Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 15/16

Pyjamarama

MD1990 wrote: »

It would be best for everyone if the club could somehow stop these transfer leaks.

What leaks? The leak that we made an actual bid? Pretty sure we can't control the agents or the other team involved. Nobody even knew we were looking at him til the bid was made. In a world with the amount of available info at our fingertips thats a good as we'll ever get imo.

corwill

MD1990 wrote: »

Teixeira deal well & truly dead now
https://twitter.com/MelissaReddy_/status/693005106757910528

Palkin clearly thinks Ayre is a fanny, and is treating him like one.

Might be right, too.

Knex*

I never have any confidence when it comes to dealing with Shaktar. Notoriously difficult. They have enough money that they don't need to sell, and with the amount of money in the PL, they have every right to demand ridiculous fees, really.

Sappy404

Nothing's changed IMO. The club were told £38m last week, now Shaktar have announced his buyout is £50m+. They're underlining that he's worth more than the asking price to try and make a deal.

It's like the RRP on SportsDirect. Except we're more likely to buy a few Slazenger polo shirts than a pair of Diesel jeans.

Sappy404

Nothing's changed IMO. The club were told £38m last week, now Shaktar have announced his buyout is £50m+. They're underlining that he's worth more than the asking price to try and make a deal.

It's like the RRP on SportsDirect. Except we're more likely to buy a few Slazenger polo shirts than a pair of Diesel jeans.

murpho999

corwill wrote: »

Palkin clearly thinks Ayre is a fanny, and is treating him like one.

Might be right, too.

Don't know how you conclude that but Ayre was right to walk away from this if the figures are correct.

Sappy404

murpho999 wrote: »

Don't know how you conclude that but Ayre was right to walk away from this if the figures are correct.

He'll be pilloried. Shaktar want £38m, we've offered £28m. Shaktar disclose his release clause as £53m to put the fairness of their asking price into context, and now LFC/Ayre looks stingy for not paying it.

In many ways this makes paying the asking price more palatable to the club. Instead of being bullied into paying the asking price in full, £10 more than our initial offer, Ayre would look shrewd for getting a player for £38m that has a 'list price' of £53m. What Shaktar have done makes any deal on their terms more likey, even if it means a deal happening of any kind might be less so.

sabat

£38m+ the money for selling a couple of squad players + a bit of the summer transfer kitty would put you in the market for a Lewandonski or Benzema in a few months time so I'd prefer if they just passed up on the deal which, looking at it objectively, is about as likely to be a spectacular failure as a success.

TitianGerm

sabat wrote: »

£38m+ the money for selling a couple of squad players + a bit of the summer transfer kitty would put you in the market for a Lewandonski or Benzema in a few months time so I'd prefer if they just passed up on the deal which, looking at it objectively, is about as likely to be a spectacular failure as a success.

I don't think you buy either of those two players for £38m. Combine that with the fact they are both a teir above Liverpool they would be very unlikely to join us.

Gbear

emmetkenny wrote: »

I don't think you buy either of those two players for £38m. Combine that with the fact they are both a teir above Liverpool they would be very unlikely to join us.

And one is probably going to prison.

DrumSteve

Sappy404 wrote: »

Nothing's changed IMO. The club were told £38m last week, now Shaktar have announced his buyout is £50m+. They're underlining that he's worth more than the asking price to try and make a deal.

It's like the RRP on SportsDirect. Except we're more likely to buy a few Slazenger polo shirts than a pair of Diesel jeans.

TBF though those Slazenger polos are quite nice.

kfallon

DrumSteve wrote: »

TBF though those Slazenger polos are quite nice.

They are in me hole, all those Slazenger/Dunlop/Lonsdale etc tat he sells on there is pure shíte!!

firemansam4

I like the way some people actually think these players are going to want to come and play for us. Reality is that these players are never going to come down to what our level is at the moment. The best hope we have is bagging the next Suarez, Teixeira might just be that, albeit a he'll of a risk at the asking price being quoted.

corwill

firemansam4 wrote: »

I like the way some people actually think these players are going to want to come and play for us. Reality is that these players are never going to come down to what our level is at the moment. The best hope we have is bagging the next Suarez, Teixeira might just be that, albeit a he'll of a risk at the asking price being quoted.

