Trials of Osiris

syboit

Serbian wrote: »

Do you get the Grimoire just by going there or do you actually have to go flawless? I, or someone else, could bring you there in their fireteam, that might be enough to get the points.

Didnt think this was possible to be honest, but would give it a go allright.

PetKing

Ah lads, didn't know that at all! Screw flawless then! I'm a grimoire guardian of the night

My name is URL

Sign me up for short bus seat to the Lighthouse

Kimbot

Yeah they made the change a week after I went flawless 😂😂😂

SolvableKnave

jonnycivic wrote: »

Yeah they made the change a week after I went flawless 😂😂😂

Nathan. :P

AbusesToilets

Where is your pride lads?

jackrussel

The night of the fight, you may feel a slight sting. That's pride ****ing with you. **** pride. Pride only hurts, it never helps. (Great film is pulp fiction).

Haven't done trials in about a month but I'll give it a go again Sunday

PetKing

AbusesToilets wrote:

Where is your pride lads?

At this point in the game, I have neither the desire nor the inclination to break my back to get an adept weapon I might use and an emblem. Grimoire always meant more to me, and at this point it's nearly all I have left to play for.

jackrussel

So, anyone want to come for a spin to the lighthouse? Get yer grimore while ye can. I'll be on for like another half an hour & for a bit tomorrow depending on how much is drank later

Serbian

On for a few hours today. Happy to bring anyone to the Lighthouse if you're on Xbox One. Gamertag is NutCity, just drop me a message and I'll join up with you as soon as I can.

syboit

Serbian wrote: »

On for a few hours today. Happy to bring anyone to the Lighthouse if you're on Xbox One. Gamertag is NutCity, just drop me a message and I'll join up with you as soon as I can.

Cool, might be on later will drop ya a mesg.

Serbian

syboit wrote: »

Cool, might be on later will drop ya a mesg.

Still on if you're looking to go!

syboit

Serbian wrote: »

Still on if you're looking to go!

Hi, didnt get on last night I'm afraid, if I'm around tonight I might drop a a buzz.

Serbian

Welp, I tried to take someone to the Lighthouse yesterday and it said they didn't have access to this activity I guess they changed it that you do need a flawless card to get in there. Sorry guys, my bad for spreading bad info.

Unrelated, but this weekend was the lowest Trials participation on record (apart from the time they cancelled Trials because of the Shadowshot exploit, which still hit almost 200k accounts in one day) — down another 10% week on week to under 300k accounts for the first time ever.

I wonder if the map was the determining factor? I personally struggled a lot on the map this week with a shotgun / pulse rifle loadout. I played with two snipers, waited for them to get the pick, then I pushed in to try and deny the res. Felt pretty useless, and I haven't used a sniper in a long time, so felt like I'd be more of a liability using my LDR.

Anyway, here's hoping with the Dawning coming today, we might see an uptick in participation.

SolvableKnave

Serbian wrote: »

Welp, I tried to take someone to the Lighthouse yesterday and it said they didn't have access to this activity I guess they changed it that you do need a flawless card to get in there. Sorry guys, my bad for spreading bad info.

Dont worry about it, this place is known for misinformation.

Serbian wrote: »

Unrelated, but this weekend was the lowest Trials participation on record (apart from the time they cancelled Trials because of the Shadowshot exploit, which still hit almost 200k accounts in one day) — down another 10% week on week to under 300k accounts for the first time ever.

I wonder if the map was the determining factor? I personally struggled a lot on the map this week with a shotgun / pulse rifle loadout. I played with two snipers, waited for them to get the pick, then I pushed in to try and deny the res. Felt pretty useless, and I haven't used a sniper in a long time, so felt like I'd be more of a liability using my LDR.

Anyway, here's hoping with the Dawning coming today, we might see an uptick in participation.

What was the map?

