Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 15/16

price690

niallo27 wrote: »

The top price in old trafford is 53 quid though and they have been winning leagues for the last 20 years.

Most expensive season ticket outside of London though. Interesting to see the spread of tickets going for £53 i'd imagine its a sizeable share.

The owners are charging premium prices now. Fans will pay this amount (relatively speaking Anfield will be full to capacity at 45k at those prices) but the owners need to show they are investing premium resources on the playing side if they want to walk the walk.

Charging £77 a pop with the business model of selling your top player every summer to reinvest these funds into buying 5-6 players (in the hope maybe one of them can be sold at a huge profit in a couple of seasons) will not fly unfortunately.

Hence the owners need to start walking to walk now and spending some of their own money and show they mean business and have "genuine" ambition. That being ambition of challenging on all fronts (league title and champions league).

Because as it stands theres a real whiff off FSG that they are only interested in attaining champions league once its done on the cheap.

They have a record of paying 20million+ on players whilst offering pittance salaries. By pittance I mean 30-45k on players supposedly worth large transfer fees.
Markovic, Lallana, Lovren etc.. supposedly not earning over 50k, which for a club of our size is ridiculous.

Its why we see problems arising in being gazumped for some really good players. Haggling over fees, lowballing clubs and players trying to do things on the cheap. Absolutely zero long term planning. You cannot build a side this way.

Teixeira attracted a bid supposedly of up to £30million but the reported contract offer was 45k. Something amiss here. FSG like guys who have a cheaper going rate it seems.

A player like Konoplyanka was good enough to attract a bid of 15million but it falls through. Hes available not long after on a Bosman and we are not interested. Smacks of planning and building on the fly. Let a top class manager identify who fits his profile and back him. Quality over quantity, its no rocket science.

Our guys admire the Arsenal model too much, would be delighted to finish 4th on the cheap every season and pick up Champions league money without ever having any real intention of commiting the resources necessary to win the title.

Kerrigooney

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TonyBarretTimes/status/696021782155948032

The team needs to undergo surgery to remove quite a few of the players too.

price690

martyos121 wrote: »

Will people finally realise how idiotic this protest is now then? Any fan that wants FSG gone is plain and simply, a monumental idiot. There might be a slight divide in opinions of the reasoning behind the protest, but this clip is beyond disgraceful IMO. Our club might not exist as Liverpool FC today had FSG not stepped in to save it. We were on the brink of administration and they turned the club right around in no time.

FSG got a pretty sweet deal in fairness. Anyone who thinks they "saved us" out of the goodness of their own heart, is a fool.

Their asset (lets not forget the club is an asset to them) is probably worth 2 or 3 times the amount they invested.

So thats their upside.

I've no problem paying premium prices to go to Anfield. Barca, Real Madrid etc.. pay big ticket prices the difference being they act like big clubs in the transfer market.

If our guys want to charge £77 then act like a big club in more ways then one. Right now their only signal of intent of how big we are is how much they think its worth for our fans to pay to see their "asset" in action.

Luckycharms_74

googled eyes wrote: »

https://twitter.com/spiritofshankly/status/696025384274501632

SoS folks. From ticket prices to yanks out in no time

What fcuking kn0b ends they are.
If it wasn't for FSG god knows where we would be.
It's business. The fans might not like it.If any of those muppets want to hand back their season ticket there will be tens of thousands of others just waiting to snap it up, no matter what price it has increased to.

5starpool

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

What fcuking kn0b ends they are.
If it wasn't for FSG god knows where we would be.
It's business. The fans might not like it.If any of those muppets want to hand back their season ticket there will be tens of thousands of others just waiting to snap it up, no matter what price it has increased to.

That's an awful attitude.

No one who has this opinion has any right to ever complain about the atmosphere being crap.

8-10

Agent Coulson wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TonyBarretTimes/status/696021782155948032

Missing the game for a bit of surgery. He needs to learn the difference between serious pain and only pain

price690

Certain supporters sites now resemble the kind of stuff you would see at the Socialist party conference.

