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If anyone wants a good laugh, have a listen to the corner commentary from Edmond for Travis Browne on Fight Pass (select the fight, then change audio to his corner). It's hilarious but unbelievable at the same time.Wrongway1985 wrote: »Not working for me:
Fight Pass->Fight Replays->UK/Ireland UFC203
No option to switch directly to fight, unless clicking skip track button or clicking anyway forward to get there options for red/blue corner not available when I do
Bloody Elbow have the transcript now. Better than Shakespeare:
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2016/10/12/13252698/ufc-203-transcript-travis-browne-corner-audio-werdum-edmond-tarverdyan-ronda-rousey-coachRound 1
(Werdum starts the fight with a surprising jump kick)
Edmond: Watch it - watch the jump!
Ricky Lundell - Okay, take it right to him, Travis! Take it right back!
Edmond: Good jab, stick jabs!
(Browne defends a takedown)
Edmond: Be ready! Be ready! Nice! Where’s... puncheeeeees...! Stick jab. Elbows in, be ready!
(Browne feints, Werdum completes a combination ending in a leg kick that goes unchallenged by Browne)
Edmond: Where is it Travis? Answers, brother...
Edmond: You, you, you, you, you... Jab, left hook. Yeah, go to the body there! (Browne does not go to the body) Go to the body, confident! Be ready, Travis! Be ready, legs under you. Jab, get in. Jab, get in. Be first! Be first!
(Werdum goes for a forward rolling kick that misses the target, Browne attempts to capitalize by landing strikes from top)
Edmond: Clip him, Travis!! Jab. RIGHT UPPERCUT! Jab, right uppercut. Come on, he’s a baby in front of you!!
(Note: Werdum has landed various significant strikes at this point)
Edmond: He’s a kid, he ****ing misses every shot he throws!
(Werdum lands a leg kick)
Edmond: Nice distance, I like the discipline!
Lundell: Throw hard, Travis. Throw hard, right into him.
(Browne attempts to walk over to the referee to show his finger injury, ref does not call a timeout and Browne is now swarmed by Werdum, then separated by the ref who now calls a timeout as Werdum walks away irritated)
Edmond: Travis... fight! Fight! Fight! Travis...
(Browne walks to a neutral side of the cage and leans on it)
Edmond: TRAVIS, FIGHT! Travis!
(Ringside physicians come in to check Browne’s hand)
Edmond: Travis! You’re good, **** this... let’s go! Let’s go!
Edmond: Should he go? What do you think? They’re gonna count it a knock out, you know that, right? If he doesn’t.
(Doctor stoppages are registered as TKOs, not knockouts)
Edmond: Let’s go, Travis! You can do it! Use some sick ****in’ knees and break this mother****er, let’s go! Attitude! Attitude, baby! Under! Get that undershot! Yeah, yeah, yeah... Attitude - kick, kick, kick, punch, kick, go! Explode on this mother****er! Explode on him! Travis, right hook - go long!
Lundell: He’s gonna try to come under it on his shot...
Edmond: Work, work, Travis. Busy, brother!
(Another failed takedown attempt by Werdum)
Edmond: Break him, come on! Kick him! Kick him when he’s getting up. Travis! Punch this mother****er. You could get him! Where is...?
Corner: You will, Travis! Keep moving, keep moving!
(Browne swings and misses, Werdum latches on a bodylock from behind. Browne grabs Werdum’s arm and attempts to turn.)
Lundell: Two on one, clear it off! Fight it off, fight it off...
Edmond: Please, fight it. Let’s go. Strong. Get him off you and attack.
Lundell: He’s not on your level Travis...
Edmond: Let’s go! Get him ****ing off you, go!
Lundell: Fight it off and move.
Edmond: Let’s go, brother. Let’s go, brother! Heart! Let’s go!
(Clinchwork continues against the cage as they trade shots and jockey for position with Werdum landing knees to the body and punches to the head.)
Edmond: Let’s go, Trav! Come on - left uppercut, knee! Go!