I'd say it's a combination of factors tbh. Player numbers have fallen off (you can see that within the clan here), and the ones that are left would be the dedicated players (not pro but dedicated). Then, for trials, you will have the "pro" players as the, not majority, but with less "casual" players jumping in to trials, your more than likely going to come up against more skilled players more often, which will lead to a struggle getting to LH, which leads to the "casuals" getting fed up being matched against flawless players on their first 1 or 2 matches.

I barely touch trials as inevitably, first match up is against a team of multiple flawless runs, lose 5-0, then match 2 through to 5 you up against teams in and around your own skill level, then it's back to flawless groups.

Serbian

SolvableKnave wrote: »

What was the map?

I'd say it's a combination of factors tbh. Player numbers have fallen off (you can see that within the clan here), and the ones that are left would be the dedicated players (not pro but dedicated). Then, for trials, you will have the "pro" players as the, not majority, but with less "casual" players jumping in to trials, your more than likely going to come up against more skilled players more often, which will lead to a struggle getting to LH, which leads to the "casuals" getting fed up being matched against flawless players on their first 1 or 2 matches.

I barely touch trials as inevitably, first match up is against a team of multiple flawless runs, lose 5-0, then match 2 through to 5 you up against teams in and around your own skill level, then it's back to flawless groups.

The map was Shores of Time. It's the first time it's been used in trials, and to be honest, it was a bit of a shît show. If you spawned over at the beach beside the A flag, you had control of the capture point and the heavy ammo. Most teams camped around the river and got picks as players coming from B looked for angles. I really didn't enjoy it tbh and wouldn't have bothered playing on another character only that some really good players I know needed a third.

I think they're trying out some maps with longer sight lines to try and mixup the shotgun meta at the moment, which doesn't suit my game, but I think is a good thing. We're going to see the population spike a trough a lot more than it did as Trials gets more experimental.

AdamD

The problem is primaries are utter trash so you either have maps with long enough sight lines to snipe uncontested, which becomes incredibly slow and tedious, or maps where you can close the gap quick enough with a shotgun to negate primaries.

Mitch Connor

Primaries are fine, imo, the TTK is just about right on them. Secondaries being too powerful, especially in conjuntion with movement speed is a problem.

AdamD

I'd disagree. Shotgun range is very low at the moment and they still dominate. It's far too easy to get behind cover mid primary gun fight at the moment.

Mitch Connor

AdamD wrote: »

It's far too easy to get behind cover mid primary gun fight at the moment.

Yeah, it is - good. I don't want Destiny to become a twitch shooter where you have no real time to react to getting shot. Snipers and Shotguns are enough for that type of play imo. As for Shotgun range being low? Matador64 doesn't feel low range at all - the kill distance on that thing feels way to far. And that (or a gun very close to it) is all you are seeing.

I'd mush prefer the balance of the game changed so that primary gun fights, with the current TTK, were the guns primarily used - and Specials being used in special circumstances - rather than primary use of the specials and emergency use of the primaries.

AdamD

I don't think Thorn/TLW TTK from year 2 is a twitch shooter. The TTKs are still miles off CoD. There's an in between where we are now and where CoD is that would be nice. The maps are issues too, if you want the current TTK you need maps like Resistance and Killzone which have way less cover and encourage full gunfights, rather than running away.

I can imagine they're struggling to find a way of nerfing shotguns further without burying them, I still think the range is really quite low, even on Matadors.

syboit

Just got lucky with a raffle on twitch, finally made it to lighthouse, totally carried but I'm chuffed either way

AbusesToilets

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Yeah, it is - good. I don't want Destiny to become a twitch shooter where you have no real time to react to getting shot. Snipers and Shotguns are enough for that type of play imo. As for Shotgun range being low? Matador64 doesn't feel low range at all - the kill distance on that thing feels way to far. And that (or a gun very close to it) is all you are seeing.

I'd mush prefer the balance of the game changed so that primary gun fights, with the current TTK, were the guns primarily used - and Specials being used in special circumstances - rather than primary use of the specials and emergency use of the primaries.

I feel like UR and the Chaperone should be the only shotguns with that sort of range. Right now, those Matador builds inhabit the same space that HCs are meant to be effective in.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Ah the old buff primary / nerf secondary conversation still rages on

Check out Destiny Trials Report on Twitter, they publish a weekly breakdown of what guns are used and how many kills per gun.

