UFC Fight Night: Dillashaw v Cruz

Mellor

Cruz via Submission

Deadst4r wrote: »

Couldn't decide who won but definitely didn't think Cruz won that unanimously.

What do you mean by not unanimously?

FollowMyWay wrote: »

I had Cruz winning the first three, he was making TJ miss and landing good combinations plus the takedowns. TJ clearly won the fourth and edged the fifth. Tony Weeks gave Cruz the fourth, not sure what he was watching.

Both 49-46 decisions were pretty outrageous, the fight was close.

I agree that the 49-46 decisions don't reflect the closeness of the fight. But it's also easy to see how multiple close rounds end up being scored in such a polarising way. For example, you said you have TJ just "edging" the fifth. Which is only just edging it away from a 49-46.

I had a draw in the first, and Cruz in the 2nd, 3rd and 5th. A draw in the 5th wouldn't be crazy either imo.

DeVore

The "10-point must" system is severely flawed in that way. Its really an awful system they "inherited" for some reason from boxing. They could easily do better but the more complicated the system the more difficult they think it will be for newcomers to understand I reckon. (Personally if Americans can understand their football rules they will be fine!).

Mellor

Cruz via Submission

I've heard a number of suggested alternative scoring systems. But a lot of them are simply the 10-point must system in a different form, with all the same pitfalls. Anything that's very different is usually highly subjective, and often comes with its own issues.

I haven't seen anything worth switching to tbh.

DeVore

Well the sport is explained as being ranked on 4 things, it would be nice to have some transparency as to where the judges give weight to even in the 10-point-must system. There seem to be judges who think that a takedown means that fighter has won the round irrespective!

At the moment the whole "10-9" thing is basically completely subjective and opaque. They might as well just say "him".

Mellor

Cruz via Submission

DeVore wrote: »

Well the sport is explained as being ranked on 4 things, it would be nice to have some transparency as to where the judges give weight to even in the 10-point-must system. There seem to be judges who think that a takedown means that fighter has won the round irrespective!

Agreed, and on the other hand there there's judges who give takedowns and control on the mat zero credit, only strikes after you have them on the bottom count.
One judge infamously said leg kicks don't count as much because they don't finish fights.

The problem is, all these subjective based flaws will apply regardless of what point system is used.

At the moment the whole "10-9" thing is basically completely subjective and opaque. They might as well just say "him".

The current system would be an awful lot better if the judges used and full spectrum of the 10-must system.

That means more 10-10 rounds, more 10-8s and the occasional rare 10-7s.
10-7s should be quite rare, only a few per year but that's about as frequent as some judges give out 10-8s currently.

Lukker-

I think one of the biggest flaws with the current system is that judges are so reluctant to score rounds as a draw. I think draw rounds would be fairly common in MMA if the judges didn't feel obliged to pick a winner every round for whatever reason.

Beersmith

Lukker- wrote: »

I think one of the biggest flaws with the current system is that judges are so reluctant to score rounds as a draw. I think draw rounds would be fairly common in MMA if the judges didn't feel obliged to pick a winner every round for whatever reason.

Yeah I totally agree but for some reason fans latch onto the lack of 10-8's as the problem which normally only happen in one sided fights anyway so it ends up not affecting the outcome often. Its the tight fights that need draws in one or more round and then the other rounds that have a convincing winner that decide the fight.

Mellor

Cruz via Submission

Lukker- wrote: »

I think one of the biggest flaws with the current system is that judges are so reluctant to score rounds as a draw. I think draw rounds would be fairly common in MMA if the judges didn't feel obliged to pick a winner every round for whatever reason.

Yup, that's what I was getting above. It's not the current system, just how its used.

Beersmith wrote: »

Yeah I totally agree but for some reason fans latch onto the lack of 10-8's as the problem which normally only happen in one sided fights anyway so it ends up not affecting the outcome often. Its the tight fights that need draws in one or more round and then the other rounds that have a convincing winner that decide the fight.

10-8s in title fights would stop a lot of the bad split decisions.
They'd also cause a lot more draws overall. As would more drawn rounds.

With draws being common, most really close decision, split decisions woudl be draws. Draws aren't a great result in terms of progressing the division. but I'd rather see a draw than the wrong guy win