Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours 15/16

Harry Palmr

BullBlackNova wrote: »

Missed last night's game so can't comment there.

But going to reiterate something I said a few weeks ago now that we have more options - I really want to see 2 up front. I really believe than any combination of Firmino, Benteke, Origi and Sturridge would have some luck. We should be going to try and swarm teams at this stage - the defence is so unreliable, we can basically presume that we WILL concede in every game.

Curious to see how everyone would like us to line up with a (practically) fully fit squad at the minute? It happens so rarely, I almost always pick teams in my head factoring out half a dozen players.

But I'd go with...

Mignolet (Ugh)
Clyne -- Lovren -- Sakho -- Flanagan
Henderson -- Can -- Milner
Coutinho
Firmino -- Sturridge

We lack width in almost any set up that we go with because of a lack of wingers, so if we try to narrow the play ourselves and make it difficult to play against us. I'd be happy enough to put Lucas in as a CB instead of Sakho based on their current form too.

It'll be a couple of games before Sturridge is starting I expect but assuming (!) the current squad stays fit Klopp will at least have the right sort of headache in terms of selection up front. However as far as I'm aware he has never played a 4-4-2 diamond. Like you this is the formation I'd like to see as the squad is clearly best for that approach playing the likes of Coutinho wide is a waste but Klopp may get seduced into the idea of playing as many forwards are he can in a 4-3-3 /4-3-2-1

I'd go with

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Lucas

---

Can---Coutinho

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Firmino

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Sturridge--Origi

as soon as possible myself.

Hendo is not really fit to my eyes so I'd go with Can and Coutinho on the flanks, the latter is underestimated as a No 8 type but he stronger than he looks and has an eye for that quick threaded ball which would bring Firmino into play early.

However I suspect

-Can---Lucas---Allen
---Firmino-Coutinho

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Sturridge

type set up is more likely. As it notionally at least offers more protection to the defence while leaving three live attacking talents up front.

5starpool

citytillidie wrote: »

This summer maybe bad for preparations

Copa America - June 3rd - June 23th
Euros - June 10th - July 10th
Olympics - August 4th - August 20th

If Liverpool win the League Cup season would start on 28th July

If we win the league cup we'll just have to finish 5th (or 6th and hope the FA Cup is won by a CL team) or else win the Europa league.

Let's pretend those are all good possibilities. We'd probably play a lot of the u-21's again in the early round I'd imagine or just substitute those games for actual pre season games. It should affect things too much except maybe a pre season tour schedule in the US or wherever.

Harry Palmr

I don't see an early start, if there is one as an issue. Just play the U21s and loan recalls in the first round or two.

5starpool

Harry Palmr wrote: »

It'll be a couple of games before Sturridge is starting I expect but assuming (!) the current squad stays fit Klopp will at least have the right sort of headache in terms of selection up front. However as far as I'm aware he has never played a 4-4-2 diamond. Like you this is the formation I'd like to see as the squad is clearly best for that approach playing the likes of Coutinho wide is a waste but Klopp may get seduced into the idea of playing as many forwards are he can in a 4-3-3 /4-3-2-1

I'd go with

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Lucas

---

Can---Coutinho

---

Firmino

---

Sturridge--Origi

as soon as possible myself.

Hendo is not really fit to my eyes so I'd go with Can and Coutinho on the flanks, the latter is underestimated as a No 8 type but he stronger than he looks and has an eye for that quick threaded ball which would bring Firmino into play early.

However I suspect

-Can---Lucas---Allen
---Firmino-Coutinho

---

Sturridge

type set up is more likely. As it notionally at least offers more protection to the defence while leaving three live attacking talents up front.

Personally I suspect a lineup of:

---Henderson----Milner---
Lallana-Firmino-Coutinho

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Sturridge

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Is more actually likely. Not what I'd pick probably, but what I think is more likely to happen in terms of who will be picked. Lallana out for Can with Milner on the right and Can in midfield might well be Klopp's preference if all are fit though.

citytillidie

The Premier league should void any Adam Johnson goals now

Boom_Bap

I only really caught the second half and extra time last night.

In relation to Benteke, I was applauding him for growing a pair of bollocks and using his strenght. He was doing all the right things when his back was to the goal.
It's obvious that he is not used to playing with Sturridge, he was looking for a shot rather than looking where Sturidge was to slip him in.
But for a striker and not scoring in the last of his 3 1 on 1's is desperately bad.
But I do still see hope.