I read one post where a bloke told the exact story a guy on here told, how a local charged him £250 to use his season ticket to see a game. Fair prices were not exactly followed there for the average fan.

He was happy to line his own pockets but was no doubt waving his FSG out flag outside the ground today.

Needless to say the poster didn't get a favourable response

Luckycharms_74

5starpool wrote: »

That's an awful attitude.

No one who has this opinion has any right to ever complain about the atmosphere being crap.

My point being its not like there won't be a queue out the door looking for season tickets.
Last time I was there taxi driver telling me he has 3 season tickets but always rents them out.
most of the rents are not locals.
He was saying there is a 30k waiting list for season tickets.
That what I was saying.
its like a night club the regulars might complain when prices go up but if its a popular places for every one that refuses to go in there will be others who wont care.

price690

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

My point being its not like there won't be a queue out the door looking for season tickets.
Last time I was there taxi driver telling me he has 3 season tickets but always rents them out.
most of the rents are not locals.
He was saying there is a 30k waiting list for season tickets.
That what I was saying.
its like a night club the regulars might complain when prices go up but if its a popular places for every one that refuses to go in there will be others who wont care.

I'd say he is making a pretty profit renting it out aswell, not doing it out of the goodness of his heart.

Ticket prices will cut into the profit margin some of these lads make.

Irishmale0399

Wonder if any of the fans who walked out of the stadium would be willing to do a whip around....lets say min. €500-1000 each before the summer transfer window opens. Then Liverpool maybe able to compete wages wise or fee wise with other clubs. This sh1te of TV money meaning we will have more.....other clubs selling players know we have the cash and as a result prices and wages will go up.

Simple fact is that the owners have said from day one that the club would be self financing keeping within the so called FIFA Financial Fair Play rules.....so it was clear that more income had to be raised. Interesting would be to get a breakdown of the overall gate income under the new pricing structure and compare it to the old one. Is the difference that big or are the €77 tickets subsidising the €9 tickets for locals, tickets that are going into local schools to reward school kids etc..

As for fans here in the forum....how many of you are season ticket holders and actually effected by the new price structure?? Have a feeling it is a case of jumping on the bandwagon without trying to understand why its all happening. Very similar too a lot of things in Ireland when prices go up......no one likes it but expects above average service or products. I would imagine without the additional income Liverpool will not move to the next level....as as far as I can see the owners are not taking much money wise out of the club.

Irishmale0399

Wonder if any of the fans who walked out of the stadium would be willing to do a whip around....lets say min. €500-1000 each before the summer transfer window opens. Then Liverpool maybe able to compete wages wise or fee wise with other clubs. This sh1te of TV money meaning we will have more.....other clubs selling players know we have the cash and as a result prices and wages will go up.

Simple fact is that the owners have said from day one that the club would be self financing keeping within the so called FIFA Financial Fair Play rules.....so it was clear that more income had to be raised. Interesting would be to get a breakdown of the overall gate income under the new pricing structure and compare it to the old one. Is the difference that big or are the €77 tickets subsidising the €9 tickets for locals, tickets that are going into local schools to reward school kids etc..

As for fans here in the forum....how many of you are season ticket holders and actually effected by the new price structure?? Have a feeling it is a case of jumping on the bandwagon without trying to understand why its all happening. Very similar too a lot of things in Ireland when prices go up......no one likes it but expects above average service or products. I would imagine without the additional income Liverpool will not move to the next level....as as far as I can see the owners are not taking much money wise out of the club.

Luckycharms_74

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

My point being its not like there won't be a queue out the door looking for season tickets.
Last time I was there taxi driver telling me he has 3 season tickets but always rents them out.
most of the rents are not locals.
He was saying there is a 30k waiting list for season tickets.
That what I was saying.
its like a night club the regulars might complain when prices go up but if its a popular places for every one that refuses to go in there will be others who wont care.