(Browne manages to free his left hand and land some punches)
Edmond: Good! Travis, please!
(Werdum backs off and both fighters reset near the center)
Edmond: Travis - Right hook, left uppercut, go! Right straight, left uppercut! Left upper... yes!
(Werdum drops for a leg after Browne lands a body shot)
Edmond: You dropped him! You dropped him! You dropped him, knee! Knee, Travis!
(Werdum throws a spinning hook kick that lands under Browne’s armpit)
Edmond: You dropped him, brother! Right hook! Right hook, left uppercut! Short! Short! Short shot, short shot! Legs under you, please! Legs under you! Let’s go.
(Browne lands a left hook)
Edmond: Yes, good! Good, long shots. Long shots.
Lundell: He’s not on your level.
(Browne lands a left hand)
Edmond: Gooood! Jab’s working, let’s go! Right hand, left headkick, GO! Right hand, left headkick, go!
(Browne attempts a left-right combination, both shots blocked by Werdum. Fabricio shakes his head as if to say “no“.)
Edmond: Yeeees! Switch it to uppercut! Switch it to uppercut! Left hook, right uppercut! Left hook, right uppercut!
Lundell: Keep pressing him back, Travis!
Edmond: Trav, please - left hook, right uppercut... Left hook, right uppercut! Left hook, go! Drop this mother...
(Werdum attempts a body kick which is caught by Browne, who then sweeps the other leg)
Edmond: Yes! Left hook... left hook, right uppercut. Left hook, right uppercut! Left hook, right uppercut! Travis - right hook, left uppercut!
(Werdum throws a 1-2 combo, only the second hit lands but drops Browne)
Lundell: Up, up, up!
(Werdum takes top position and begins to land short strikes)
Edmond: Come on... Fifty seconds. Don’t give it to him free! Don’t give it to him free.
(Werdum begins to take Browne’s back)
Edmond: Yeah, you’re stronger than him! (Speaks to another person in Armenian)
Edmond: Thirty seconds! You’re getting out of this ****ing round!
(Werdum begins to work on a rear naked choke)
Lundell: Push it off!
Edmond: Show your heart! Push it out, he doesn’t have it! Good! (Speaks Armenian) Twenty seconds!
(Now Werdum switches from choke attempt to ground strikes as he flattens out Browne who is facing downward.)
Edmond: Fight! Fight! Watch your head, fight! Watch the back of the head! Ref!
Lundell: That’s three in the back of the head!
Edmond: That’s three... (unintelligible) Ten seconds! Ten seconds! (to another cornerman, referencing the stool) Get it ready, we’re ready! We’re ready!
Lundell: Watch the back of the head...
(Horn sounds as round ends)
Edmond: Come here. Travis, let’s sit. You ****ing listen to me, this mother****er ain’t got **** on you. Listen to me! I ****ing promise you this mother****er’s too slow for you, alright? Breathe.
Corner 3: Let the doc see that finger real quick - doc, check his finger. Make sure...
Ringside physician: I can’t do anything about that, if any of you guys want to pull on it you could...
Edmond: Breathe. You’re gonna win with that ****ing finger. Listen, don’t pull back like this. Left hook ****ing tight. Feel the ****ing ground. When he hits your legs he’s too soft. When he falls down you stop the takedown. Don’t worry about that. Don’t pull out, Travis. Fight solid, fight with heart. Sit down. Head movement, press and break this mother****er. Show your heart. You can do it. He’s too soft for you. I don’t wanna see that right cross touch you again. You stop him with your quick jab. Double jab when you’re moving forward. Tilt a little bit to your right, OK? And your left hook, right uppercut.
Athletic commission representative: OK, seconds out. Let’s go, let’s go, let’s go.
Edmond: Let’s go! You can do it.
Edmond: (To Werdum) You ****ing ain’t got ****, mother****er.
Edmond: Trav! Let’s go! Trav, ground. Baby, please! Knees, elbows, mix it!
Round 2
Edmond: Watch that right cross, step to your right! Good! Step to your right, right - watch that right cross. Jab. Don’t let him jump on you. Jab, step forward. He’s gonna show low, go high.