But I see much better hope in Firmino, Coutinho and Sturridge (Origi & Lallana as well, but not so much), they will be finding each other alot better in the final third and will be getting into much better advanced scoring positions.

Delighted to see Sturridge back as well, I really do hope he can maintain fitness.

BorneTobyWilde

Ibe is frustrating .
The man has huge pace and power yet ALWAYS receives the ball in front of oppositions defense. He then lacks the agility to beat his man and too often it breaks down.
He would be unreal if he would look to receive the ball with runs behind defenses. He would be an absolute menace if played that way. The most dangerous wide men like to receive the ball in behind, not in front with a wall of men to beat.
We never see Ibe make a run in behind or get ahead of striker, he needs to do this. It takes the pressure off to beat his man, just RUN BEHIND HIM!

Utopia Parkway

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Ibe is frustrating .
The man has huge pace and power yet ALWAYS receives the ball in front of oppositions defense. He then lacks the agility to beat his man and too often it breaks down.
He would be unreal if he would look to receive the ball with runs behind defenses. He would be an absolute menace if played that way. The most dangerous wide men like to receive the ball in behind, not in front with a wall of men to beat.
We never see Ibe make a run in behind or get ahead of striker, he needs to do this. It takes the pressure off to beat his man, just RUN BEHIND HIM!

I think the biggest difference between Ibe and Sterling is that Sterling had an appreciation of when and where to make runs. Especially off the ball. Ibe just doesn't seem to have that. Often just seems to stand still waiting for it. His tendency to be lazy tracking back as well won't do him any good.

Sense Klopp is getting frustrated with him a bit as well. Saw some quote this morning where he said "Ibe is not in the best moment right now".

Boom_Bap

Ibe is young, he was being trained by Rodgers to play as a wing back or part of a front 3. He's being asked to start out wider now and come in, more of a traditional winger. He's learning lots and getting game time.
He's also young. Did I mention he is young and has bags of potential.

MD1990

Ibe is a talent & young. But at times he is just lazy. We have had injuries & he has played alot & not taken his chance. I would consider loaning him next season depending on how does for the rest of the season & pre-season.

OwaynOTT

OwaynOTT wrote: »

I'd save the turd is raging to see him back and looking sharp. Coulson's thank count will drop for 4.5 games now as well.

I like that I didn't even need to mention the player I was talking about and people got it.
The two lads are very predictable in their hatred.

marklazarcovic

Dont do it to yourselves lads with the sturridge hope,we know where this ends

54and56

TAW podcast ref ticket prices with SOS, Spion Kop 1906 and LFCSC - http://pca.st/KcU5

Interesting discussion.

Dcully

Strange one lastnight, i wasn't overly disappointed with the result as i thought we were excellent at times.
Yet again finishing off chances let us down,but a lot of positive to take from the game.
Again the young lads were great and at times outplayed some seasoned premier league players in a very good west ham side, the best in many years imo.
I thought Lucas and Ilori looked a better partnership in central defence than any previous combinations this season.
Lucas in particular was superb , his reading of danger and where to be to intercept balls was almost Sami Hypia like at times,when needed he showed great composure but then went and gave away his customary silly freekick that lead to the winning goal but overall for a lad playing out of position i thought he was excellent.

Francie Barrett

I hope I can be proved wrong, but I don't think Ibe will make it as a top player. He's almost exactly one year behind Sterling, but when you look at Sterling this time last year, the difference in ability is clear for all to see. I know any comparison with a player like Sterling isn't fair, but that is the standard that is being set.

jones

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I hope I can be proved wrong, but I don't think Ibe will make it as a top player. He's almost exactly one year behind Sterling, but when you look at Sterling this time last year, the difference in ability is clear for all to see. I know any comparison with a player like Sterling isn't fair, but that is the standard that is being set.

Agree i think Ibe is a one trick pony and defences have copped onto that one trick very quickly. I thought Ibe looked amazing when he broke into the first team but as someone mentioned earlier he's regressing not improving

Boom_Bap

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I hope I can be proved wrong, but I don't think Ibe will make it as a top player. He's almost exactly one year behind Sterling, but when you look at Sterling this time last year, the difference in ability is clear for all to see. I know any comparison with a player like Sterling isn't fair, but that is the standard that is being set.

Yeah but Sterling was playing with Coutinho, Suarez and Sturridge regularly.
He also had Suarez pointing and telling him where to go.

