Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 15/16

mosstin

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Stevie Wonder wouldn't describe Sanchez as the best player in the league.

In fairness to Stevie Wonder, he's seen more incidents involving Arsenal players than Arsene Wenger over the years.

Harry Palmr

U21s Starting XI vs Middlesbrough: Ward; McLaughlin, Brewitt, Maguire, Smith; Chirivella, O'Hanlon; Kent, M Gomes, Ojo; Sinclair (twitter.com)

Firth, Whelan, Polgar, Hart, Trickett-Smith

Its on the telly if you have a sub

Washington Irving

paulie21 wrote: »

Torres v Villa in 10 and Gerrard v Derby 08

Milan Baros penalty (and hat-trick) vs Palace in 2004.

For the week that's in it.

BullBlackNova

Not a winner, but popped into my head when people were adding up the last minute goals.

Skrtel against Arsenal in the 97th minute to draw level at 2-2.

That was fun.

Osmosis Jones

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Not a winner, but popped into my head when people were adding up the last minute goals.

Skrtel against Arsenal in the 97th minute to draw level at 2-2.

That was fun.

Suarez in the 96th against Chelsea to go along with that one so, right after biting Ivanovic :P

Turtyturd

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Not a winner, but popped into my head when people were adding up the last minute goals.

Skrtel against Arsenal in the 97th minute to draw level at 2-2.

That was fun.

Same with the Kuyt penalty. Love Kenny's reaction to Wenger being Wenger.

mormank

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Was he not on his way down already though by the time his heel brushed Delaney's knee?

I really think it was a dive. But look, players do it all the time.

No, he was not.

corwill

Turtyturd wrote: »

Good ol' Asinine Whinger.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Turtyturd wrote: »

Same with the Kuyt penalty. Love Kenny's reaction to Wenger being Wenger.

Turtyporn...

mormank

garra wrote: »

Glad he scored and I hope he increases his value for the club before the end of the season, but he scared the bejaysus out of me with that stunted run-up boll1x. For me that's a 50:50 peno, goalie guesses right and he reaches it easily.

I really miss the way Gerrard would just storm up to ball and blast it into one corner or the other. Before he took it you knew he was going to score unless the goalie made an absolutely astonishing save.

The whole point of the stutter penalty is that you try to make the goalie move one side before you hit it and you slot it in the other side. Not 50/50 at all. On the occasions where the goalie doesn't move early, like Caballero against Coutinho last sunday, then maybe it is 50/50 but that is a small portion of the time tbh.

BullBlackNova

On Benteke...

(and ignoring the debate about the penalty because it doesn't matter what sort of consensus we reach - it happened)

His league goals have now earned us 9 points this season.

One each against Bournemouth (1-0), Southampton (1-1), Leicester (1-0), Sunderland (1-0) and Palace (2-1).

Turned 1 point into 3 on 4 occasions, and 0 into 1 once. He also scored in the 3-1 win over Chelsea and the 3-1 defeat to United, as well as the winner against Bordeaux in the Europa.

I just thought it was an interesting spin for a player who has justifiably been criticised as the wrong instrument, ineffective, lacking effort, etc this season.

Naturally, we will feel we should have gotten more from a player who cost so much and wasn't settling into a new league, but there certainly are some positives to his time here.

It's never as simple as this - but without those 9 points, Liverpool would have the same number of points as Bournemouth...

mormank

MD1990 wrote: »

But Firmino is a flop & Sanchez is the best player in the PL:rolleyes:

Just another example of how unreliable stats can be in an argument. Sanchez is obviously the better player.

OwaynOTT

mormank wrote: »

Just another example of how unreliable stats can be in an argument. Sanchez is obviously the better player.

Ya but how many of Firminio's came against city when we were all ready hammering them :pac:

BorneTobyWilde

Firmino is not on fire at all.
He has good stats but not setting the pitch alight.

magma69

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Firmino is not on fire at all.
He has good stats but not setting the pitch alight.

Isn't that a good thing though? The idea that he's getting a lot of goals and assists with still the potential to do a lot more on the pitch is really encouraging. He's really kicked on as a player in 2016. I'm delighted for him.

mormank

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Firmino is not on fire at all.
He has good stats but not setting the pitch alight.