The top gun for highest number of kills is, surprise, surpirse Matador 64 with ~6 million kills!!!
The next gun is the Clever Dragon with ~2.8 million...

https://twitter.com/TrialsReport/status/822190507862409217

I don't think there's any doubt that the primary and secondary weapons need a rebalancing. I think slightly buffing primaries, especially hand cannons, would bring them back into play.

Kimbot

Lads, there might be a round of carries this weekend, Nathan is down from Friday till Sunday so will be doing a few bits on Destiny

dudeeile

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

I don't think there's any doubt that the primary and secondary weapons need a rebalancing. I think slightly buffing primaries, especially hand cannons, would bring them back into play.

In my opinion it was the lazy way out for Bungie, play IB here's a Clever Dragon for you, best primary in the game. We're also dropping shotguns left, right and centre. If everyone is using the same weapons then what balancing needs doing.

SolvableKnave

dudeeile wrote: »

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

I don't think there's any doubt that the primary and secondary weapons need a rebalancing. I think slightly buffing primaries, especially hand cannons, would bring them back into play.

In my opinion it was the lazy way out for Bungie, play IB here's a Clever Dragon for you, best primary in the game. We're also dropping shotguns left, right and centre. If everyone is using the same weapons then what balancing needs doing.

Didn't they remove elemental primaries from the game as that's all everyone used? A select few primaries, 1 or 2 specials and Gjallahorn. They've allowed the PvP meta go same way, CD primary and M64 special.

dudeeile

SolvableKnave wrote: »

Didn't they remove elemental primaries from the game as that's all everyone used? A select few primaries, 1 or 2 specials and Gjallahorn. They've allowed the PvP meta go same way, CD primary and M64 special.

With Destiny 2 maybe they just wanted to ease the workload, who knows but it just always came across as an easy fix but it work against them. They didn't seem to put much effort into matchmaking either.

SolvableKnave

With Destiny 2 maybe they just wanted to ease the workload, who knows but it just always came across as an easy fix but it work against them. They didn't seem to put much effort into matchmaking either.

It's possible. I think they've been playing catch-up a little for all of D1. The self inflicted damage / delays / rewrite wouldn't have helped. Plus, the engine D1 runs on is a nightmare by all accounts. So any changes they have to make, take an inordinate amount of time, but I think that's more on the assets side than a couple of numbers of damage.

Don't forget the fiasco of 6% damage increase becoming 0.06%, and how that was always what it was meant to be.

How does Destiny's MM compare to Halos when they had it? Never played Halos MP.

PetKing

SolvableKnave wrote:

Didn't they remove elemental primaries from the game as that's all everyone used?

I thought it was because burn made NF too easy? Fatebringer was an exceptionally good weapon, and the meta at the time. Being arc was just coincidental.

Serbian

Maybe we need to split out a weapon balance thread separate to this Trials thread, but the current state of primary weapons and the optimal Time To Kill (TTK, not The Taken King) is an interesting perspective.

It's mentioned above that the Clever Dragon is the best primary in the game, and to a certain extent, that's true. On paper it has one of the fastest TTKs, it has lots of aim assist, if you were around for the Iron Banner that featured the Clever Dragon, a good roll was easily accessible from the vendor, even if you never got a good one from post game rewards. So, in theory, you should be able to shut down a shotgun rusher in 0.9 of a second using a Clever Dragon, right?

The reality is that the (community) published optimal TTKs are a total misnomer. People virtually never get the three burst kill with the Clever Dragon, and I'm including the top tier streamers who use it such as Wish You Luck and Ramblinnn. I've found the PDX-45 / Hawksaw / Blind Perdition archetype much more forgiving in terms of getting that three burst kill, but still taking four bursts to kill someone reasonably often, which is why the Clever Dragon is better — you get that fourth burst off faster, which results in a better TTK most of the time.