Season tickets would be snapped up if they became available. Myself and a few friends would buy one without a second throught to share among us if we got the chance so if someone the people who left today want to hand back their season ticket fire away. It's impossible to get tickets for games at the moment so I wouldn't mind some more tickets becoming available If peope want to stay at home rather than support the team and carry out stunts like walking out on your team
While winning 2-0.

Also lol at people wanting the club to spend big on transfers and wages but waking out of a ground over ticket prices which are one of the bread and butter revenue sources for the club.

galwaylad14

Few interesting numbers to run by everyone. Just on Premiership games

Rodgers overall had an average of 1.79 points per game.
For this season (for which he was sacked) he had 1.5 ppg

Klopp has 1.35 points per game so far after 17 games. To extrapolate that over a season it would give you 51 points which would have been good enough for 10th place last season, between Crystal Palace and Stoke.

Obviously now Klopp hasn't had a chance to bring in players yet but surely if he was such a superior manager to Rodgers he'd be able to get more than him out of the same squad of players.

Does the emperor have no clothes?

galwaylad14

Few interesting numbers to run by everyone. Just on Premiership games

Rodgers overall had an average of 1.79 points per game.
For this season (for which he was sacked) he had 1.5 ppg

Klopp has 1.35 points per game so far after 17 games. To extrapolate that over a season it would give you 51 points which would have been good enough for 10th place last season, between Crystal Palace and Stoke.

Obviously now Klopp hasn't had a chance to bring in players yet but surely if he was such a superior manager to Rodgers he'd be able to get more than him out of the same squad of players.

Does the emperor have no clothes?

mikeym

Camilo Icy Skull wrote: »

Season tickets would be snapped up if they became available. Myself and a few friends would buy one without a second throught to share among us if we got the chance so if someone the people who left today want to hand back their season ticket fire away.

Also lol at people wanting the club to spend big on transfers and wages but waking out of a ground over ticket prices.

Your not allowed share a season ticket with your friends.

Its a stupid club policy.

5starpool

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

My point being its not like there won't be a queue out the door looking for season tickets.
Last time I was there taxi driver telling me he has 3 season tickets but always rents them out.
most of the rents are not locals.
He was saying there is a 30k waiting list for season tickets.
That what I was saying.
its like a night club the regulars might complain when prices go up but if its a popular places for every one that refuses to go in there will be others who wont care.

Using the example of a few twats as part of any justification why tickets prices can still go up again is a very flawed argument.

Luckycharms_74

Camilo Icy Skull wrote: »

Season tickets would be snapped up if they became available. Myself and a few friends would buy one without a second throught to share among us if we got the chance so if someone the people who left today want to hand back their season ticket fire away. It's impossible to get tickets for games at the moment so I wouldn't mind some more tickets becoming available If peope want to stay at home rather than support the team and carry out stunts like walking out on your team
While winning 2-0.

Also lol at people wanting the club to spend big on transfers and wages but waking out of a ground over ticket prices which are one of the bread and butter revenue sources for the club.

I'm the same.

My mate has to buy at least 14 home matches this season to be guaranteed cat A games. (now he sells the ones he don't want to others but at face value)
If offered the chance he like myself would snap up the season ticket.

mosstin

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

My point being its not like there won't be a queue out the door looking for season tickets.
Last time I was there taxi driver telling me he has 3 season tickets but always rents them out.
most of the rents are not locals.
He was saying there is a 30k waiting list for season tickets.
That what I was saying.
its like a night club the regulars might complain when prices go up but if its a popular places for every one that refuses to go in there will be others who wont care.

Jesus. This is Enda Kenny-esque - "I met a man on the street yesterday who told me..."
Fans objecting and protesting against overall ticket price rises are doing what they're entitled to and what they're obliged to as far as I'm concerned.
Cannot understand the mentality that, because it doesn't affect you immediately, you should be OK with something which involves pricing people out of going to the game.

mikeym

mikeym wrote: »

Your not allowed share a season ticket with your friends.