Too many lads think real life is like Championship Manager.

GiftofGab

Liverpool's current line up on Fifa 10 to 16

http://imgur.com/a/5utWz

Consistent Milner.

GiftofGab

Liverpool's current line up on Fifa 10 to 16

http://imgur.com/a/5utWz

Consistent Milner.

DrumSteve

kfallon wrote: »

They are in me hole, all those Slazenger/Dunlop/Lonsdale etc tat he sells on there is pure shíte!!

Ah I won't be having that. Bought a few Kangol ones on there a while back; real noice.

That being said I also bought a sondico sheffield wednesday jersey for €12 at the same time. Can't beat sondico.

googled eyes

https://twitter.com/TonyBarretTimes/status/693070485974835200


I'm actually starting to think Danny has lost the fight mentally. Doubting we'll see him again this season

googled eyes

https://twitter.com/TonyBarretTimes/status/693070485974835200


I'm actually starting to think Danny has lost the fight mentally. Doubting we'll see him again this season

Sappy404

corwill wrote: »

Too many lads think real life is like Championship Manager.

GiftofGab wrote: »

Liverpool's current line up on Fifa 10 to 16

http://imgur.com/a/5utWz

Consistent Milner.

Consecutive posts. Timing is everything.

Tusky

googled eyes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TonyBarretTimes/status/693070485974835200


I'm actually starting to think Danny has lost the fight mentally. Doubting we'll see him again this season

It's a bizarre case. I've never seen anything like it. Even if he does come back, it's only a matter of time before he'll be gone again.

brevity

kfallon wrote: »

They are in me hole, all those Slazenger/Dunlop/Lonsdale etc tat he sells on there is pure shíte!!

Plus his half his staff are on 0 hour contracts and are treated like ****e.

Harry Palmr

Hendo out of the game tomorrow, Clyne marginal.

MD1990

GiftofGab wrote: »

Liverpool's current line up on Fifa 10 to 16

http://imgur.com/a/5utWz

Consistent Milner.

Boring Milner's rating barely changed

slingerz

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Hendo out of the game tomorrow, Clyne marginal.

Clyne can be rested with the Scouse Cafu back

Harry Palmr

Flano wasn't even running on as much as empty against Stoke after 105 minutes, it would be reckless to play another game this week. Could see him break down in some annoying muscle related fashion.

54and56

Sappy404 wrote: »

He'll be pilloried. Shaktar want £38m, we've offered £28m. Shaktar disclose his release clause as £53m to put the fairness of their asking price into context, and now LFC/Ayre looks stingy for not paying it.

In many ways this makes paying the asking price more palatable to the club. Instead of being bullied into paying the asking price in full, £10 more than our initial offer, Ayre would look shrewd for getting a player for £38m that has a 'list price' of £53m. What Shaktar have done makes any deal on their terms more likey, even if it means a deal happening of any kind might be less so.

I can't understand this logic at all. To follow your argument, if Stoke put a list price of £250m on Crouch and we negotiated a 40% discount it would be a god deal to spend £150m on him? You weren't in the room when we were buying Andy Carroll by any chance were you?

What someone wants for a player (or any other asset for that matter) is completely irrelevant. What matters is what similar quality assets actually sell for and/or what your next best option can be purchased for. If Shaktar are holding out for £38m for Tex and the nest best player on Klopps list who he believes is 95% as good is available for £25m why pay a 34% premium to secure a 5% better player?

sabat

emmetkenny wrote: »

I don't think you buy either of those two players for £38m. Combine that with the fact they are both a teir above Liverpool they would be very unlikely to join us.

I thought my post was pretty clear in the point I was making- they could not spend £38m on this guy, flog off Balotelli, Allen and Ibe, throw 10 or 20 million in and be able to at least bid for a world class player. How would you feel if Aubameyang was available for £70m this summer (not at all unlikely) but they couldn't bid because they spewed the cash on the Brazilian Andy Carroll?

