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martyos121 wrote: »Jesus man would you chill for once, if you're going to dismiss someone's post out of hand without providing any reason other than a laughing emoji, expect that not to go down well with anyone. It's not personal at all.
Skipping over the passive aggressiveness and onto the topic at hand, that video came out well after my post and until Dana said that, everything was pure speculation, by myself included. What I don't understand is how you know Dana is being truthful. If, and all it is at the moment is an "if", Jon Jones had his suspension cancelled/reduced for ratting someone out, do you really think they'd make that public knowledge? Dana was being very ambiguous with those comments, revealed nothing major.
As for what I have to backup my claims about Jon Jones being let off the hook for possibly ratting someone out, if you go back to my post you'll find a link about a Mirko Cro Cop story and how he was approached by USADA to do the same and have his suspension cancelled. Here's a piece from the article I'd suggest you read:
So I'm not saying and never did say that Jon Jones was offered this deal too, I'm saying it's literally in the USADA guidelines that snitching is encouraged, and all of a sudden Jon Jones releases a video where he claims to be coming back soon and that things are looking good for him, despite the fact that the substance he popped for is now public knowledge, and both an A and B sample confirmed it.
Maybe it is the case that there was a bit of a testing cock-up or something along those lines, but just like my own theory, nobody knows for sure either way so nothing can be dismissed so easily.
Sorry for the essay, it's a bit long winded but it's all pretty relevant. Definitely don't take it as gospel either, it's a theory, and I wasn't the first one to think of it.
lol yep I'm very chilled, thanks for your advice though, might want to take it yourself too! Again, if my last reply didn't give the secret up, my original post was not arguing with what you said! You, for some reason, have choose to take it as a dismissal of what you said. Right, whatever, theres nothing to suggest that.
How do I know DW's telling the truth? I don't! LOL I am open minded enough though to wait until there is hard evidence before throwing accusations about.
"everything was pure speculation, by myself included." Was it?
Really? It your little rant to my original reply you said "He literally is a snitch though. Just google "Jon Jones snitch" and you'll see for yourself. It's 100% in his nature and he said it himself. If he could rat out a teammate to shorten or rescind his USADA ban, I'm hugely confident he'd do just that." That sounds a lot stronger than suggesting something as "pure speculation"
Ok, so you didn't say(in the exact words) that Jones was offered the USADA deal but you said just about everything else to suggest thats the only reason he may get off sooner. Again though, we're now sticking to the pure speculation line
You suggested I go away and do my research before posting as you can backup your claims. Can I just double check, your backup for calling Jones a snitch is look what happened to CroCop?
Still, I'm not arguing with you. I've tried to respond to your post and point out some of the areas where I see it as you backtracking on what you've said. Maybe use your own advice and have something to backup your claims(the Crocop excuse is very flimsy lol) as others have been a victim of throwing out unfounded accusations on this forum before. My advice is simply, don't jump to conclusions too quickly 0 -
Devastator wrote: »lol yep I'm very chilled, thanks for your advice though, might want to take it yourself too! Again, if my last reply didn't give the secret up, my original post was not arguing with what you said! You, for some reason, have choose to take it as a dismissal of what you said. Right, whatever, theres nothing to suggest that.
How do I know DW's telling the truth? I don't! LOL I am open minded enough though to wait until there is hard evidence before throwing accusations about.
"everything was pure speculation, by myself included." Was it? Really? It your little rant to my original reply you said "He literally is a snitch though. Just google "Jon Jones snitch" and you'll see for yourself. It's 100% in his nature and he said it himself. If he could rat out a teammate to shorten or rescind his USADA ban, I'm hugely confident he'd do just that." That sounds a lot stronger than suggesting something as "pure speculation"
Ok, so you didn't say(in the exact words) that Jones was offered the USADA deal but you said just about everything else to suggest thats the only reason he may get off sooner. Again though, we're now sticking to the pure speculation line
You suggested I go away and do my research before posting as you can backup your claims. Can I just double check, your backup for calling Jones a snitch is look what happened to CroCop?
Still, I'm not arguing with you. I've tried to respond to your post and point out some of the areas where I see it as you backtracking on what you've said. Maybe use your own advice and have something to backup your claims(the Crocop excuse is very flimsy lol) as others have been a victim of throwing out unfounded accusations on this forum before. My advice is simply, don't jump to conclusions too quickly
Look, if you got the impression I was outright stating Jones ratted someone out to reduce his suspension, fair enough, I wasn't just to be clear because I have no way of knowing that. It's understandable with the wording of my original post why anyone would think I was jumping to that conclusion, but again, how on earth would I know for sure, eh?
When I was referring to Jones as a snitch, it was regarding his past quotes on snitching high school kids for smoking weed, that was clear to anyone because if you googled "Jon Jones snitch" like I said, that's exactly the first thing that comes up. I then suggested he'd be likely to do the same to cut his ban down because, as proven by what I just said, it's in his nature to do that sort of thing. If you think that's backtracking, you misread my post because I think I was pretty clear in what I was saying.