Lundell: Hey Trav, trust yourself! Let’s go!
(Browne lands a good counter left as Werdum lunges in to attack)
Edmond: (claps) Yes! Yes! That’s it, stay tight!
(Browne avoids a single-leg takedown)
Edmond: I told you! I told you! Right uppercut, please. Right hook, left uppercut, right uppercut. Finish out with knees or uppercuts. Solid 1-2, 1-2 solid.
(Werdum attempts a spinning headkick that gets him shoved off by Browne)
Lundell: (As Werdum is on the ground) Kick his leg! Yes! Kick it again.
Edmond: (With Werdum still on his back) Head kick! Head, ****ing why you wait... Travis! Right hook, left uppercut!
(Browne scrapes Werdum’s leg with a leg kick)
Edmond: Nice!
Lundell: He’s not on your level, Travis...
Edmond: Let’s go.
Lundell: Stay aggressive, keep going.
Edmond: You’re gonna beat this man... don’t (voice cracks). Don’t let it, hands up! You go 1-2.
(Travis throws a 1-2 combination that isn’t close, Werdum backs up)
Lundell: Yes, make him run from you. Pressure, make him run from you.
Edmond: Nice, I like what you’re doing. Jab low. Jab low, go high.
Lundell: Your attacks, your attacks...
Edmond: Travis, left hook, right uppercut. Left hook, right cross.
Lundell: He’s loading on the right side...
Edmond: Don’t wait... (to other cornerman) Tell him not to wait for the haymaker.
(Browne avoids a punch from Werdum)
Edmond: Yes, good.
Lundell: Haymaker! He keeps loading his left jab!
Edmond: Jab, go again. Long jab! Go, go - jab, jab... jab, jab...
Lundell: (overlap) ...lead on his left leg...
Edmond: Long jab... Jab to the, jab to the chest. Jab to chest. Hard jab to the chest! No, no, hard jab to the chest. Front low kick, too. Front.. jab to the chest.
Corner 3: Hard jab to the chest! Trav!
Edmond: Watch that right cross! Left hand HIGH! Left hand high.
Corner 3: Left hand up!
(Werdum lands a body kick)
Lundell: Catch that and drop him!
Edmond: Left hook, right cross, go... Come on, you first. First, Trav! Be first!
Lundell: Let’s go get him, now! Time to get aggressive and go get him again! You dictate. You dictate. Don’t think, just go.
Edmond: Go to the body, hard body. (To Lundell) Go to the body, say “go to the body“. Say “jab to the body, right cross.“
Lundell: Jab to the body, right cross. Go back to the knees!
Edmond: You gotta... left hand! Trust your left hand! There you go! On him. On him. Watch that right cross.
Lundell: You keep landing, just like that!
Edmond: I like how you take away the right cross! (To Lundell) Say “continue jab“.
Lundell: Continue jab!
Edmond: (After Browne lands another counter) That hurt him! That hurt him! ****in’ A! Yeah, you hurt him! (To Lundell) Say, “you hurt him”.
Lundell: You hurt him Trav, let’s go. He’s backing out.
(Browne lands another left hand)
Lundell: Nice. Beautiful! Way to go, Travis! Keep pressing him, keep pressing him.
Edmond: Jab, press forward. Watch the takedown. Watch the takedown
Lundell: He’s gonna look for that shot because he knows you’re gonna beat him up. He’s getting tired, Travis. Knees.
Edmond: Where is that counter? Come on?
(Browne lands a body shot)
Lundell: Yes, again! Go to the head, go body. Go to the head, go body.
Edmond: Nice. Nice. Where is it? Yes. Right hook. Short right hook. Jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, jab, long jab. Jab.
Lundell: Making him look amateur.
Edmond: Jab, headkick! Jab headkick!
Lundell: Keep going! He’s gonna look for the shot, keep going!
Edmond: He’s slow! Oh, my... oh, my god!
Lundell: Travis, you got him.