Its a stupid club policy.

What you are allowed to do and what actually happens are often very different

TitianGerm

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Few interesting numbers to run by everyone. Just on Premiership games

Rodgers overall had an average of 1.79 points per game.
For this season (for which he was sacked) he had 1.5 ppg

Klopp has 1.35 points per game so far after 17 games. To extrapolate that over a season it would give you 51 points which would have been good enough for 10th place last season, between Crystal Palace and Stoke.

Obviously now Klopp hasn't had a chance to bring in players yet but surely if he was such a superior manager to Rodgers he'd be able to get more than him out of the same squad of players.

Does the emperor have no clothes?

Your also not counting the fact that Rodgers had very few injuries at the Start of this season compared to Klopp.

So they may be working with the same squad but Klopp is not able to field the strongest 11.

mikeym

Liverpool FC is nothing without the fans.


Simple as.

I wonder how much is it to watch Bayern Munich or Dortmund???

The Premier League clubs rip off fans.

Luckycharms_74

mosstin wrote: »

Jesus. This is Enda Kenny-esque - "I met a man on the street yesterday who told me..."
Fans objecting and protesting against overall ticket price rises are doing what they're entitled to and what they're obliged to as far as I'm concerned.
Cannot understand the mentality that, because it doesn't affect you immediately, you should be OK with something which involves pricing people out of going to the game.

Of course they are entitled to complain.
It does effect me when I pay for my ticket to go next season :rolleyes:
The point is it WILL price SOME people out of going to the game but not OTHERS who won't care what the prices are.
They want to see the team and will pay

mosstin

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Wonder if any of the fans who walked out of the stadium would be willing to do a whip around....lets say min. €500-1000 each before the summer transfer window opens. Then Liverpool maybe able to compete wages wise or fee wise with other clubs. This sh1te of TV money meaning we will have more.....other clubs selling players know we have the cash and as a result prices and wages will go up.

Simple fact is that the owners have said from day one that the club would be self financing keeping within the so called FIFA Financial Fair Play rules.....so it was clear that more income had to be raised. Interesting would be to get a breakdown of the overall gate income under the new pricing structure and compare it to the old one. Is the difference that big or are the €77 tickets subsidising the €9 tickets for locals, tickets that are going into local schools to reward school kids etc..

As for fans here in the forum....how many of you are season ticket holders and actually effected by the new price structure?? Have a feeling it is a case of jumping on the bandwagon without trying to understand why its all happening. Very similar too a lot of things in Ireland when prices go up......no one likes it but expects above average service or products. I would imagine without the additional income Liverpool will not move to the next level....as as far as I can see the owners are not taking much money wise out of the club.

WTF? Very few I'd imagine. I'd say most are like me who go over to as many games as they can afford each season but why should we be happy with seeing the club changing into something I certainly don't recognise. What is this bandwagon you speak of? Is it folk standing up and saying they've had enough of being treated like an endless source of cash?
It's as much a protest against the overall policy of the club towards fans in general as it just a single ticketing issue, which is the straw that broke the camel's back.

monkey9

I've no problem at all with the walk out protest against ticket prices, but i'm not too impressed with the 'get out of our club' jibes directed towards FSG outside the ground.

Irishmale0399

mosstin wrote: »

Jesus. This is Enda Kenny-esque - "I met a man on the street yesterday who told me..."
Fans objecting and protesting against overall ticket price rises are doing what they're entitled to and what they're obliged to as far as I'm concerned.
Cannot understand the mentality that, because it doesn't affect you immediately, you should be OK with something which involves pricing people out of going to the game.

But the question is who is being priced out of going to games????
Give us a breakdown of old and new prices....

If anything from what I have read the club are giving LOCALS 20,000 tickets and some or most of them at very fair prices. Added or from that amount free tickets will be going into schools, youth groups etc. to reward kids and young adults for achievements. Liverpool is not an Irish football club, its English and is the club of the people who live around it. The Irish or other fans from outside are an added bonus which the club will charge to see the team play, locals will have 20,000 tickets to see their club.

