isolate himself
. Everything says that he’s conflicted but disillusioned. Like a person who is questioning their faith but still blesses themselves or pray to god. I think Luke was always going to get back into the fight.
For all our feelings on Luke, it’s easy to forget that he didn’t sense that Leia was his sister when he was looking to get a piece of the princess pie in ANH!
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To be fair, Lucas had no idea he'd be helming a trilogy when he wrote and shot Star Wars.For all our feelings on Luke, it’s easy to forget that he didn’t sense that Leia was his sister when he was looking to get a piece of the princess pie in ANH!
He came up with that after the massive success and sequels were needed. Luckily Luke was a pretty flawed central hero with way more of a story to tell. If he'd done a Rey and became a force master near instantly and fought Vader in the last reel to a draw(or killed him) they'd have few places to go. Pure dumb luck. Actually the first "spoiler" I ever read was in the Star Wars comic around 1980, in a piece on the new Empire film being shot and the writer said he had heard that Vader was Luke's da, but dismissed this as highly unlikely and a bit daft.
Was anybody else disappointed with Yoda? Him showing up in the first place ten years too late and doing what he did was a bit odd, but I mean the look of him. I mentioned this earlier. OK they went back to the puppet, I suppose cos of all the criticism of some of the CGI Yoda stuff and for the member berries, but it looked odd and clumsily puppeteered(should be a word) compared to him in the original trilogy.
I suppose any criticism I would have is less about the Star Wars saga, but more about the all too often colour by numbers and current audience expectation shift that informs Hollywood blockbusters in general. That some critics see this as both a well made and scripted and somehow a "brave" film says much and not a lot of it good as far as current Hollywood cinema tropes are concerned, or the audience that rocks up to them.
I suppose it's also why I have largely given up on big Hollywood flics(I went to this because of well TBH my own memberberries working) and why I would increasingly look at TV series. Because there's generally less money at stake, not a lot of secondary merchandise concerns and it's easier to get into for a much wider demographic of behind the camera folks(far more women for a start) and the FX stuff(where required) has become so affordable so can look "cinematic" and they have time to tell a story or several stories more completely and with far more internal logic.
If this new run of Star Wars had been on the telly/netflix I'd bet the farm it would have been a much stronger set of story arcs and far more character realistic. For a start they would have had time to show Rey's heroine's journey. Beyond the popular and bloody lazy Buffy babe who can do no wrong thing, it would take far better writing than was on display in the Farce Awakens to condense that into one film, while still leaving the opening for growth. Even then it could appear rushed. As I said the original Star Wars did that by mistake and were able to let Luke's arc play out over the next two. Because Disney knew they had a trilogy to work with they could and should have and not just with her.Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.
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