Edmond: Travis, he’s slow for you. Go. (To Lundell) Say “you’re winning the round“.
Lundell: You’re winning the round, keep pushing!
(Tarverdyan asks other cornermen to repeat this yet again)
(Both Lundell and Corner 3 overlapping) Trav, you’re winning the round!
Edmond: Right cross. Left hook, right cross. (to other cornermen) Jab, left hook, right cross. Right uppercut. Three shots, I said. Go.
Lundell: Three shots! (more overlap with corner 3)
(Werdum lands another inside leg kick)
Edmond: You kick. Back with the kick.
Lundell: OK, Travis - just jabs... He’s gonna come back hard next round.
Edmond: Jab, right uppercut.
(Lundell relays this to Browne)
Lundell: Breathe while you work...
Edmond: Say “you’re winning”.
(He’s not)
Edmond: Say “finish strong. Finish strong.“
Lundell: FINISH STRONG!
(Werdum gambles on another big front roll kick that misses the mark)
Lundell: Kick his leg! Hit him!
Edmond: You win the round.
(Horn blares, round over - Browne gets back to his stool)
Edmond: We won the round, baby. Try to keep the volume high, OK? Listen: I promise you, when you stay in your stance, you believe in yourself, you make him miss everything. Jab, touches all night. Jab to the chest a little bit, head jabs... When he tries to go down have an uppercut ready for me. Travis, first with the jab. Double jab, and then you can do whatever you want. Believe in yourself. Last round - you win, it’s yours! Get the **** up and do it, so we won’t ****ing cry later. Let’s go! Let’s go!
Lundell: He’s not on your level, Travis. He’s gonna come out hard, you gotta press forward the entire time.
Edmond: I don’t give a - **** your hand! **** this mother****er up, he’s good. Let’s go.
Lundell: Trav, I’ll tell you what to do. Coach’s voice is gone. Travis, time to press.
Round 3
Edmond: We’re dropping him. Jab, jab, jab, jab, low jab, to the chest.
Lundell: Low jab chest, come back up. He’s looking over your right hand, he keeps looking right hand. The Cordeiro third round special.
Edmond: Very nice. Jab, jab, low uppercut. Jab, jab... (to Lundell) Say “go, you go first, don’t wait.“ Say “go.“ Say “go.“
Lundell: Feint and go! Feint and go! There you go! Again. You’re gonna get him again.
Edmond: Say “feint and go.“
Lundell: Feint and go, baby. There you go Travis, keep moving.
Edmond: Jab, left hook, right hook, go right cross.
Lundell: Jab, left hook...
Edmond: On him!
Lundell: He’s coming over the top, that’s what he’s looking for.
Edmond: Travis, (to Lundell) say “busy.”
Lundell: Busy, Travis! Busy!
Edmond: Come on, left hook after that jab. Jab, left hook, right cross.
Lundell: He’s gonna look to shoot or go right hand
Edmond: Jab, left hook!
Lundell: That’s all he’s got Travis, keep looking right at— chop his leg when he acts like that.
Edmond: Jab, left hook!
Lundell: He’s acting like a punk, Travis. He’s acting like a punk. That’s what you do. Chop him when he does a punk [sic].
(Browne lands some leg kicks)
Lundell: Yes!
Edmond: Right cross, left uppercut...
Lundell: Left hand, right...
Edmond: Right cross, left uppercut.
Lundell: Right cross, left uppercut.
Edmond: Nice jab.
Corner 3: Right cross, left uppercut! Let’s go!
Lundell: Drive him back... go right through that stuff, hard, Travis!
Edmond: Go hard! Hard! Hard! Push yourself!
Corner3: Three minutes, Trav! Let’s go!
Lundell: Chop it!
Edmond: (possibly to other cornermen) We gotta win this round, so let’s go. (To Browne) Travis, we gotta drop him...
Lundell: Keep going, win the round...
Edmond: Win the round, baby. Let’s go, grab him. Let’s go, Trav. Nice. Nice! Back on the jab, two jabs.
Lundell: Two jabs, pull it out.