I paid €15-20 into Oriel Park last season.....no multi million pound signings, no players on 70-80T per week......or do you all want FSG to bankroll the club with their private cash???

Who dont all Irish football fans support Irish clubs??? Why is it that the Aviva stadium is half empty for most internationals and when the Euros come along over 200,000 people want tickets.

mosstin

Luckycharms_74 wrote: »

Of course they are entitled to complain.
It does effect me when I pay for my ticket to go next season :rolleyes:
The point is it WILL price SOME people out of going to the game but not OTHERS who won't care what the prices are.
They want to see the team and will pay

And if that's your attitude to the club then I'm calling it BS. :rolleyes:
Solidarity eh? **** 'em.

mosstin

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

But the question is who is being priced out of going to games????
Give us a breakdown of old and new prices....

If anything from what I have read the club are giving LOCALS 20,000 tickets and some or most of them at very fair prices. Added or from that amount free tickets will be going into schools, youth groups etc. to reward kids and young adults for achievements. Liverpool is not an Irish football club, its English and is the club of the people who live around it. The Irish or other fans from outside are an added bonus which the club will charge to see the team play, locals will have 20,000 tickets to see their club.

I paid €15-20 into Oriel Park last season.....no multi million pound signings, no players on 70-80T per week......or do you all want FSG to bankroll the club with their private cash???

Who dont all Irish football fans support Irish clubs??? Why is it that the Aviva stadium is half empty for most internationals and when the Euros come along over 200,000 people want tickets.

If you want a breakdown of prices, why not read back the thread a little - it's been posted already today.
I stopped reading the rest of your post because it turned into one of those LOI non-sequiturs.
If you want to believe the spin the club have put on their ticketing strategy in recent years, that's your own business. The folk who go to the games week in, week out walked out en masse today and I'd say for certain they have a far greater idea of the exact details involved than either you or I. I celebrate the fact that they got off their arses and did something about it.

Irishmale0399

mikeym wrote: »

Liverpool FC is nothing without the fans.


Simple as.

I wonder how much is it to watch Bayern Munich or Dortmund???

The Premier League clubs rip off fans.

Season tickets (17 Bundesliga games):
Most expensive: €815 Cheapest: €207 (standing)
No student, disabled or old age pensioner prices included.

Single ticket purchase:
Most expensive: €54.40* Cheapest: €16.70* + €5 service charge
No student, disabled or old age pensioner prices included.

*20% price increase for class 1 games. Adds up to about 10 home games per year.

Please remember BVB have 81,000 fans and if you want to buy tickets for big games you have to be a club member (€70 per year)

mikeym

Dubliner gives his views on Redmen Tv's Youtube Channel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibFxW5awBow

Irishmale0399

mosstin wrote: »

If you want a breakdown of prices, why not read back the thread a little - it's been posted already today.
I stopped reading the rest of your post because it turned into one of those LOI non-sequiturs.
If you want to believe the spin the club have put on their ticketing strategy in recent years, that's your own business. The folk who go to the games week in, week out walked out en masse today and I'd say for certain they have a far greater idea of the exact details involved than either you or I. I celebrate the fact that they got off their arses and did something about it.

Simple question....where should the money for multi million pound signings and their ever increasing wages come from???
How should the club fund itsself if they cant increase income. TV money is all well and good but all PL clubs are getting it so you have to add to it to make a differnce.....most clubs have a bigger stadium than LFC, some of those also have higher prices and they have higher marketing income due to CL or PL success.

All fans want big signings....but never think about who or how they are paid for. The same fans criticise Chelsea and Man City for having a rich owner investing private money into the club.......then they criticise FSG for trying to raise more cash and forcing the club to spend what it earns.

garra

price690 wrote: »

Most expensive season ticket outside of London though. Interesting to see the spread of tickets going for £53 i'd imagine its a sizeable share.