Anyone with eyes who has been watching the actual games, not the highlights of games, can see that Firmino has not been amazing for us. Just like people always go over the top with criticising players saying they are absolute rubbish, alot of people go over the top praising players. I have high hopes for Firmino but realistically he doesn't influence a game anywhere near enough at the moment but he is certainly coming along nicely in his first season.

mosstin

Absolutely amazed/amused by the huge controversy surrounding yesterday's pen. Last minute, all Delaney needs to do is to shepherd Benteke out and the game's done and dusted. He doesn't, there's contact and Beneteke goes down. Penalty.
There are a few scores being settled today. That John Cross though. Utter pillock*.



*allegedly

Harry Palmr

Harry Palmr wrote: »

U21s Starting XI vs Middlesbrough: Ward; McLaughlin, Brewitt, Maguire, Smith; Chirivella, O'Hanlon; Kent, M Gomes, Ojo; Sinclair (twitter.com)

Firth, Whelan, Polgar, Hart, Trickett-Smith

Its on the telly if you have a sub

FT Boro 2 - 3 Liverpool Ojo '33 '52 '87 (peno)

Great game, very open full of attacking intent from both sides. The good news for Liverpool was that both goals conceded goals were "outliers" - Ward with a rare error and a peno that was softer than Bentekes. In open play it was good stuff really, Ojo had the Boro right back on toast for 80 odd minutes until he moved to the right side where he was just as effective - his close control is lovely to watch. Sinclair worked much harder than someone who is agitating to leave. In the engine room Chirivella and O'Hanlon were both excellent - no fuss they just got on with interceptions, recycling
and passing forward. Both the full backs did well getting forwards while the centre backs were solid when called upon.

NukaCola

Very happy with Firmino........he has shown that he possesses real quality, even when things aren't going well for him you can see he's trying creative things......he goes missing in games a bit too often but if he can keep improving he may prove a bargain....

BullBlackNova

I get the criticism about Firmino - he does disappear sometimes - but what do people expect really?

He is still new in the country. Despite this being a transitional season where we have had two managers, he has had a pile of different positions and tactical set-ups, he has still been pretty effective. 7 goals and 4 assists since Christmas shows a real upturn in his form too which is definitely encouraging.

I mean, what more do people want from him this season? Sure, Sanchez and Di Maria hit the ground running, but one has faded this season, the other did after just a few months. Plus they both arrived with bigger reputations, transfer fees and more experience...

I'll put it this way, I'm much happier with Firmino (despite a handful of issues) than I am with Coutinho and Lallana. Or Milner. Or Henderson.

NukaCola

Would like to see Ojo get more game time or at least a few spots on the bench.......any reason why he's not getting more of a look in? Done well for the very limited time he was given.....and done well in his loan spells by all accounts too...

mav79

I think we will have to get used to inconsistent performances from Firmino until we improve our CM's. For 60 minutes against Palace we completely bypassed himself and Lallana by hitting it long to Origi. This happens whenever we play against teams that harry and press us.

SlickRic

Did anyone else see this?

It gave me a smile on a dreary Monday. The fúcking state of this lot.

During the Premier League game on Sunday 6th March 2016 between Crystal Palace and Liverpool in the 94th minute Liverpool player Christian Benteke DIVED to con the refereeing officials to award Liverpool with a penalty which subsequently won them the game.

According to the football association or "FA" diving or "simulation" is against the rules.

We, fans of Crystal Palace, demand that the FA look into this decision and if found that Christian Benteke did simulate contact he should be banned for a number of games and Liverpool Football Club "LFC" to be fined 6 points at a minimum.

We understand that the result of the game cannot be changed but the FA need to come down on this sort of behaviour.

https://www.change.org/p/football-assosiation-ban-christian-benteke-and-fine-liverpool-fc-6-points

corwill

BullBlackNova wrote: »

I get the criticism about Firmino - he does disappear sometimes - but what do people expect really?

He is still new in the country. Despite this being a transitional season where we have had two managers, he has had a pile of different positions and tactical set-ups, he has still been pretty effective. 7 goals and 4 assists since Christmas shows a real upturn in his form too which is definitely encouraging.

