Rafa Benitez sacked

citytillidie

Pighead wrote: »

Generally yes but sometimes there is an air of inevitability about a managers position and there's no point in prolonging the agony. A bit like Roy Hodgson's time at Liverpool.

Oh dear at that, no way can you compare those two

Flint Fredstone

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

But what argument are you trying to win here? I've not seen anyone on this forum try and argue that Benitez is in the same bracket as Ferguson, Mourinho, Heynkes, etc.

Benitez is a good manager who has enjoyed a generally solid career. When you consider the amount of top level clubs around Europe and the World and all the managers who have passed through them during the past twenty years it isn't hard to see Benitez as in the 99th percentile in terms of success. The vast majority of managers fail at the vast majority of clubs without ever winning a top level honour.

I never said he wasn't a good manager. All I'm saying is that league wins at the top level are more a measure of a manager than cup wins.

He had that Liverpool team spanking some of the best Europe had to offer but could never manage domestic league success.

Utopia Parkway

dogbert27 wrote: »

It's a huge risk by Zidane to take this on. He is heavily invested in the club with his four sons all playing at under age level.

What will happen when eventually everything turns sour and he's given the same treatment as Del Bosque, Ancelotti and Benitez.

He was having a great time managing the B team with no expectations on him, all his kids involved in the club, hailed as an icon where ever he went.

He'll lose it all come the end of the season, unless his tactical planning is to tell the team do whatever ye like just don't complain about me to the press.

They'll probably be a bit more patient with him considering who he is but yeah most likely it will all end in tears. Again.

dogbert27

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

They'll probably be a bit more patient with him considering who he is but yeah most likely it will all end in tears. Again.

I don't know. I see this like Giggs taking over from Moyes thinking he could do a better job.

To save face if it does go wrong is to say he's an interim solution.

Shanotheslayer

dogbert27 wrote: »

I don't know. I see this like Giggs taking over from Moyes thinking he could do a better job.

To save face if it does go wrong is to say he's an interim solution.

Did somebody not say it was rumored to be a 3 year deal?

inforfun

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Did somebody not say it was rumored to be a 3 year deal?

This says it is a deal till mid 2018

via google translate:

Zinedine Zidane may call himself officially the new coach of Real Madrid. The former top player has put his doodle Tuesday under a contract until the summer of 2018.

It says it in Dutch, but it does say it.
Reliable site too.

Seamu$

inforfun wrote: »

Gav got what i meant indeed. 3-0 behind at HT and still win the final is the freak part.

Get you now, sorry. Still think his CL record with Liverpool is undervalued by many, but his managerial record is somewhat of a mixed bag now - excellent with Valencia, outstanding with Liverpool in Europe and decent with them in the League with a bad final season, fairly disastrous stint at Inter considering he inherited a treble winning side, decent interim stint with Chelsea in difficult circumstances, underwhelming time at Napoli despite decent transfer investment and now a short spell with Real that will probably be harshly deemed a failure even though it wasn't bad by most standards.

Excluding mickey mouse trophies he has won 2 La Ligas, 1 CL, 2 UEFA Cup/Europa League, 1 FA Cup & 1 Coppa Italia. He's probably a level below the likes of Guardiola, Mourinho, Ancellotti due to lack of league titles in the last 10 years but, as others have said, he's still a very good manager and one of the top ones available.

dogbert27

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Did somebody not say it was rumored to be a 3 year deal?

Just read an article that he signed until the end of the season.

LiamoSail

Flint Fredstone wrote: »

League wins are the bread and butter, CL wins will propel you to greatness on top of that but if you don't have the base of the domestic league success it won't count for as much. Ferguson is still considered to be in the running for GOAT even with only 2 wins in such a long career.

I'm not dismissing CL wins at all but Fergie's 2 CL wins came with a league win and one was a treble. Rafa's came with an unheard of 5th place finish in the league. A couple of league wins with Liverpool instead of his European successes, added to his time at Valencia would have made his career look a lot better for me.

