Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 15/16

Buford T. Justice XIX

I miss Luis even more:(:(

kingshankly

We should over Stoke an offer the can't refuse for jack butland
There's no way we can start the season with mig as number one

rob316

Ya know we can analyse the defending and goalkeeper all we want, fact is we lack a fit decent striker. Sturridge or someone like him was starting today, with the chances we created and space the game is in the bag by HT even with De Gea in goal. This urgently needs to be addressed, above anything else.

We have enough OK CB's but our striking options are so poor.

Demosthenese

If we'd scored from a decent move like say Hendos chance we'd all be sitting here saying it was a great performance and fully deserving of the win.

Instead we were toothless when it mattered and conceded from our their only attack on goal.

.... Hence roll out the doomsday know it alls... He's ****e. He offers nothing. His price tag is heavy. And all other meaningless clichés.

Grow up lads.

rob316

Demosthenese wrote: »

If we'd scored from a decent move like say Hendos chance we'd all be sitting here saying it was a great performance and fully deserving of the win.

Instead we were toothless when it mattered and conceded from our their only attack on goal.

.... Hence roll out the doomsday know it alls... He's ****e. He offers nothing. His price tag is heavy. And all other meaningless clichés.

Grow up lads.

I agree but it doesn't take this game to form an opinion on how useless/ineffective Lallana and Benteke are.

Demosthenese

rob316 wrote: »

I agree but it doesn't take this game to form an opinion on how useless/ineffective Lallana and Benteke are.

It'll be brutally obvious what klopp needs to do by the time the season ends. Not a lot we can do now we've laid out bed for this season long before he arrived.

I'd just rather try enjoy a few games.... And I enjoyed today at times.... Than react furiously everytime we lose a game. We all should be well used to it by now. At least unlike the last 3 times we turned up to play.

slingerz

mav79 wrote: »

Still thinking this after today?! And our striking options!

slingerz

Liverpool need a new spine of the team with the new arrivals being leaders

A new GK, CB, CM, ST. Perhaps 2 CB and 2 CM. Those that believe Sakho/Can are good enough to be first team starters week in week out are deluded.

The likes of Henderson, Coutinho, Clyne are additions to a solid spine.

The money that's been wasted has been criminal too. It's actually better for Liverpool to not get into the CL/EL as they are so far off it.

FSG need to spend and spend big in the next couple of windows to bring Liverpool back to where they need to be. I wouldn't be betting on that happening though

Pyjamarama

slingerz wrote: »

Still thinking this after today?! And our striking options!

Was that about Ade? Cause if it was then it stands...

SlickRic

slingerz wrote: »

The money that's been wasted has been criminal too. It's actually better for Liverpool to not get into the CL/EL as they are so far off it.

£300m since Rodgers took over. I read that today.

An absolute disgrace.

MightyMandarin

slingerz wrote: »

Still thinking this after today?! And our striking options!

You couldn't pay us enough to take him.

citytillidie

Well that was a bad trip , again their keeper keeps them in it, and well Liverpool can't defend.

redzerdrog

De Gea, Cech and Butland all showed today how valuable a decent keeper is by keeping their sides in todays games.

A good keeper earns their teams points whereas we have one that regularly costs us points and what is seen as a good game for Mignolet is if he doesn't make an absolute howler

Pyjamarama

citytillidie wrote: »

Well that was a bad trip , again their keeper keeps them in it, and well Liverpool can't defend.

Set pieces. We defended really well in open play today.

prettyboy81

Depressing!

Gbear

Blah blah, rabble rabble, bollocks bollocks.

I must've missed the part where all the other teams in the league have £50m players in every position (City notwithstanding).

1 Ings level striker and we'd be in and around top 4. That's not much to ask for.
1 Sturridge level striker and we'd be comfortably top 4 this season.

It's truly embarrassing how undervalued many of our players are by some of our own fans.
Or maybe it's a question of overrating other teams players, or being exposed to the likes of Real and Barca as your only other source of regular football and thinking that that's the standard we should be aiming for (and also, being deluded into thinking that the sun shines out each and everyone one of their players' arses despite the fact that they too are routinely saved by a very select group of players like Suarez, Neymar, Bale and Ronaldo).