Edmond: Travis - left hook, right uppercut.
(Browne shucks off another single-leg takedown attempt from Werdum)
Lundell: Hey, right uppercut off that. Left hook, right uppercut.
Edmond: (to Lundell) Come on, tell him to go, go, go!
Corner 3: Left hook, right uppercut!
Edmond: Go, go. (To Lundell) Tell him “go, go”.
Corner 3: Keep pushing, Trav!
Edmond: Kick the legs, say “front ball kick to the legs“.
Lundell: Front ball kicks to the legs. Chops to the legs. Kick him long. There, keep him on it.
Edmond: On him, on him. Say “on him.“
(Lundell and Corner 3 overlap) Stay on him, Travis! Stay on him, Trav! Chop him. Chop his shins, chop his ankles. Chop his calves.
(after multiple feints from Browne)
Edmond: Say “Do it, do it - don’t wait, don’t hesitate.“
Lundell: Don’t wait!
Edmond: Don’t hesitate, say “don’t hesitate.“ Say “do it”.
Lundell: Trust yourself and go!
Edmond: How many minutes?
Lundell: Two-thirty, two-thirty.
Edmond: Say “halfway point“
Lundell: Halfway!
(Browne lands a punch)
Lundell: Nice! Bring it!
Corner 3: Keep throwing!
Lundell: Bring it to him! How bad do you want it?
Corner 3: Bring it to him!
Lundell: Keep your volume... there it is. Get into the zone, everything you’ve got.
Edmond: Watch... watch your head...
Lundell: Good, everything you’ve got.
Edmond: Say “ball kicks to the leg“. Nice. There we go, two jabs. Two jabs.
Lundell: Two jabs! Keep him going back! How bad do you want it?
Corner 3: Two minutes, Trav!
Lundell: Again, how bad do you want it, Trav?
(Werdum pushes forward and lands various strikes, clinches and throws knees.)
Edmond: Fight. Fight.
Lundell: Fight! Fight!
Edmond: Fight. Tell him ”fight, fight - jab, jab”.
Lundell: Trav, go get him.
Edmond: Jab, jab to the chest.
Lundell: It can’t get worse!
Edmond: (To Browne, who whiffs on an uppercut as Werdum goes low) Niiice.
Corner 3: One minute-thirty, Trav!
Lundell: It can’t get worse.
Edmond: Say “1-2 throw...”
(Browne lands some punches)
Lundell: YES! Again! It can’t get worse, go again! Let’s go! Travis, it can’t get worse, go again!
Edmond: Quick, break the distance. Go. Counter! Counter!
Lundell: It can’t get worse! Let’s go again, how bad do you want it? Go again!
(Browne lands another punch)
Edmond: Nice.
Lundell: Go again. How bad do you want it?
Edmond: Hard shot, say “hard shot!“
(All three overlap)
Corner 3: One minute!
Edmond: Watch the takedown, say “watch the takedown.” Say “watch the takedown.” Watch the takedown.
(Werdum appears to go for a flying scissor takedown, falls short.)
Edmond: (Growls in frustration) Ay, ay, ay...!
Lundell: He’s not on your level!
Corner 3: One minute, let’s go!
(More overlapping commands)
Lundell: Forty seconds, can’t get worse. Let’s go! Throw your right!
Edmond: Head kick! Nice! Keep working. Long! Long! Work long! Long work, that’s.. we’ll drop him.
Corner 3: Thirty seconds!
Edmond: Thirty seconds!
Lundell: Can’t get worse, go!
Edmond: I saw jumping knee - left jab, jumping knee!
(Yet more overlap)
Edmond: Jab left, jumping knee. Jab, jumping knee.
Lundell: Jab, jumping knee! Let’s go! Go! Ten seconds! Go! Throw your right hand. Throw it. Go, throw it again! Yes! Travis, way to go!
Edmond: Good, nice.
(Horn blares, fight over)
Edmond: Better round, better round. It’s yours, baby. Good work! You got (rounds) two and three! You got two and three. You got two and through -- you got two and three. See what your distance is starting to do? You just gotta work! Your distance is good. You’re making them miss now!