As for the part of your post I bolded, really? You spend all this time trying to pick holes in my theory and then you question whether it was speculation or not? Again, how in my right mind would I know anything for sure about this? I was echoing something I've read quite often in the past few days across some forums, but you seem to think I was saying "This is 100% what went down"? Come on man lol.
Sorry if you thought I was arguing with you over this, hate arguments and avoid them whenever possible, but I most certainly wasn't backtracking on anything, just expanding on things. You've every right to try and dissect what I said and you made good points yourself, I just don't necessarily agree with them. That's all I have to say on it because lads here must be tired of reading (or skipping over) my essays. :pac:0 -
martyos121 wrote: »Look, if you got the impression I was outright stating Jones ratted someone out to reduce his suspension, fair enough, I wasn't just to be clear because I have no way of knowing that. It's understandable with the wording of my original post why anyone would think I was jumping to that conclusion, but again, how on earth would I know for sure, eh?
When I was referring to Jones as a snitch, it was regarding his past quotes on snitching high school kids for smoking weed, that was clear to anyone because if you googled "Jon Jones snitch" like I said, that's exactly the first thing that comes up. I then suggested he'd be likely to do the same to cut his ban down because, as proven by what I just said, it's in his nature to do that sort of thing. If you think that's backtracking, you misread my post because I think I was pretty clear in what I was saying.
As for the part of your post I bolded, really? You spend all this time trying to pick holes in my theory and then you question whether it was speculation or not? Again, how in my right mind would I know anything for sure about this? I was echoing something I've read quite often in the past few days across some forums, but you seem to think I was saying "This is 100% what went down"? Come on man lol.
Sorry if you thought I was arguing with you over this, hate arguments and avoid them whenever possible, but I most certainly wasn't backtracking on anything, just expanding on things. You've every right to try and dissect what I said and you made good points yourself, I just don't necessarily agree with them. That's all I have to say on it because lads here must be tired of reading (or skipping over) my essays. :pac:
LOL of course you wouldn't know for sure, none of us know f**k all for sure That was the point of my original comment. It wasn't to disagree but just laughing at the situation of Jones posts then deletes video and suddenly there are posts on here (IMO) accusing him of being a rat.
When I said backtracking I was referring to, as I seen it, your 1st 2 posts accusing Jones then only in the 3rd mentioning it was only speculation.
I didn't take your posts as arguing, but felt that was your impression of my posts when my orignal comment was just laughing at the nature of this forum. Maybe expanding your views/opinions, as you have now done, in future will help rather than jumping in head 1st with "Heres Jones video, heres USADAs guidelines. Jones is a snitch, F**k USADA" (not in those exact words but pretty close). You just need to be careful what you say on here, as I said in last post, some people have fallen foul of accusing fighters without explanation or proof. 0 -
Devastator wrote: »LOL of course you wouldn't know for sure, none of us know f**k all for sure That was the point of my original comment. It wasn't to disagree but just laughing at the situation of Jones posts then deletes video and suddenly there are posts on here (IMO) accusing him of being a rat.
When I said backtracking I was referring to, as I seen it, your 1st 2 posts accusing Jones then only in the 3rd mentioning it was only speculation.
I didn't take your posts as arguing, but felt that was your impression of my posts when my orignal comment was just laughing at the nature of this forum. Maybe expanding your views/opinions, as you have now done, in future will help rather than jumping in head 1st with "Heres Jones video, heres USADAs guidelines. Jones is a snitch, F**k USADA" (not in those exact words but pretty close). You just need to be careful what you say on here, as I said in last post, some people have fallen foul of accusing fighters without explanation or proof.
Ah fair enough, I sorta get where you're coming from now. You've actually summed up my feelings about USADA fairly well there, I'll give you that. :pac:
Don't think I'm doing too much wrong in guessing why he might be coming back, but I suppose you're right in that you have to tow the line a bit here with that sort of thing. I think I offered a fair explanation of why it could be a possibility though. Looking forward to seeing how this develops, if a Jackson-Wink fighter gets popped in the next few weeks, I might be onto something though! 0 -
martyos121 wrote: »Ah fair enough, I sorta get where you're coming from now. You've actually summed up my feelings about USADA fairly well there, I'll give you that. :pac:
Don't think I'm doing too much wrong in guessing why he might be coming back, but I suppose you're right in that you have to tow the line a bit here with that sort of thing. I think I offered a fair explanation of why it could be a possibility though. Looking forward to seeing how this develops, if a Jackson-Wink fighter gets popped in the next few weeks, I might be onto something though!
I didn't go back to check your post but thats pretty much what I could remember of it Theres millions of possibilities though(eg another possibility, probably a slim one, is Jones has become best buds with Kim Jong Un. Kim's p*ssed off about the whole situation and kidknapped the family of the USADA president and won't give them back until Jones' ban is lifted :eek:;)) we're probably best off waiting for some evidence before saying too much else though. Also I'm not sure whether you should be thinking of hiring an assistant called Watson just yet 0 -
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