Just because you can nit-pick players as not being literally the best player in their position in the league doesn't mean they could or should be replaced.

Nobody in our squad is anything like poor enough to be a disgrace to the shirt or not good enough for the club.
It's not about the player that are here. It's about the players that aren't.

We do not have the 1 or 2 seriously brilliant players (particularly goalscorers) that you need to be serious contenders.

The way some clowns go on it's a wonder we're not getting relegated.
If we were as bad as a lot of you say, then you'd think that having nearly the worst injury record in the league would have us a bit further down the league, no?
If we're utter ****, and all of our squad are injured, to the point where we have 1 fit CF, then presumably the U14s that are left are a cut above...:rolleyes:

Agent Coulson

SlickRic wrote: »

£300m since Rodgers took over. I read that today.

An absolute disgrace.

The highlighted are the only ones I would keep although I would give Markovic a fair run next season and I don't think Sturridge will ever get to full fitness again.

2012-13
Fabio Borini: £10.4m
Joe Allen: £15m
Oussama Assaidi: £3m
Samed Yesil: £1m
Daniel Sturridge: £12m
Philippe Coutinho: £8.5m

2013-14
Luis Alberto: £6.8m
Iago Aspas: £7m
Simon Mignolet: £9m
Mamadou Sakho: £15m
Tiago Ilori: £7m

2014-15
Rickie Lambert: £4.5m
Adam Lallana: £25m
Emre Can: £9.75m
Lazar Markovic: £19.8m
Dejan Lovren: £20m
Divock Origi: £9.8m
Alberto Moreno: £12m
Mario Balotelli: £16m

2015-16
Joe Gomez: £6m
Nathaniel Clyne: £12.5m
Roberto Firmino: £29m
Christian Benteke: £32.5m
Ings £?

TOTAL: £291.55m

Pyjamarama

Gbear wrote: »

Blah blah, rabble rabble, bollocks bollocks.

I must've missed the part where all the other teams in the league have £50m players in every position (City notwithstanding).

1 Ings level striker and we'd be in and around top 4. That's not much to ask for.
1 Sturridge level striker and we'd be comfortably top 4 this season.

It's truly embarrassing how undervalued many of our players are by some of our own fans.
Or maybe it's a question of overrating other teams players, or being exposed to the likes of Real and Barca as your only other source of regular football and thinking that that's the standard we should be aiming for (and also, being deluded into thinking that the sun shines out each and everyone one of their players' arses despite the fact that they too are routinely saved by a very select group of players like Suarez, Neymar, Bale and Ronaldo).

Just because you can nit-pick players as not being literally the best player in their position in the league doesn't mean they could or should be replaced.

Nobody in our squad is anything like poor enough to be a disgrace to the shirt or not good enough for the club.
It's not about the player that are here. It's about the players that aren't.

We do not have the 1 or 2 seriously brilliant players (particularly goalscorers) that you need to be serious contenders.

The way some clowns go on it's a wonder we're not getting relegated.
If we were as bad as a lot of you say, then you'd think that having nearly the worst injury record in the league would have us a bit further down the league, no?
If we're utter ****, and all of our squad are injured, to the point where we have 1 fit CF, then presumably the U14s that are left are a cut above...:rolleyes:

Boom. Nail on the head. Never going to have a team of world beaters. You don't need it either, add one or two top class players (sanchez, Ozil, Silva, Aguero) and we'd shoot up. If Spurs had the injuries we have and we had the run of luck on that front they have we'd switch places imo.

BorneTobyWilde

We defend the man and then the ball
I hate that
Should be defending the ball when it's there to be won
Worry about them man later, clear the ball first.

This thing of pulling and dragging out of a man at corners while paying no attention to the ball is silly, because the man you are pulling and dragging out of only has eyes for the ball, and he will always steal a march on you as he is looking at flight of ball.
I would simply push off the man, go fucck off and concentrate on winning and attacking that ball when it's played in. It's a bit zonal .

Pyjamarama

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The highlighted are the only ones I would keep although I would give Markovic a fair run next season and I don't think Sturridge will ever get to full fitness again.