I mean, what more do people want from him this season? Sure, Sanchez and Di Maria hit the ground running, but one has faded this season, the other did after just a few months. Plus they both arrived with bigger reputations, transfer fees and more experience...

I'll put it this way, I'm much happier with Firmino (despite a handful of issues) than I am with Coutinho and Lallana. Or Milner. Or Henderson.

Even when he was annoying the piss out of me, I thought it was plain as day that playing him wide the way Rodgers did was pure square-peg/round-hole stuff. He and Benteke just didn't work together at all, but it's hard to know who or what is going to work with Benteke at this stage. When they were both on the pitch at the same time, it was largely a mess, with Coutinho and Lallana crowding the 10 space, and Benteke at 9, there was pretty much nowhere on the pitch for Firmino to be at all effective.

I didn't think his heart was at all in it when he was played wide, though. I know players have their favoured position, but there seems to be an increasing unwillingness of late to do the job one is given, rather than the one a player would prefer.

corwill

SlickRic wrote: »

Did anyone else see this?

It gave me a smile on a dreary Monday. The fúcking state of this lot.



https://www.change.org/p/football-assosiation-ban-christian-benteke-and-fine-liverpool-fc-6-points

Turtyturd

500+ signatures, t'was only on 80 odd when I signed it.

mosstin

Turtyturd wrote: »

500+ signatures, t'was only on 80 odd when I signed it.

That John Cross signed the petition this morning. By this afternoon he'd written an article criticising himself for doing so.

Turtyturd

mosstin wrote: »

That John Cross signed the petition this morning. By this afternoon he'd written an article criticising himself for doing so.

Only thing worse than a clown is a spineless clown. Looking at the picture you can clearly see there was no contact. I stand by my comments and the fact that I signed it.

Harry Palmr

I signed it under a nom de plume

djPSB

BullBlackNova wrote: »

On Benteke...

(and ignoring the debate about the penalty because it doesn't matter what sort of consensus we reach - it happened)

His league goals have now earned us 9 points this season.

One each against Bournemouth (1-0), Southampton (1-1), Leicester (1-0), Sunderland (1-0) and Palace (2-1).

Turned 1 point into 3 on 4 occasions, and 0 into 1 once. He also scored in the 3-1 win over Chelsea and the 3-1 defeat to United, as well as the winner against Bordeaux in the Europa.

I just thought it was an interesting spin for a player who has justifiably been criticised as the wrong instrument, ineffective, lacking effort, etc this season.

Naturally, we will feel we should have gotten more from a player who cost so much and wasn't settling into a new league, but there certainly are some positives to his time here.

It's never as simple as this - but without those 9 points, Liverpool would have the same number of points as Bournemouth...

Can someone do up a pictorial of Benteke v Sanchez stats.

K-9

mormank wrote: »

Just another example of how unreliable stats can be in an argument. Sanchez is obviously the better player.

Ah yeah, don't go in for these comparisons much myself either.

Firmino has 8 goals and 4 assists in 2016, more than any other player in total. Those stats stand by themselves and don't need any comparing mickey size stuff.

My first proper memory of Liverpool was 84 against Roma. The Merseyside derby Cup Finals the fondest around that time. 89 was a cracking match.

K-9

Payet drifts in and out of games, so does Mahrez, wouldn't worry about it too much. Firmino puts in a shift off the ball when we think he has gone missing.

Knex*

I signed it as "Alan Parteke". They'll never catch me.

~Rebel~

What I reaallly love about Firmino though, is how aware he always is. Every time an opposition player takes a bad touch, or makes a bad pass, he's the one that latches onto it and instantly drives forward, punishing teams. He's done it a bunch of times already this season, crafting chances from mistakes as far away as the halfway line.

It was shocking stuff by the keeper on Sunday, but the ball was still smashed at Firmino from a close distance. A lot of players would have had an awkward touch or just got something on it because they weren't expecting it, but immediately, from his first touch he was driving at goal. Can't underestimate that kind of awareness in key moments.

Turtyturd

~Rebel~ wrote: »

What I reaallly love about Firmino though, is how aware he always is. Every time an opposition player takes a bad touch, or makes a bad pass, he's the one that latches onto it and instantly drives forward, punishing teams. He's done it a bunch of times already this season, crafting chances from mistakes as far away as the halfway line.

