Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 15/16

Vicxas

Everyone is running with the Pato deal now.

5starpool

Vicxas wrote: »

Everyone is running with the Pato deal now.

Who is everyone?

I follow loads of Liverpool related journalists and commenters on twitter and see nothing about it. I see nothing on the couple of mainstream places I look either (Guardian and BBC usually unless linked elsewhere).

Vicxas

BBC had an article on facebook, i seen a few tweets knocking around too.


Not a lot, but its a definite surge of interest.

Francie Barrett

There seems to be a long running theme with Brazilian players. They turn up at a young age, are unbelievable for several years, then fizzle out well before they should be (Ronaldinho, Robinho, Pato, Adriano, Kaka, etc). What worries me most is that once they go into decline, they almost never come back. I'd love to be proven wrong by Pato, but the statistics suggest that his star has already shone.

rob316

It's still in the gossip columns unfortunately. Barrett or Pearce will shoot it down now that the tabloids are running it.

Francie Barrett

klose wrote: »

shelvey watch

http://twitter.com/HITCtopcorner/status/686235613775949825/video/1

Shelvey has this habit of scoring 1 or 2 cracking goals, or having a string of games in a season where he looks the real deal. For the most part though, he is very ordinary. What's mad though is that he is still only 23!

LuckyLloyd

Francie Barrett wrote: »

There seems to be a long running theme with Brazilian players. They turn up at a young age, are unbelievable for several years, then fizzle out well before they should be (Ronaldinho, Robinho, Pato, Adriano, Kaka, etc). What worries me most is that once they go into decline, they almost never come back. I'd love to be proven wrong by Pato, but the statistics suggest that his star has already shone.

If you conclude:

- that we need a body
- who isn't cup tied in any way
- who is mobile and can link up with the likes of Firminho, Coutinho
- who isn't standing in the box waiting for crosses from wingers we don't have
- is available for a relatively cheap fee

how bad an option might he be in a January transfer window?

MD1990

MD1990 wrote: »

Pato at 11m is a worth a risk. If he found 70% of his Milan form & kept his injury record from last 3 years he would be a very good signing. Could settle well with our other Brazilians. Not many strikers out there we can realisticaly target.

Yup, £11m is peanuts, a semi decent striker you'd imagine would thrive on what the set up behind him can supply should he play ball with them and vice versa.

I have no idea how his current from etc in Brazil translates though, presumably it's a on par / slightly lower than championship standard of league?

Knex*

~Rebel~ wrote: »

*ahem*

10x10=100
10+10+10=30

100-30=70

10+10+10+10=40
40/10=4

70+4=74

Jurgen's a genius - you can do anything with 10's!

I'm intrigued by the mind that goes about resolving something the sprung from the insanity that is OwaynOTT.

5starpool

Has anyone here seen Pato play lately? I haven't obviously, just wondering how he has performed other than just seeing bare stats. Is he still pacy? Does he get subbed a lot? easily bullied off the ball at all? The Brazilian league is pretty physical isn't it?

LuckyLloyd

5starpool wrote: »

Has anyone here seen Pato play lately? I haven't obviously, just wondering how he has performed other than just seeing bare stats. Is he still pacy? Does he get subbed a lot? easily bullied off the ball at all? The Brazilian league is pretty physical isn't it?

I watched a couple of youtube videos yesterday and he is still very mobile...the defending wasn't great for a number of the goals included mind but you can only beat what's put in front of you I suppose. In the past I've seen players go to Brazil and look out of shape plus not play a lot of games and you think 'past it'.

He's packing in the games and still looks in shape from what I've seen so. I don't know, we may be debating a move that has no chance in hell of happening. I wouldn't be disappointed to see it come to pass though I guess. I would say that if we're doing it we should do it quickly as his season ended in November and he'll require a few weeks to get in shape before he can be expected to contribute...

Agent Coulson

There really is no downside to getting Pato in to be honest £11m is a drop in the ocean when next seasons tv money kicks in and he won't be offered crazy wages.

A Tim Vickery piece on Pato from late last month.

http://www.espnfc.com/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2771656/will-pato-entice-premier-league-clubs-to-gamble-in-january

rob316

Just to point out too he has been playing as more of a winger in Brazil so a 1 in 3 goal return is pretty good.
From what I've seen is he is pacy and mobile still, as long as he has that coupled with the eye for goal that doesn't go away he's worth the chance.

It won't happen though I just know it.

Francie Barrett

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

If you conclude:

- that we need a body
- who isn't cup tied in any way
- who is mobile and can link up with the likes of Firminho, Coutinho
- who isn't standing in the box waiting for crosses from wingers we don't have
- is available for a relatively cheap fee

how bad an option might he be in a January transfer window?