2012-13
Fabio Borini: £10.4m
Joe Allen: £15m
Oussama Assaidi: £3m
Samed Yesil: £1m
Daniel Sturridge: £12m
Philippe Coutinho: £8.5m

2013-14
Luis Alberto: £6.8m
Iago Aspas: £7m
Simon Mignolet: £9m
Mamadou Sakho: £15m
Tiago Ilori: £7m

2014-15
Rickie Lambert: £4.5m
Adam Lallana: £25m
Emre Can: £9.75m
Lazar Markovic: £19.8m
Dejan Lovren: £20m
Divock Origi: £9.8m
Alberto Moreno: £12m
Mario Balotelli: £16m

2015-16
Joe Gomez: £6m
Nathaniel Clyne: £12.5m
Roberto Firmino: £29m
Christian Benteke: £32.5m

TOTAL: £291.55m

Unrealistic to get rid of that many players. Why not live in reality and contemplate what might actually happen instead of living in a fantasy land where we bring in 14 world class players...

Why anyone would want a good squad player like Joe Allen replaced is beyond me. If he was starting every week then fine but as a player to come in and do a job he's as good as we can aim for imo. Even if we bring in another cb i'd hold on to Lovren. We can't afford to buy 2.

BorneTobyWilde

NukaCola wrote: »

I never heard that he said he was ready 4 weeks ago?

He twitted
''Perfect gift for Christmas from the boys getting a win. On a sidenote I'm back training and good to go!!''

Klopp set him straight though. No games, continue to train regardless of fact you're not injured''

At least it's how I saw it.

Is he injured now
I have no idea.

citytillidie

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mav79

slingerz wrote: »

Still thinking this after today?! And our striking options!

All day long .
He is the opposite to what we need, we are lacking pace, someone to play on the shoulder of defenders that has a good work rate, to close players down from the front.
I seriously thought you were taking the piss with that suggestion

Tusky

Am I the only one who thought it was a decent performance today? We were toothless up front but I thought we passed the ball well and there was great intensity throughout the team.

There just isn't enough goals in the team. I'd be happy if Lallana never played for the club again - he's part of a front three but when was the last time he scored? He must be the least threatening attacking player in the league. Check his stats here: http://www.espnfc.us/player/85472/adam-lallana

We defended pretty well throughout, apart from the goal which was awful. Four players sucked into the ball leaving Rooney free. And then Mignolet decided to drop to the ground for no apparent reason.

It's a hard result to swallow as we were by far the better team. We can safely say that fourth is definitely not going to happen now anyway.

Vicxas

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

He twitted
''Perfect gift for Christmas from the boys getting a win. On a sidenote I'm back training and good to go!!''

Klopp set him straight though. No games, continue to train regardless of fact you're not injured''

At least it's how I saw it.

Is he injured now
I have no idea.

I think Klopp is sick of the injuries. In one of the pre match games he was asked if Sturridge is fit, he flat out said no. If be knew when he'd be back he just said no.

Im not sure if Sturridge is actually injured or if its a mental block. Has anyone ever been this unfortunate with injuries?

mav79

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Set pieces. We defended really well in open play today.

I thought this too, Toure and Sakho along with Lucas did pretty well today apart from when four players went for the same ball for their goal.

Harry Palmr

Klopps post match press conference was rather disquieting with regard to the striker obfuscation on his part.

citytillidie

Sitting behind the Sky camera you can see how live it is.

One stage Klopp was on the tv giving an Interview while on the pitch

B17G

SlickRic wrote: »

£300m since Rodgers took over. I read that today.

An absolute disgrace.

If it's accurate, lfchistory.net provides a breakdown under BR.

Spent: £292,050,000

http://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/25-1

Earned on sales: £200,720,000

http://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/25-0

Harry Palmr

net spend is pretty decent then!

Kerrigooney

Agent Coulson wrote: »

The highlighted are the only ones I would keep although I would give Markovic a fair run next season and I don't think Sturridge will ever get to full fitness again.

2012-13
Fabio Borini: £10.4m
Joe Allen: £15m
Oussama Assaidi: £3m
Samed Yesil: £1m
Daniel Sturridge: £12m
Philippe Coutinho: £8.5m

2013-14
Luis Alberto: £6.8m
Iago Aspas: £7m
Simon Mignolet: £9m
Mamadou Sakho: £15m
Tiago Ilori: £7m

2014-15
Rickie Lambert: £4.5m
Adam Lallana: £25m
Emre Can: £9.75m
Lazar Markovic: £19.8m
Dejan Lovren: £20m
Divock Origi: £9.8m
Alberto Moreno: £12m
Mario Balotelli: £16m

2015-16
Joe Gomez: £6m
Nathaniel Clyne: £12.5m
Roberto Firmino: £29m
Christian Benteke: £32.5m
Ings £?