It was shocking stuff by the keeper on Sunday, but the ball was still smashed at Firmino from a close distance. A lot of players would have had an awkward touch or just got something on it because they weren't expecting it, but immediately, from his first touch he was driving at goal. Can't underestimate that kind of awareness in key moments.

Yep, at least 2 goals have come from nothing after he blocked a routine clearance from a defender. 1 was Lallana against Sunderland, can't remember the other one.

hefferboi

gucci wrote: »

Neil Mellor smasher V Arsenal? November 2004...absolute cracker!!

Serious goal, I was the ripe old age of 13!

Liam O

Firmino is a very good player. Anyone calling him a flop is clueless. Though the first I've really heard about him being a flop is that post above comparing him to Sanchez.

Fwiw I'd have him closer to Sanchez than Coutinho is to Ozil.

5starpool

Speaking of late winners, in my head the one Suarez got at Goodison that was wrongly flagged offside still counts. Grrr.

Buford T. Justice XIX

SlickRic wrote: »

Did anyone else see this?

It gave me a smile on a dreary Monday. The fúcking state of this lot.



https://www.change.org/p/football-assosiation-ban-christian-benteke-and-fine-liverpool-fc-6-points

https://www.change.org/p/football-coat-association-ban-alan-pardew-and-fine-crystal-palace-fc-6-jackets?recruiter=28751761&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

Football coat association - Ban Alan Pardew and fine Crystal Palace FC 6 jackets.

Knex*

Atmosphere in Anfield, and the PL as a whole, gets brought up a lot. Lyon moved to a new stadium in January, and are undefeated in 6 games (5 wins, 1 draw).

Absolutely incredible atmosphere generated in every game there. Would love to see the likes of that back in England. Here's hoping the new stand can help produce a similar boost.

Sample vid of it against PSG last week:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uIuc1QZ7OE

NukaCola

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

https://www.change.org/p/football-coat-association-ban-alan-pardew-and-fine-crystal-palace-fc-6-jackets?recruiter=28751761&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=copylink

Football coat association - Ban Alan Pardew and fine Crystal Palace FC 6 jackets.

Some comments are funny......

"I can honestly say Pardew didn't make contact with his coat today and IF there was slight contact he didn't impede his coat."

Damien Delany.

Riesen_Meal

Suarez in Melwood hanging out with Sakho and the lads - from Sakhos FB page :

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153486144513581&id=182623623580&fs=5

No tears now Fieldog, your better than this...

x43r0

Fieldog wrote: »

Suarez in Melwood hanging out with Sakho and the lads - from Sakhos FB page :

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10153486144513581&id=182623623580&fs=5

No tears now Fieldog, your better than this...

What would Suarez even be doing in Liverpool on a random Tuesday morning?

Riesen_Meal

x43r0 wrote: »

What would Suarez even be doing in Liverpool on a random Tuesday morning?

Probably signing jerseys for the new lads, lol

Contract and royalty stuff still on the go I'd say?

Kimbot

Suarez only popped in for a bite to eat

MD1990

Anyone think having an article on the Liverpool website that Suarez is at Melwood is a bit much. Incredible player but maybe we should move on. He is gone nearly 2 years now.

ricero

Lock him in a room and dont let him leave

Harry Palmr

MD1990 wrote: »

Anyone think having an article on the Liverpool website that Suarez is at Melwood is a bit much. Incredible player but maybe we should move on. He is gone nearly 2 years now.

I'm sat on my hands in agreement.

Riesen_Meal

MD1990 wrote: »

Anyone think having an article on the Liverpool website that Suarez is at Melwood is a bit much. Incredible player but maybe we should move on. He is gone nearly 2 years now.

He always has a place here in everyone's hearts, we only want to see him do well....

He can come back anytime... (he gets a pain in his hole with Messi!)

bur

MD1990 wrote: »

Anyone think having an article on the Liverpool website that Suarez is at Melwood is a bit much. Incredible player but maybe we should move on. He is gone nearly 2 years now.

Think it's great motivation for all our players, play well enough and maybe one day they can play for Barca too.