Balotelli ticks a whole load of those boxes and look at how well he turned out? Quick fix solutions rarely work. If we can't get a proper quality replacement in, then I think we should look to recall Balotelli. The likes of Pato really should only be brought in as a last resort.

MD1990

Pato at Milan was lighting quick

Turtyturd

Knex. wrote: »

I'm intrigued by the mind that goes about resolving something the sprung from the insanity that is OwaynOTT.

I'm embarrassed that I spent about 5minutes trying after he posted it and could only manage 73.

Francie Barrett

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Balotelli ticks a whole load of those boxes and look at how well he turned out? Quick fix solutions rarely work. If we can't get a proper quality replacement in, then I think we should look to recall Balotelli. The likes of Pato really should only be brought in as a last resort.

The one he definitely doesn't tick though "who is mobile and can link up with the likes of Firminho, Coutinho "

Balotelli had his LFC chance and wasted it.

Francie Barrett

Could we not just spend a little more and get Lacazette? Lyon are broke and motivated to sell. None of the top teams have been willing to pull the trigger. His profile suggests he would be suited to a mobile front three where players often switch positions.

TitianGerm

Just on Pato here's my viewpoint.

At £11m in the PL you will be scraping the bottom of the barrel to get any striker in at that fee.

Transfer fees for PL proven players is gone ridiculous at the moment and will only rise higher in the future. Your 10m player from 5 years ago is now a £20/25m player. There is very little value left.

Pato himself did have an awful time with injuries during his time at Milan but he seems to be passed that stage now. He has a decent scoring record in Brazil now as well so hopefully if he does come he can stay around a 1 in 3 player.

Also with the Brazilian guys in the team already they can only help him settle much faster and the front three of Cout, Firminhio and Pato seems really strong on paper.

Another thing is I can't see him been on a big wedge of cash so we could tie him down to an improved contract for around £50k a week. Cheap enough if you ask me.

A few years ago before his injuries with Milan alot of the big teams in Europe would have been happy to have him in their teams.

I'd be happy to have him at the club now. He gives us another option for a small fee while three of our strikers are out injured.

Pato would be a good second striker for that money. His injuries have taken the edge from his pace but he will still be good.

TitianGerm

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Could we not just spend a little more and get Lacazette? Lyon are broke and motivated to sell. None of the top teams have been willing to pull the trigger. His profile suggests he would be suited to a mobile front three where players often switch positions.

I'd prefer to sign Lacazette, and I'd say most of us would, but the fee would be double if not more than Pato and he could be looking for wages 2/3 times that of Pato.

Maybe that money is just not there this January unfortunately.

Knex*

Just another point on Pato, he's played LW more so than striker for a while now.

Devilman40k

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Balotelli ticks a whole load of those boxes and look at how well he turned out? Quick fix solutions rarely work. If we can't get a proper quality replacement in, then I think we should look to recall Balotelli. The likes of Pato really should only be brought in as a last resort.

Considering how quickly Klopp recalled Ojo, Stewart , Kent and Ilori (and looks like recalling Ward now) from loan when injuries hit, 1 of 2 things is in play

a) he doesn't wan't Balotelli

or b) contractually we can't recall him from Milan

TitianGerm

Devilman40k wrote: »

Considering how quickly Klopp recalled Ojo, Stewart , Kent and Ilori (and looks like recalling Ward now) from loan when injuries hit, 1 of 2 things is in play

a) he doesn't wan't Balotelli

or b) contractually we can't recall him from Milan

I thought you couldn't recall European loanees ?

redzerdrog

emmetkenny wrote: »

I thought you couldn't recall European loanees ?

We can't

Agent Coulson

Balotelli has been out injured for the last two months anyway.

NukaCola

Francie Barrett wrote: »

If we can't get a proper quality replacement in, then I think we should look to recall Balotelli. The likes of Pato really should only be brought in as a last resort.

Balotelli is absolute poison. I really hope he never returns. I'd rather no striker than Mario. Absolute chancer.

Fool me once.......etc

I agree with your main point though, if we cant get a proper quality replacement I wouldn't be happy with buying another average to good quality striker.

Ings/Origi/Benteke have those boxes ticked.

jesus_thats_gre

MD1990 wrote: »

Pato at Milan was lighting quick

Nothing quite like a bit of pace!

Agent Coulson

Vietto now being linked.

It would seem we are on the look out for a striker of some sorts.

Knex*

I like Vietto a lot. Think he would fit in really well with us.

Harry Palmr

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Vietto now being linked.

It would seem we are on the look out for a striker of some sorts.

Now this is a transfer I could get behind - Torres/Sturridge attack style plus Suarez like dropping back ability.

marklazarcovic

Think klopp likes players who are not big stars but talented with something to prove,hungry players. Id agree with him

tok9

Where is this Pato talk coming from?