Buford T. Justice XIX

sabat wrote: »

I thought my post was pretty clear in the point I was making- they could not spend £38m on this guy, flog off Balotelli, Allen and Ibe, throw 10 or 20 million in and be able to at least bid for a world class player. How would you feel if Aubameyang was available for £70m this summer (not at all unlikely) but they couldn't bid because they spewed the cash on the Brazilian Andy Carroll?

Better spending £38m on the Brazilian Andy Carroll than £38 on the Andy Carroll Brazilian.

TitianGerm

sabat wrote: »

I thought my post was pretty clear in the point I was making- they could not spend £38m on this guy, flog off Balotelli, Allen and Ibe, throw 10 or 20 million in and be able to at least bid for a world class player. How would you feel if Aubameyang was available for £70m this summer (not at all unlikely) but they couldn't bid because they spewed the cash on the Brazilian Andy Carroll?

I don't think Aubameyang would sign for us either as Dortmund would be on the same level as us if not slightly ahead. His next move will be upwards not sideways.

Tex is bit different as in he says he's a Liverpool fan so he actually wants to sign for us. If a player wants to sign for a club they in theory would take a lower wage than one signing for a club for the wages alone.

Now a player signing for €35m would not expect the same wage as a €70m signing either.

mosstin

emmetkenny wrote: »

I don't think Aubameyang would sign for us either as Dortmund would be on the same level as us if not slightly ahead. His next move will be upwards not sideways.

Tex is bit different as in he says he's a Liverpool fan so he actually wants to sign for us. If a player wants to sign for a club they in theory would take a lower wage than one signing for a club for the wages alone.

Now a player signing for €35m would not expect the same wage as a €70m signing either.

You don't actually believe this Robbie Keane-esque crap, do you?

TitianGerm

mosstin wrote: »

You don't actually believe this Robbie Keane-esque crap, do you?

Nope hence why I said 'he says he is' rather than 'he is'

mormank

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

I can't understand this logic at all. To follow your argument, if Stoke put a list price of £250m on Crouch and we negotiated a 40% discount it would be a god deal to spend £150m on him? You weren't in the room when we were buying Andy Carroll by any chance were you?

What someone wants for a player (or any other asset for that matter) is completely irrelevant. What matters is what similar quality assets actually sell for and/or what your next best option can be purchased for. If Shaktar are holding out for £38m for Tex and the nest best player on Klopps list who he believes is 95% as good is available for £25m why pay a 34% premium to secure a 5% better player?

While I agree with the sentiment of your post, I can't help but think that the last 5% is the most expensive 5% and the most important and is what we have been missing for so long now. But yeah I basically agree with your post.

garra

Sappy404 wrote: »

He'll be pilloried. Shaktar want £38m, we've offered £28m. Shaktar disclose his release clause as £53m to put the fairness of their asking price into context, and now LFC/Ayre looks stingy for not paying it.

In many ways this makes paying the asking price more palatable to the club. Instead of being bullied into paying the asking price in full, £10 more than our initial offer, Ayre would look shrewd for getting a player for £38m that has a 'list price' of £53m. What Shaktar have done makes any deal on their terms more likey, even if it means a deal happening of any kind might be less so.

It's a lot simpler than that. They are just doing the same thing as sparks and plumbers were doing in the Celtic tiger days. If you had a small job needed doing and they weren't particularly interested, they would just quote a ridiculous fee. It's a win:win, either you feck off or you pay them a small fortune for the hassle.

ush

kfallon wrote: »

They are in me hole, all those Slazenger/Dunlop/Lonsdale etc tat he sells on there is pure shíte!!

Its a one stop shop for all your NUFC merchandising needs.

Turtyturd

ush wrote: »

Its a one stop shop for all your NUFC merchandising needs.

Jonjo Shelvey will be on sale there before the end of next season.

OwaynOTT

Turtyturd wrote: »

Jonjo Shelvey will be on sale there before the end of next season.

We'll finally be able to buy him back. Another brilliant deal between Liverpool and Newcastle.