Yea, agree with you entirely, the league is the bread and butter. I had thought you were dismissing cup runs to a far great extent than you are

Francie Barrett

Benitez is a good manager, but he shot himself in the foot by taking some of the jobs that he did. Inter, Real, Chelsea, he walked into all these jobs as nothing more than a coach with no say over recruitment, having to deal with internal politics and very often a poisonous dressing room. It was always going to be a no-win situation, even for a pro like Benitez.

I am just hoping that he has learned a lesson in all this and that his next role will be more of a project where he is given a fair crack at the whip.

Shanotheslayer

I wonder will United have any interest in signing him.

dogbert27

With the managerial merry go around I see Guardiola going to City, Mourinho going to PSG, Ancelotti is lined up for Munich. There's not much left for Benitez to go to.

He's done Italy twice. He's done the premier league twice.

He'll have to take a step back to Sevilla or maybe try his hand with Monaco or Lyon.

Lovely Bloke

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

They'll probably be a bit more patient with him considering who he is but yeah most likely it will all end in tears. Again.

Almost every single manager ends tenure "in tears".

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I wonder will United have any interest in signing him.

amazing post.

the fans would never be onside with it, and I can actually imagine open rebellion.

Billy86

They gave Zidane a two and a half year contract. Anyone know the odds on him being gone within 12 months?

Shanotheslayer

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Almost every single manager ends tenure "in tears".

amazing post.

the fans would never be onside with it, and I can actually imagine open rebellion.

The fans weren't on board at Chelsea either.

If United lose out on Pep/Mou/Ancel etc. Tought to see who they'll get.

Billy86

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The fans weren't on board at Chelsea either.

If United lose out on Pep/Mou/Ancel etc. Tought to see who they'll get.

1000% not Benitez, anyway. For a host of reasons.

Francie Barrett

Billy86 wrote: »

They gave Zidane a two and a half year contract. Anyone know the odds on him being gone within 12 months?

An early exit for the CL with a finish outside of the top 2 and he could be gone by the end of the year :eek:

Chancer3001

Can't understand people saying he was doing well.

Yes he beat the rubbish teams in thr league.

But he got hammered by barca 4-0

Couldn't beat valencia.

Managed over the mess which saw them get booted out of the cup.

Third in the league isn't near good enough for Real.

GavRedKing

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I wonder will United have any interest in signing him.

Chelsea fans didnt want him, that would be amped up ten fold if he was to turn up at Old Trafford.

No chance of it happening IMO.

inforfun

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

I wonder will United have any interest in signing him.

I think i am higher on their list and after Van Gaal that is saying something considering i am also Dutch

Shanotheslayer

inforfun wrote: »

I think i am higher on their list and after Van Gaal that is saying something considering i am also Dutch

Ah they'll probably get Daglish or so something so lads :pac:

klose

Chancer3001 wrote: »

Can't understand people saying he was doing well.

Yes he beat the rubbish teams in thr league.

But he got hammered by barca 4-0

Couldn't beat valencia.

Managed over the mess which saw them get booted out of the cup.

Third in the league isn't near good enough for Real.

The barca game was as clear as day as Perez picking the team, there's no way Rafa starts that game with a midfield 2 of Kroos and modric, 4 attackers and 2 extremely attacking full backs. That team was always gonna get done when the team was selected.

A draw away at the mastilla regardless of circumstances is hardly disastrous and the cheryshev fiasco had zilch to do with him, he was coaching in a different league when the original red card happened at the time, it was a laughable **** up behind the scenes.

The_Kew_Tour

I would not mind Rafa

Just not a hope it will happen

bucketybuck

Pighead wrote: »

Madrid are the biggest club in the world. Under Rafa's watch they lost 4-0 at home to their greatest rivals. He's had six months to close the gap on Barca but he's fallen further behind if anything.

A whole six months!!!!!!!! :eek::eek::eek:

jesus_thats_gre

Ardent

super_furry wrote: »

Don't think anyone else comes close. I watched them boo off their own team at half-time as they were winning 4-2 in a game they'd go onto win 10-2.

It's not just Madrid fans who do that. I was at the Nou Camp many moons ago when Barca got booed off at half time for only being 1-0 up against Levante or some such team (they went on to win 4-0).