The owners are charging premium prices now. Fans will pay this amount (relatively speaking Anfield will be full to capacity at 45k at those prices) but the owners need to show they are investing premium resources on the playing side if they want to walk the walk.

Charging £77 a pop with the business model of selling your top player every summer to reinvest these funds into buying 5-6 players (in the hope maybe one of them can be sold at a huge profit in a couple of seasons) will not fly unfortunately.

Hence the owners need to start walking to walk now and spending some of their own money and show they mean business and have "genuine" ambition. That being ambition of challenging on all fronts (league title and champions league).

Because as it stands theres a real whiff off FSG that they are only interested in attaining champions league once its done on the cheap.

They have a record of paying 20million+ on players whilst offering pittance salaries. By pittance I mean 30-45k on players supposedly worth large transfer fees.
Markovic, Lallana, Lovren etc.. supposedly not earning over 50k, which for a club of our size is ridiculous.

Its why we see problems arising in being gazumped for some really good players. Haggling over fees, lowballing clubs and players trying to do things on the cheap. Absolutely zero long term planning. You cannot build a side this way.

Teixeira attracted a bid supposedly of up to £30million but the reported contract offer was 45k. Something amiss here. FSG like guys who have a cheaper going rate it seems.

A player like Konoplyanka was good enough to attract a bid of 15million but it falls through. Hes available not long after on a Bosman and we are not interested. Smacks of planning and building on the fly. Let a top class manager identify who fits his profile and back him. Quality over quantity, its no rocket science.

Our guys admire the Arsenal model too much, would be delighted to finish 4th on the cheap every season and pick up Champions league money without ever having any real intention of commiting the resources necessary to win the title.

You are all over the place man... financially, economically, strategically scatter-brained analysis. Criticizing the club for offering a mere 45K to the likes of Lovren and Markovic (who have hardly been deserving of their paltry salary anyway), whilst justifying an increase in ticket prices because the local fans would "throw out-of-towners under the bus"??

Are you ok in the head?

price690

garra wrote: »

You are all over the place man... financially, economically, strategically scatter-brained analysis. Criticizing the club for offering a mere 45K to the likes of Lovren and Markovic (who have hardly been deserving of their paltry salary anyway), whilst justifying an increase in ticket prices because the local fans would "throw out-of-towners under the bus"??

Are you ok in the head?

You think the strategy of spending big transfer fees on players who attract lower pay packets is good strategy? This club will never sign top quality players who demand top wages. I've a problem with that.

Werner is on record as saying they will spend on players but the wage bill needs to be brought under control. This is a conflicting statement. We are being cheap. And whilst we unfortunately didn't miss out on Lovren or Markovic due to being cheap, its not to say we might not get knocked back by a genuine talent for such a paltry offer.

As for ticket prices, raising tickets prices is absolutely justifiable on the proviso they walk the walk and invest in players (fees and wages) that are commensurate with a club demanding top dollar from its fans.

Who knows, maybe they have had a shift in policy maybe raised ticket prices was the requirement before the club start going after bigger names/paying better wages to attract higher calibre of players etc..

I will say though theres no way you can charge £77 per game watching the current mess, and to continue with their frugle approach to recruitment flies in the face of charging supporters a higher amount for watching second rate sh*te.

TitianGerm

I wonder if FSG left ticket prices as they are, withdrew the 20,000 free tickets and don't increase or lower any prices and then charge the same amount for the new stand as they do now in the existing stand how much of a difference would it make to gate revenue per game.

Can't be much more than £1m a game I'd imagine. But if that extra £30m was directly invested into the team with a very good signing each year it would be very hard for fans to argue against the increase.

mosstin

Irishmale0399 wrote: »

Simple question....where should the money for multi million pound signings and their ever increasing wages come from???
How should the club fund itsself if they cant increase income. TV money is all well and good but all PL clubs are getting it so you have to add to it to make a differnce.....most clubs have a bigger stadium than LFC, some of those also have higher prices and they have higher marketing income due to CL or PL success.