Kerrigooney

emmetkenny wrote: »

I don't think Aubameyang would sign for us either as Dortmund would be on the same level as us if not slightly ahead. His next move will be upwards not sideways.

Tex is bit different as in he says he's a Liverpool fan so he actually wants to sign for us. If a player wants to sign for a club they in theory would take a lower wage than one signing for a club for the wages alone.

Now a player signing for €35m would not expect the same wage as a €70m signing either.

Don't you mean miles and miles ahead? Because they are.

MD1990

Dortmund slightly ahead lol I wish. We are currently 7th in an average PL(decimated by injuries) which Dortmund would run away with if they were in the PL.

~Rebel~

In a sporting sense, they're well ahead of us. Financially though, we would be ahead, and likely could offer higher wages with the new TV deal coming.

But yes, someone like Aubameyang will be going to someone who can offer those wages anyway, along with being a better team.

TitianGerm

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Don't you mean miles and miles ahead? Because they are.

Team wise yes. If we could field a team like them it would be brilliant.

Are Dortmund as well known internationally? I don't think so.

I'd still like to be in their situation though. Very strong team and challenging for a title for the last few years.

Irishmale0399

Lads Aubameyang has a contract until 2019 or 2020 in Dortmund. He has also been quoted as saying he is not planning on leaving anytime soon.
The club chairman was asked recently by Bild if he would sell him for €100 million and his answer was a very simple NO.

Irishmale0399

Lads Aubameyang has a contract until 2019 or 2020 in Dortmund. He has also been quoted as saying he is not planning on leaving anytime soon.
The club chairman was asked recently by Bild if he would sell him for €100 million and his answer was a very simple NO. Dortmund is one of the few clubs in Europe which is practically debt free and have a few 100 million in the bank.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Lovren should be back in the starting line-up tomorrow and I'm quite looking forward to it.

Am l loosing my mind?

Charlie19

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Lovren should be back in the starting line-up tomorrow and I'm quite looking forward to it.

Am l loosing my mind?

Twelve months ago and my answer would've been definitely.

But like Joe Allen, Lovren has looked a different player since Klopp has arrived.

Charlie19

Carraghers interview with Gerrard about the last time the Reds faced the Hammers in the FA Cup.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3423521/This-best-West-Ham-team-ve-seen-hope-way-2006-Jamie-Carragher-Steven-Gerrard-remember-classic-FA-Cup-final.html


How did Carra end up in front of Stevie for that wonder goal?

Knex*

Remember these days?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fU4g7gB1SLI

You'd nearly swear it was on loop.

Knex*

And we all take the piss out of Mr. Glass, and rightfully so, but I don't think we get past Southampton without him that night. We were going nowhere before he turned the game on its head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f1wyoypc_o

Its a pity he can't even remotely be relied upon, as when fit, he's comfortably our best player.

Chardee MacDennis

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Lads Aubameyang has a contract until 2019 or 2020 in Dortmund. He has also been quoted as saying he is not planning on leaving anytime soon.
The club chairman was asked recently by Bild if he would sell him for €100 million and his answer was a very simple NO.

while i dont think he's an achievable target for us, why would the club chairman answer anything other than no?

Irishmale0399

Chardee MacDennis wrote: »

while i dont think he's an achievable target for us, why would the club chairman answer anything other than no?

Because Mr Watzke is probably one of the most honest chairmen in the football business. If there was any chance of Auba leaving or if his agents were pushing for it, he would never say no directly...he would tell it as it is....something like "every player has a price....or....the player wont want to play for us forever, will want to move to bigger things....or no comment" as was the case when Lewandowski was forcing his move and running down his contract.
Add to the above comments Auba recently publically stated that he has no problem staying in Dortmund for the rest of his career, he actually said he wanted to stay as his family and child are very safe and well looked after. Its common knowledge that BVB sorted his older brother Willie out with a contract in the fourth division with FC Kray after he didnt make the grade in the BVB second team. That was key to helping him settle in after a difficult first year.
Read a few of his comments on Gundogan...."we are working on it but cant force him to renew his contract.....his family are pushing for a move to earn from it(father is his agent)....."