Classless bunch supporting those two teams.

Billy86

I know people say (and have a point in saying) that the Premiership and English football in general is pretty lopsided in terms of the 'haves' and the 'have nots' but Spain is beyond a joke - Atletico are doing well to try and break it, but simply don't have a hope long term. The entirety of football and the existence of every football club and body in that country is for a single purpose: to accommodate and prop up Barca and Madrid.

The TV deal in particular is a shambles, and when Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc follow suit (they will have to sooner rather than later) English football is going to go the same way. As a Utd fan, we would benefit more than any other club in the world from such a set up - but I still hate the idea.

AdamD

Its the other way round, the Spanish teams are changing their TV model to what the English teams have in place.

Billy86

AdamD wrote: »

Its the other way round, the Spanish teams are changing their TV model to what the English teams have in place.

Hadn't heard that, and I bloody well hope so! But why/how would Madrid/Barca realistically agree to this?

LiamoSail

Billy86 wrote: »

I know people say (and have a point in saying) that the Premiership and English football in general is pretty lopsided in terms of the 'haves' and the 'have nots' but Spain is beyond a joke - Atletico are doing well to try and break it, but simply don't have a hope long term. The entirety of football and the existence of every football club and body in that country is for a single purpose: to accommodate and prop up Barca and Madrid.

The TV deal in particular is a shambles, and when Man Utd, Chelsea, Arsenal, etc follow suit (they will have to sooner rather than later) English football is going to go the same way. As a Utd fan, we would benefit more than any other club in the world from such a set up - but I still hate the idea.

I think the gap is narrowing between the have's and have nots.

With the increase in TV revenue, the likes of Stoke, Palace, Southampton, West Ham, Everton etc have improved as they attract a higher calibre of player, the sort of player who would traditionally gone to a bigger foreign club. The likes of United, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, Liverpool etc are still shopping in the same bracket, as the the calibre of players that were previously out of their reach, continue to remain so, hence as the smaller clubs improve, the bigger stagnate and the gap narrows

doc_17

Billy86 wrote: »

Hadn't heard that, and I bloody well hope so! But why/how would Madrid/Barca realistically agree to this?

The other teams could just form their own league and breakaway without the Big 2

inforfun

Billy86 wrote: »

Hadn't heard that, and I bloody well hope so! But why/how would Madrid/Barca realistically agree to this?

Here

Clubs had their own rights in the past, hence Barca and Real getting the big money.

LuckyLloyd

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

He's always been a very classy individual, but - much like the departing statement from Moyes - the lack of a specific mention for the players is very telling.

LiamoSail

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

He's always been a very classy individual, but - much like the departing statement from Moyes - the lack of a specific mention for the players is very telling.

He does mention the players, second last line. Or am I misinterpreting you?

Edit: see what you mean actually, first paragraph

sReq | uTeK

LiamoSail wrote: »

He does mention the players, second last line. Or am I misinterpreting you?

Edit: see what you mean actually, first paragraph

He does

Bohrio

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Since the turn of the century


Vicente del Bosque
Carlos Queiroz
José Antonio Camacho
Mariano García Remón
Vanderlei Luxemburgo
Juan Ramón López Caro
Fabio Capello
Bernd Schuster
Juande Ramos
Manuel Pellegrini
José Mourinho
Carlo Ancelotti
Rafael Benítez
Zinedine Zidane

This reminded me of an article I read today

During Florentinos "reign" and since he took over Madrid has won 3 La Liga of 12 possible (2 of them with Vicente del Bosque), 2 Copas del Rey (of 12) and 2 champion leagues (1 again with Vicente del Bosque).

Funny enough Florentino didnt hire Vicente, he did sack him though despite the good results

Florentino, best thing ever happened to Barca fans

LiamoSail

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

He does

Yea, on second read though I noticed he left them out when he mentions others, in the first paragraph

StringerBell

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Serious amount of class right there.

LuckyLloyd

LiamoSail wrote: »

Yea, on second read though I noticed he left them out when he mentions others, in the first paragraph

He wishes them luck but he doesn't thank them