All fans want big signings....but never think about who or how they are paid for. The same fans criticise Chelsea and Man City for having a rich owner investing private money into the club.......then they criticise FSG for trying to raise more cash and forcing the club to spend what it earns.

Simple answer;
1. That TV deal you've alluded to.
2. We're signing lucrative corporate partnership deals on a monthly basis - something Ayre is actually good at.
3. Kit deal worth £300 million.
4. FSG.

And that's just the obvious ones. There's bucketloads of money swilling around in the PL pot - too much and it'll burst soon, no doubt - so the last place the club should be looking are the fans who aren't as compliant in the cash cow deal as today's demonstration showed.
All fans want big signings, eh? Like Benteke? Or Lallana? No, I want isgnings that are good for the club on the pitch. You and I are on a different page when it comes to following the club - I want the club to be successful but absolutely not at any cost.
FSG are being criticised - justifiably - for milking folk who don't have anything more to give.

galwaylad14

galwaylad14 wrote: »

Few interesting numbers to run by everyone. Just on Premiership games

Rodgers overall had an average of 1.79 points per game.
For this season (for which he was sacked) he had 1.5 ppg

Klopp has 1.35 points per game so far after 17 games...........

someone posted after Klopp was here for 10 or so games iirc that his ppg was now ahead of the 1.5ppg achieved by Rodgers, this was a great sign apparently, they haven't posted much ppg since iirc.

Kerrigooney

mosstin wrote: »

Simple answer;
1. That TV deal you've alluded to.
2. We're signing lucrative corporate partnership deals on a monthly basis - something Ayre is actually good at.
3. Kit deal worth £300 million.
4. FSG.

And that's just the obvious ones. There's bucketloads of money swilling around in the PL pot - too much and it'll burst soon, no doubt - so the last place the club should be looking are the fans who aren't as compliant in the cash cow deal as today's demonstration showed.
All fans want big signings, eh? Like Benteke? Or Lallana? No, I want isgnings that are good for the club on the pitch. You and I are on a different page when it comes to following the club - I want the club to be successful but absolutely not at any cost.
FSG are being criticised - justifiably - for milking folk who don't have anything more to give.

It sounds exactly like how this country is being run but that's probably for another thread.

MD1990

FSG are a disgrace tbh. Showed there true colours over the ticket rises. We also have spent that much on transfers when you consider the incredible tv deals,selling our best players & not paying huge wages either.

5starpool

emmetkenny wrote: »

I wonder if FSG left ticket prices as they are, withdrew the 20,000 free tickets and don't increase or lower any prices and then charge the same amount for the new stand as they do now in the existing stand how much of a difference would it make to gate revenue per game.

Can't be much more than £1m a game I'd imagine. But if that extra £30m was directly invested into the team with a very good signing each year it would be very hard for fans to argue against the increase.

Matchday income (including food/drink/other stadium income) for last season was about £50m in total. If the increases came to anything like 1m extra a game there would be a hell of a lot more protests than there are. I think the increased revenue is going to be something like 250k per game, certainly not anything like enough to fund a 30m signing. The extra capacity will (without normal ticket price increases included) probably add 10m a season, and the ticket price changes an extra 5m or so. For the sake of that in context of the overall revenue it is pittance, and there was scope to reduce the burden on the people who are the lifeblood of the club. Without fans, football is nothing.

Harry Palmr

A word for Bobby Firmino who some many were against.

Andrew Beasley ‏@BassTunedToRed
Top mins per PL G&A (min 10, no pens):

Agüero 89
Mahrez 99
Özil 100
Lukaku 108
DeBruyne 111
Deulofeu 115
FIRMINO 121
Vardy 121
Giroud 124

Harry Palmr

A word for Bobby Firmino who some many were against.