TOTAL: £291.55m

I'd agree with that apart from Joe Allen cos as everyone knows,I love him.

NukaCola

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I'd agree with that apart from Joe Allen cos as everyone knows,I love him.

I'd also keep Mignolet as backup even though i hate him......i'd keep Lovren/Lallana/Markovic also as squad players even though I dont particularly like them either.

MightyMandarin

Vicxas wrote: »

I think Klopp is sick of the injuries. In one of the pre match games he was asked if Sturridge is fit, he flat out said no. If be knew when he'd be back he just said no.

Im not sure if Sturridge is actually injured or if its a mental block. Has anyone ever been this unfortunate with injuries?

I'm probably being a bit mean saying this, but how can anyone be as injury-prone as Sturridge is? It's an absolute disgrace at this stage and while it's probably fairer to feel sorry for him, I can't help but think he's just a lazy ****e.

Klopp said in one of the conferences that he needs to distinguish different types of pain and he's spot on. Athletes are rarely, if ever, 100% injury free and even then there's loads of examples of them playing through pain because they want to win so bad.

It's getting to that stage now where I'd tell him to man the f*ck up and play. He's probably the most frustrating player in the squad.

NukaCola

Harry Palmr wrote: »

net spend is pretty decent then!

BR built a new squad basically with a decent net spend, it just lacks quality IMO.

Add 3/4 quality players and not rely so much on average players for goals and Klopps job gets a bit easier.

Agent Coulson

Kerrigooney wrote: »

I'd agree with that apart from Joe Allen cos as everyone knows,I love him.

His contract is coming to an end 1 year left and I can see wanting to be more than a squad player and he is better than that just not good enough for what we need as a first choice starter week in week out.

I will wish him well when he does leave.

mav79

MightyMandarin wrote: »

I'm probably being a bit mean saying this, but how can anyone be as injury-prone as Sturridge is? It's an absolute disgrace at this stage and while it's probably fairer to feel sorry for him, I can't help but think he's just a lazy ****e.

Klopp said in one of the conferences that he needs to distinguish different types of pain and he's spot on. Athletes are rarely, if ever, 100% injury free and even then there's loads of examples of them playing through pain because they want to win so bad.

It's getting to that stage now where I'd tell him to man the f*ck up and play. He's probably the most frustrating player in the squad.

It's only frustrating because he is by far our best attacker, you don't hear as many people complain about Rossiters injuries because they have not affected the first team. Sturridge is not the problem imo, the club are at fault for not having an adequate back-up, its not like Sturridges injuries are a new thing. Do we sell Ings and Origi for missing more games than they have played? If we bought a top striker that suited the way the team plays instead of the likes of Balotelli, Lambert and Benteke, we would not have to worry about how fit Sturridge is.

Pyjamarama

Agent Coulson wrote: »

His contract is coming to an end 1 year left and I can see wanting to be more than a squad player and he is better than that just not good enough for what we need as a first choice starter week in week out.

I will wish him well when he does leave.

I think he'd stick around as a squad player and i'd defo give him a new contract. He's played pretty well every chance he's gotten this year. Would like to see him against Exeter.

Agent Coulson

Pyjamarama wrote: »

I think he'd stick around as a squad player and i'd defo give him a new contract. He's played pretty well every chance he's gotten this year. Would like to see him against Exeter.

I'd have him in the team over Lallana week in week out. I do think he would want more the squad football at his age and if Swansea stay up I could see him heading back there in the summer.

BorneTobyWilde

MOTD was fun
It was like a Liverpool tribute video
All Liverpool chance after chance

Liam McPoyle

Harry Palmr wrote: »

net spend is pretty decent then!

Not if you take Sterlings and Suarez out of the equation, neither were BR signings iirc.

Ye are missing a couple of players atm, look at the squad Chelsea have and the position they are in.