But, the very top players generally don't use either archetype of weapon, they all use hand cannons. Why? It's way easier to hit that three tap. Sure, there's bloom, and that can dick you over from time to time, but it's a decent price to pay for achieving the optimal TTK most of the time. I think once you learn to aim for the neck, hand cannons become that bit more forgiving, allowing you to reap the reward for good aim.

I generally feel that primaries are pretty strong, I do ok and get a lot of kills with primary weapons e.g. over Iron Banner this week, I got 572 kills, 40% with primary weapons (19% shotgun, but melee kills could possibly count towards that). I feel like working on movement and getting better at baiting / repositioning would somewhat reduce the idea that shotguns are too strong right now. I play some games where people show zero situational awareness, or see me, but still allow me to get close far too easily and I reckon they're the same people who complain that shotguns are OP.

I find it ironic that people complain that Arc Blade is trash because you have to get in close and judge the swipe, but in the same breath think that shotguns are too powerful because it's too easy to get in close.

dudeeile

Think it was more comments on post 425 stats and not a debate on weapon balancing.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Serbian wrote: »

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Here's the weapon balancing thread: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057647196

Generic Dreadhead

Handy trials vid

dudeeile

Generic Dreadhead wrote: »

Handy trials vid

Man, that's a really nicely detailed video, I have not seen map callouts broken down like that before and the inclusion of head glitch’s and sniper lines is excellent. I'll check out some more of his videos.

PetKing

Way watching Kraftyy's stream last night. He was happy enough with the meta changes. He was running NLB and sidearm for all rounds after round one. Although he wasn't the best with NLB's new scope, was crying out for an Icebreaker which he doesn't have yet. Lots of his deaths came at the hands of The Wormwood... FWC sidearm?

AbusesToilets

PetKing wrote: »

Way watching Kraftyy's stream last night. He was happy enough with the meta changes. He was running NLB and sidearm for all rounds after round one. Although he wasn't the best with NLB's new scope, was crying out for an Icebreaker which he doesn't have yet. Lots of his deaths came at the hands of The Wormwood... FWC sidearm?

Tis, pretty solid option, going by that sidearm guide on reddit awhile back. The 2 CoE sidearms are really solid options too, Crow's Eye and Queen's Choice.

AdamD

Played a card last night for the first time in ages. LFGd it and got to 8-0 before losing 2 in a row to mess up flawless. Guy on my team went 2-9 in our final game which we lost 5-4 lol..

Its fairly crap with Skorris tbh. We went outside every round and I'd say 80-90% of rounds were us waiting outside at the cap point whilst the opposition camped inside with NLB/Sidearm and Skorris to build supers.

Primaries are ridiculously weak tbh. Imagine saying NLB (without ever receiving a buff..) would end up being meta. Shows how much everything else has been hit. The way the maps are designed the TTK needs to be slightly quicker because the movement is so quick you pretty much cant kill somebody without them getting behind cover unless its a OHK or teamshot.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Anyone up for running a card or 2 tonight?

Kimbot

Hail 2 Da Chimp wrote: »

Anyone up for running a card or 2 tonight?

I might

Also did you see the grenade glitch in this weeks trials map?

Mitch Connor

I'd be on for one after 9.

Kimbot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_eIrovI-Zo&t=69s

AbusesToilets

I would be game

Generic Dreadhead

I might do some Trials this weekend for the AoT Record Book, any takers? Only expecting like ~5 wins :P

AbusesToilets

Generic Dreadhead wrote: »

I might do some Trials this weekend for the AoT Record Book, any takers? Only expecting like ~5 wins :P

I'd be willing

dudeeile

Serious runs only.

Generic Dreadhead

The Dungeons is the map! Jade Rabbit it is so, see ye at the Ramp Camp

PetKing

Anyone for some Trials today? Looking to complete some record book

OptimusTractor

PetKing wrote: »

Anyone for some Trials today? Looking to complete some record book

Yep. Just send invite when you see me.

My name is URL

I'd be up for some no-sweat Trials later if anyone else is looking to knock some out