Andrew Beasley ‏@BassTunedToRed
Top mins per PL G&A (min 10, no pens):

Agüero 89
Mahrez 99
Özil 100
Lukaku 108
DeBruyne 111
Deulofeu 115
FIRMINO 121
Vardy 121
Giroud 124

Pyjamarama

Harry Palmr wrote: »

A word for Bobby Firmino who some many were against.

Andrew Beasley ‏@BassTunedToRed
Top mins per PL G&A (min 10, no pens):

Agüero 89
Mahrez 99
Özil 100
Lukaku 108
DeBruyne 111
Deulofeu 115
FIRMINO 121
Vardy 121
Giroud 124

Honestly think he's a special talent. He's doing it all with so little space since we've nobody else who can force a defender to worry about anything. Imagine him with Sturridge up top... honestly i think we'd waltz top 4.

5starpool

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Honestly think he's a special talent. He's doing it all with so little space since we've nobody else who can force a defender to worry about anything. Imagine him with Sturridge up top... honestly i think we'd waltz top 4.

If we had them and Coutinho fit for the majority of the season we'd be a real threat, but we'd still need a total revamp in defence. Sakho has had some very good games, but he has had a lot of very poor ones as well. He should have done better for the second goal today. If we were to sell our entire defence (which we won't) I wouldn't be too sad. Clyne has been the best of them this season, but he hasn't been able to contribute a lot going forward, but I'd be happy enough to keep him. Getting a new goalkeeper has to be a real priority this summer though, new contract for Mignolet or not.

mosstin

5starpool wrote: »

If we had them and Coutinho fit for the majority of the season we'd be a real threat, but we'd still need a total revamp in defence. Sakho has had some very good games, but he has had a lot of very poor ones as well. He should have done better for the second goal today. If we were to sell our entire defence (which we won't) I wouldn't be too sad. Clyne has been the best of them this season, but he hasn't been able to contribute a lot going forward, but I'd be happy enough to keep him. Getting a new goalkeeper has to be a real priority this summer though, new contract for Mignolet or not.

Yup. Pretty much exactly how I see it.

Speak Now

Pyjamarama wrote: »

Honestly think he's a special talent. He's doing it all with so little space since we've nobody else who can force a defender to worry about anything. Imagine him with Sturridge up top... honestly i think we'd waltz top 4.

We'd waltz nothing with our keeper and defenders.

MD1990

I really hope we sell Lallana & Milner. They are awful imo.

Speak Now

MD1990 wrote: »

I really hope we sell Lallana & Milner. They are awful imo.

I wouldn't have Milner in the awful category tbf.

MD1990

Jerry Seinfeld wrote: »

I wouldn't have Milner in the awful category tbf.

I would. Great work rate thats about it. 140k wages could be spent alot better.

marno21

So many passengers in this squad & team. Wouldn't be doing any better if Rodgers was still in charge. A lot of cracks were deepening but were masked over by Suarez and the brilliance of 2013-14. Don't think the likes of Mignolet, Milner, Lallana and Benteke are in Klopp's long term plans.

Looking forward to seeing what Klopp will sign and also seeing a long queue out the exit door.

marno21

So many passengers in this squad & team. Wouldn't be doing any better if Rodgers was still in charge. A lot of cracks were deepening but were masked over by Suarez and the brilliance of 2013-14. Don't think the likes of Mignolet, Milner, Lallana and Benteke are in Klopp's long term plans.

Looking forward to seeing what Klopp will sign and also seeing a long queue out the exit door.

54and56

mikeym wrote: »

Dubliner gives his views on Redmen Tv's Youtube Channel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibFxW5awBow

That's embarrassing.

One minute fans are spouting that we should just pay the extra £x million to sign a player or not be penny pinching and pay the wages demanded and the next they are complaining about ticket prices.

Why should the club charge less than fans are willing to pay? As long as attendances remain the same why should the club give up revenue which would contribute to funding transfers and player wages so we can compete to win silverware?

Can anyone answer this question because I can't think of a good answer, particularly when the club have ring fenced lower pricing for local fans which I think is only fair?