Ye need a keeper, a centre half and a striker, maybe a winger. Sturridge when fit is fantastic but that's the problem with him and if ye can cut yer losses then Ye should get rid, I reckon Klopp has twigged that already.

I said it when Klopp took over, there is the guts of a decent team there but it will take time for Klopp to redress the balance.

BorneTobyWilde

Klopp is right, poor decisions in the final third
Henderson guilty twice
Simple pass to Can to score, he shoot wide.
Simple pass to put Milner in, shoots straight at keeper/

Harry Palmr

Business Cat wrote: »

Not if you take Sterlings and Suarez out of the equation, neither were BR signings iirc.

Ye are missing a couple of players atm, look at the squad Chelsea have and the position they are in.

Ye need a keeper, a centre half and a striker, maybe a winger. Sturridge when fit is fantastic but that's the problem with him and if ye can cut yer losses then Ye should get rid, I reckon Klopp has twigged that already.

I said it when Klopp took over, there is the guts of a decent team there but it will take time for Klopp to redress the balance.

You're not familiar with our net spend trope I take it?

We all know what we need - a functioning keeper and striker. Sturridge or Origi combined with Firmino would have shredded Utd's back line today....alas....

Still the good news is that van Gaal is safe in his job for the rest of the season after today

I'd say we shall be seeing Ward get some time between the sticks starting on Wed, couldn't really land him into a debut v Man Utd imo.

If he plays well on Wed you never know

slingerz

Pyjamarama wrote: »

I think he'd stick around as a squad player and i'd defo give him a new contract. He's played pretty well every chance he's gotten this year. Would like to see him against Exeter.

Our centre mids are Henderson, Lucas, Can, Allen, Milner. It's an area that needs improving so who's are the bottom of that list to drop out?

Same goes for centre backs. Skrtel, Lovren, Sakho, Toure. Who goes along with Kolo? IMO the 4 of them are not good enough

StringerBell

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Still the good news is that van Gaal is safe in his job for the rest of the season after today

We should never forget what is most important to Liverpool fans I suppose

theoneeyedman

Augeo wrote: »

I'd say we shall be seeing Ward get some time between the sticks starting on Wed, couldn't really land him into a debut v Man Utd imo.

If he plays well on Wed you never know

Don't think he's eligible, as he wasn't at the club for drawn game, but could be wrong on that.
LOL at mignolet for goal today... ON his hole twice and nowhere near getting to the ball..... wouldn't stop cows.

TitianGerm

Anyone at the game today ? How's the building work going?

I have to say the pitch looked even worse than more today.

Liam McPoyle

Harry Palmr wrote: »

You're not familiar with our net spend trope I take it?

We all know what we need - a functioning keeper and striker. Sturridge or Origi combined with Firmino would have shredded Utd's back line today....alas....

Still the good news is that van Gaal is safe in his job for the rest of the season after today

In joke re net spend I presume?

/whoosh

Aye, it's unlikely we are going to see him go, at least until 4th is mathematically impossible. Tbh id be very surprised if we do get top 4. Leicester are still tipping away, Spurs are playing good stuff too, it's gonna take a massive upswing in our performances and a drop in those above, one may be possible but both, I'm not so sure. Anyway, I will leave it there, wrong thread etc.

citytillidie

emmetkenny wrote: »

Anyone at the game today ? How's the building work going?

I have to say the pitch looked even worse than more today.

See post 1573

Pyjamarama

Agent Coulson wrote: »

His contract is coming to an end 1 year left and I can see wanting to be more than a squad player and he is better than that just not good enough for what we need as a first choice starter week in week out.

I will wish him well when he does leave.

slingerz wrote: »

Our centre mids are Henderson, Lucas, Can, Allen, Milner. It's an area that needs improving so who's are the bottom of that list to drop out?

Same goes for centre backs. Skrtel, Lovren, Sakho, Toure. Who goes along with Kolo? IMO the 4 of them are not good enough

Our mids are ok. Nothing special (bar maybe Can in time) and i'd LOVE a top level player there but we have more pressing needs. We really really really badly need a keeper and a winger. A striker as well realistically. For the cbs i'm happy with sakho, Lovren, Kolo and Gomez being the options next year. Ideal? Nope but we can't fix everything in one summer.