No disrespect to Sterling there, but he did have more of an advantage to develop quicker playing with them.

Francie Barrett

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Yeah but Sterling was playing with Coutinho, Suarez and Sturridge regularly.
He also had Suarez pointing and telling him where to go.

No disrespect to Sterling there, but he did have more of an advantage to develop quicker playing with them.

Sterling was still our best player when we didn't have Suarez last year. Well, he was until his head got turned by City. Ibe looks a long way off being a first teamer for us.

Daemonic

There were calls for Sterling to be loaned at the start of the 13/14 season because after making an initial bright start, teams worked him out and could nullify him very easily.
He only really started to shine when the team clicked. Once he had that confidence and experience behind him he was able to maintain performance even when the team was poor.

Much the same has happened with Ibe right now, teams know what he'll do making him ineffective. It doesn't help that he's often our only wide attacking outlet in a pretty dysfunctional team.

Will be get through the slump and become a first teamer? No idea, but I wouldn't write any player under 23-24 off before Klopp and his team has had a chance to do more work than just match to match prep with them to see if he can help them improve.

Daemonic

There were calls for Sterling to be loaned at the start of the 13/14 season because after making an initial bright start, teams worked him out and could nullify him very easily.
He only really started to shine when the team clicked. Once he had that confidence and experience behind him he was able to maintain performance even when the team was poor.

Much the same has happened with Ibe right now, teams know what he'll do making him ineffective. It doesn't help that he's often our only wide attacking outlet in a pretty dysfunctional team.

Will be get through the slump and become a first teamer? No idea, but I wouldn't write any player under 23-24 off before Klopp and his team has had a chance to do more work than just match to match prep with them to see if he can help them improve.

mosstin

Boom_Bap wrote: »

I only really caught the second half and extra time last night.

In relation to Benteke, I was applauding him for growing a pair of bollocks and using his strenght. He was doing all the right things when his back was to the goal.
It's obvious that he is not used to playing with Sturridge, he was looking for a shot rather than looking where Sturidge was to slip him in.
But for a striker and not scoring in the last of his 3 1 on 1's is desperately bad.
But I do still see hope.

But I see much better hope in Firmino, Coutinho and Sturridge (Origi & Lallana as well, but not so much), they will be finding each other alot better in the final third and will be getting into much better advanced scoring positions.

Delighted to see Sturridge back as well, I really do hope he can maintain fitness.

Drives me absolutely nuts. All the talent, all the flicks, all the intelligence for no end product. If he was one of the first to go this summer I wouldn't shed a tear. Just doesn't seem to have what it takes to make it at the top level.

~Rebel~

murpho999 wrote: »

So how come Ronaldo, Suarez and Messi don't get injured so much? (Not suggesting he's at that level)

Nippy players do get injured more than others. Again, as I said in the thing you actually quoted, I think Sturridge's problems run far beyond just that, but that certainly doesn't help.

Why pick 3 players who don't get injured so much (although Ronaldo and Messi have had an awful lot more injuries over the past few seasons), whats the point in that? There's a whole world of football. Just look at teams in general - the guys who get injured more are the nippy dynamic ones. The ones who tend to stay fit more, the mainstays in teams, are centre mid and centre backs. Just look at any list of "most appearances", and (aside from goalkeepers obviously) you'll find far more of those players than the nippy attacking ones, despite those ones being the ones who score goals.

Kirby

Club apologise to fans in an open letter. Not surprised really. No 77 pound tickets.

retalivity

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/206821-fsg-s-message-to-liverpool-supporters

Link

monkey9

Good stuff. Well done to the protesters.

Vicxas

Protesting works. Who knew.




Someone might wanna tell those helpless Irish Water protesters....

BMMachine

brilliant stuff. fair play

ShamoBuc

Very glad this has been put to bed so speedily.

T-K-O

God Bless America

J Mysterio

retalivity wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/206821-fsg-s-message-to-liverpool-supporters

Link

Fair ****s to the ownership, again.

And people were criticising fans for walking out?

Fair ****s to them.

Great to see that supporters still have some say

mosstin

That is brilliant. One situation in which the protestors and owners come out of this looking well. Fair play FSG and to the 10,000 who walked. Hope this sets a precedence for the rest of the PL. Football's still too expensive of course.

54and56

It's an amazing U turn, particularly no categorisation, fair play to the organisers of the protest and fair play to FSG for listening.

I think we have the best owners in the League. They may not be steeped in football but they do know how to build a long term sustainable club mistakes and all.