(Microphones come off)
Sadly, after all of this we don’t get to hear what it was that Tarverdyan and Werdum said to each other that led to the post-fight incident. Still, we have a look at what transpired minute-to-minute in the corner in attempts to help guide a fighter through their ordeals.0 -
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Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »Against accountants who started mma to lose weight a few years ago and women who have one dimensional training and are part time athletes for the most part.
Women's mma is still developing, it's not even as deep a talent pool as mens mma was in 1993 when the ufc started, you have very few actual mixed martial artists, you have judokas, journal jitsu players, wrestlers , kick boxers with rudimentary cross training for the most part.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be referring to particular fighters in the W's 135 class Rousey,Nunes,Tate,Holm. If I applied your terminology(again correct me if I'm wrong) to the rankings of another division and said for instance wrestler,Sambo guy,BJJ,TKD you should probably be able to identify the division and put names to those fighters
Buffer will always even announce fighters as such when its clear where their strengths lie e.g. "this man is a Ju-Jitsu fighter holding a professional record...".
If WMMA was in the UFC in 1993 you would probably have Rose Namajunas in there trying to submit Cyborg or sumthin' :pac::pac:0 -
Wrongway1985 wrote: »Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be referring to particular fighters in the W's 135 class Rousey,Nunes,Tate,Holm. If I applied your terminology(again correct me if I'm wrong) to the rankings of another division and said for instance wrestler,Sambo guy,BJJ,TKD you should probably be able to identify the division and put names to those fighters
Buffer will always even announce fighters as such when its clear where their strengths lie e.g. "this man is a Ju-Jitsu fighter holding a professional record...".
If WMMA was in the UFC in 1993 you would probably have Rose Namajunas in there trying to submit Cyborg or sumthin' :pac::pac:
Everyone in mens MMA, except some of the very young guys, will have a fundimental base that they work from.
For Conor it's boxing, for Nick and Nate Diaz it's Boxing and BJJ, for Woodley it's Wrestling.
But in the mens game the days of relying completely on one style is almost completely dead unless your name is Damien Maia and all elite men have extensive cross training in the other areas. The wrestlers up their bjj game and improve their boxing and muay thai. The bjj guys had to learn how to strike and stop takedowns, the strikers had to figure out how to stay on their fight and how to defend on the ground, etc.
In women's MMA it's still as such a rudimentary level with such a shallow pool of talent that one area if done well will still get you by a lot of the time.
It is slowly changing and more rounded fighters are starting to pop up but right now you still have a situation where the two best women at 115 are essentially just world class Muay Thai fighters who have some basic takedown defence and as a result the chasing pack of grappling focused girls can't grind them down and the other strikers aren't good enough to stand with them.
There are exceptions and eventually it will be more rounded, but they are few and far between and Ronda isn't one of them.
Cyborg is, Nunes to an extent is in that her striking as very good and her ground game is nasty. Holms is in that her defensive wrestling is very good and her boxing is great.
It's not that long ago in mens MMA when specialist wrestlers were able to lay and prey and get decision or stopage wins and win belts left right and centre. It's not that long ago that BJJ players were able to roll people into balls and get easy wins over bigger guys. But those days are gone in mens MMA now. A single specialisation won't win you a title. Wonder boy only got to where is now because he was able to work with Ryan Hall and Chris Weidman on his defensive wrestling and BJJ so his fear or takedowns is less.
Maia only got back to the level he's at because he worked with really good wrestlers to develop his top pressure game and improved his striking enough that his opponents actually have to respect him on the feat instead of just stuffing takedowns.
Ronda until recently it was just go out, grab a head and arm, throw, get side control or mount and work an arm bar, boom, done.
That won't work against the handful of more rounded 135 women anymore, just like the gracies started losing to more rounded fighters in the late 90's and early 2000's and the wrestlers started getting lit up and having their double leg shots stuffed after that and eventually someone will figure out a way to put Joanna on her back and ruin her one dimensional game too.0 -
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