Not one journalist I follow has mentioned him once.

K-9

Nothing else to talk about transfer wise so twitter makes up its own stuff.

garra

marklazarcovic wrote: »

Think klopp likes players who are not big stars but talented with something to prove,hungry players. Id agree with him

Well that fits our profile very well, as we have not signed an already-established "star" player since... well I'm struggling here actually.. anyone help me out? (And don't tell me Torres & Suarez were big star players before we bought them!)

5starpool

tok9 wrote: »

Where is this Pato talk coming from?

Not one journalist I follow has mentioned him once.

It all lives in the gossip sections of papers/sites. I can't see it happening myself.

Ste-

garra wrote: »

Well that fits our profile very well, as we have not signed an already-established "star" player since... well I'm struggling here actually.. anyone help me out? (And don't tell me Torres & Suarez were big star players before we bought them!)

Andy Carro..... Haha couldn't finish that.

LuckyLloyd

tok9 wrote: »

Where is this Pato talk coming from?

Not one journalist I follow has mentioned him once.

So? We're just spitballing here. Is that not the point of Transfer Window related discussion?

Harry Palmr

garra wrote: »

Well that fits our profile very well, as we have not signed an already-established "star" player since... well I'm struggling here actually.. anyone help me out? (And don't tell me Torres & Suarez were big star players before we bought them!)

Define star. I've noted before that Liverpool make stars they don't sign them. Certainly signing established star players from top level leagues is very rare. Peter Beardsley - top player at Newcastle Utd and England regular. Paul Ince is another England regular, ex Utd and Milan, Jari Litmanen was the famous name who we got too late Robbie Keane (!), **** hot for Spurs and Ireland

Kimbot

Could be clever getting Pato in, next seasons attack would be Studge/Benteke/Ings/Pato/Origi with Mario sold etc.

marklazarcovic

garra wrote: »

Well that fits our profile very well, as we have not signed an already-established "star" player since... well I'm struggling here actually.. anyone help me out? (And don't tell me Torres & Suarez were big star players before we bought them!)

i mean players who have had a chance and for whatever reason went backwards,23-27 yrs old type players who didnt make it first go but are willing to do everything to succeed 2nd time around,would have learned from previous mistakes,..

a sturridge,bojan,shaquri type

corwill

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

So? We're just spitballing here. Is that not the point of Transfer Window related discussion?

Buford T. Justice XIX

Devilman40k wrote: »

Considering how quickly Klopp recalled Ojo, Stewart , Kent and Ilori (and looks like recalling Ward now) from loan when injuries hit, 1 of 2 things is in play

a) he doesn't wan't Balotelli

or b) contractually we can't recall him from Milan

Didn't Klopp say he wanted the younger players back at Liverpool so they could play and develop together rather than going on loan?

garra

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Define star. I've noted before that Liverpool make stars they don't sign them. Certainly signing established star players from top level leagues is very rare. Peter Beardsley - top player at Newcastle Utd and England regular. Paul Ince is another England regular, ex Utd and Milan, Jari Litmanen was the famous name who we got too late Robbie Keane (!), **** hot for Spurs and Ireland

Your truism checks out. Was thinking of Beardsely all right, fitting the bill of being a great player at the peak of his powers when he moved to us.
I like Klopp's approach of moulding raw material into great players/teams.. I don't think he will punt on star / marquee signings with their best work behind them, he is just not that bothered appeasing public opinion to do it. Add in the huge physical demands of playing for Klopp in the EPL and you can probably rule out players with chequered health history.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Southamptons U21 game against Liverpool will be streamed live tonight from 6.30.

Umaro

The Pato thing is his agent chancing his arm, hoping that anyone will take the punt and bring him back to Europe. Its remarkable that its been getting so much airtime here and on other forums.

I think it appeals to Liverpool fans because we're hopeless romantics (I'm trying not to use the word gullible here). Our recent success stories are where we've plucked talented guys out of bad situations (Coutinho - periphery player/Inter Milan desperate for money, Sturridge - wasn't getting picked/played out of position, Suarez - suspended for biting/Ajax fed up).

I'd love to see Pato make a comeback in Europe, but I don't think we're the right club to be putting our hopes on.

brevity

Klopp has rubbished the Pato rumours

https://twitter.com/pjoyceexpress/status/686563513649737729

Harry Palmr

Diversion tic-tactics.

OwaynOTT

Knex. wrote: »

I'm intrigued by the mind that goes about resolving something the sprung from the insanity that is OwaynOTT.

I think, I need a rebrand. Need to move away from this insane desperate thank whore personae.
A rebrand could get me the respect and adulation I deserve.
Also I've reported you for defamation of character.

Jesus Wept

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