S. Goodspeed

Great, how we gonna afford the next Carroll / Balotelli / Benteke now...

Gbear

I'm astonished they've pull so far back so quickly with so little effort to make excuses for themselves.

54and56

RoboKlopp wrote: »

And people were criticising fans for walking out?

Fair ****s to them.

Great to see that supporters still have some say

Supporters/Fans/Customers don't have a say, they have influence but only if the owners and/or management are prepared to listen and act.

I'm sure I'd be one of the people you label as "criticising fans for walking out" but I wasn't. I was criticising SOS for having such a nut job socialist agenda e.g. 70% of tickets at £30 and supporter representation at board room level.

I'm a big believer in protesting if you don't agree with something or don't like the way you are being treated e.g. the "Don't buy the Sun" protest and the dozens of businesses I voluntarily boycott because of the values they promote e.g. Dunnes Stores in the 80's ref Apartheid or the way the treat either their customers or their staff.

monkey9

S. Goodspeed wrote: »

Great, how we gonna afford the next Carroll / Balotelli / Benteke now...

Well get Balotelli's wages off the books for a start.

rob316

Delighted it was sorted so quickly. Removal of categorisation is huge news. Fair ****s to them for backtracking on there mistake.

monkey9

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

It's an amazing U turn, particularly no categorisation, fair play to the organisers of the protest and fair play to FSG for listening.

I think we have the best owners in the League. They may not be steeped in football but they do know how to build a long term sustainable club mistakes and all.

I agree. My only gripe with what happened on Saturday was some fans outside chanting 'Get out of our club' towards FSG. I didn't like that at all.

But fair play to the protesters. They shed a positive light on the club these past few days for standing up for what they believe, hopefully fans of others clubs will follow suit.

Fair play to FSG as well for listening to the fans. A good PR exercise.

Harry Palmr

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

It's an amazing U turn, particularly no categorisation, fair play to the organisers of the protest and fair play to FSG for listening.

I think we have the best owners in the League. They may not be steeped in football but they do know how to build a long term sustainable club mistakes and all.

Tell that to SoS (or at least some of those who march with them).

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Meanwhile taking place right now

liverpool u21's v sligo rovers

Firth, Polgar, Hart, Brewitt (c), Maguire, Virtues, Phillips, O'Hanlon, Sinclair, Ejaria, Lennon.

SuperTortoise

retalivity wrote: »

http://www.liverpoolfc.com/news/announcements/206821-fsg-s-message-to-liverpool-supporters

Link

Wow, credit where it's due, well done FSG.

I think outside of the man city more money that sense ownership, FSG are the best we can hope to get, yes they are a business but i think they do get LFC and what it means.

Edit: I'd have more satisafaction in winning in FSG style that man city unlimited money style as well.

mosstin

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Tell that to SoS (or at least some of those who march with them).

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Meanwhile taking place right now

liverpool u21's v sligo rovers

Firth, Polgar, Hart, Brewitt (c), Maguire, Virtues, Phillips, O'Hanlon, Sinclair, Ejaria, Lennon.

At this. U21s 1-0 up. **** match. ****ing cold.

Without supporter's groups organising the protests nothing would have been done.

Fair play.

The club ****ed up and have moved to fix it sharply. Well done to all.

5starpool

RoboKlopp wrote: »

Without supporter's groups organising the protests nothing would have been done.

Fair play.

The club ****ed up and have moved to fix it sharply. Well done to all.

People criticising the likes of SOS for some of their more 'ambitious' requests are really missing the point of all the good things they do for matchday fans both home and away sets.

Harry Palmr

mosstin wrote: »

At this. U21s 1-0 up. **** match. ****ing cold.

fair play! Keep us posted if your fingers don't freeze. Who scored.

mosstin

Harry Palmr wrote: »

fair play! Keep us posted if your fingers don't freeze. Who scored.

Adam Phillips. Jerome Sinclair off at HT. Or Jeremy as the announcer here called him. #LOI

mosstin

1-1. Pen. Very harshly given.

mosstin

2-1 U21s. Will Marsh.

Villain

Even the board at Liverpool are bottlers

Ah no in fairness they listened!, fair play to those fans who took a stand including the crazy Dublin fella that was filmed outside

BorneTobyWilde

I wonder would they listen if we protested about buying players under 25 only, and that we wish to buy one world class player per window at a cost of 60m rather than 6 gambles that cost us 120m who then end up on loan.