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General MMA Chat/News mk2

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    #7232
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    As others have said his reason for turning down the fight isn't as straight forward as he just doesn't want to fight TJ. When you look at the reasons he gave, he was seriously messed about by the UFC, it makes perfect sense him turning it down.

    Remember he wanted to fight Cody long before this TJ situation

    That's where I have a problem with Mighty Mouse's comments.

    He's saying:

    1. He wants to fight Borg because he doesn't believe it's fair for TJ to skip the line.

    and

    2. He would fight Cody at 135lbs and skip that line.

    Effectively, if it suits him he's in favour of skipping lines AND if he's going to fight Cody it'll be not his belt or record on the line.

    Very hypocritical imo. He's either against line-skipping or he's in favour of it.

    I'd have much preferred DJ to be honest and say "Listen I want the easier fight to break the record".


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    #7233
    Fromvert
    Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    This whole TJ fight would get him PPV money is complete bull****. TJ sells zip just like MM. Them fighting isn't all of a sudden going to do 300k/400k/500k PPV so he's not going to be getting much PPV as you need to get over a threshold for it even to start. They probably wouldn't even hit that.

    TJ's two PPV headlining events

    UFC 173 - 215k
    UFC 177 - 125k

    It's not going to get the casual fans who bump up PPV numbers interested. We'd love it but that's it.


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    #7234
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users Posts: 6,376 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    CatFromHue wrote: »

    Remember he wanted to fight Cody long before this TJ situation

    Cody was the fight he wanted apparently but that was never realistically on the table. Cody won title in December, TUF announced in January with the coaches fighting, with MM fighting in April just gone bit of an exaggeration to say he wanted that fight for a long time me thinks.

    When TJ was champ he defended with an opponent change 24 hours before fight. Not saying it's ideal but he did it.


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    #7235
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Who says it has to be the main event? Have it co main on a tacked card.


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    #7236
    MartyMcFly84
    Registered Users Posts: 1,326 ✭✭✭MartyMcFly84


    TJ and MM separately are not big draw. Thats why putting them together is a good call, its a super fight and could be marketed as such. It would be good for both their careers and get much more attention than either of them fighting separately.

    Its a good fight for the UFC and both fighters. Doesn't really matter how it came about. Same weight, two arms and legs like everyone else.


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    #7237
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,169 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    wonderfullife wrote: »
    That's where I have a problem with Mighty Mouse's comments.

    He's saying:

    1. He wants to fight Borg because he doesn't believe it's fair for TJ to skip the line.

    and

    2. He would fight Cody at 135lbs and skip that line.

    Effectively, if it suits him he's in favour of skipping lines AND if he's going to fight Cody it'll be not his belt or record on the line.

    Very hypocritical imo. He's either against line-skipping or he's in favour of it.

    I'd have much preferred DJ to be honest and say "Listen I want the easier fight to break the record".

    Super fights are between champs, yeah?

    So TJ not being the champ doesn't make it a super fight. I would think that Champs get much more lee way to move division. Say when Cerrone moved up after losing to RDA he didn't move straight up against the top guys.

    If only TJ had an interim belt :pac:


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    #7238
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users Posts: 6,376 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    Fromvert wrote: »
    This whole TJ fight would get him PPV money is complete bull****. TJ sells zip just like MM. Them fighting isn't all of a sudden going to do 300k/400k/500k PPV so he's not going to be getting much PPV as you need to get over a threshold for it even to start. They probably wouldn't even hit that.

    TJ's two PPV headlining events

    UFC 173 - 215k
    UFC 177 - 125k

    It's not going to get the casual fans who bump up PPV numbers interested. We'd love it but that's it.

    Very unfair these cards were massively watered down. 2 cards fell to bits and the batamweight title wasn't meant to headline either in a very rough period for the UFC; promotion for UFC 177 wasn't helped either due to it's preceding numbered event being canned altogether.


    UFC 173 he wasn't even the scheduled opponent for Barao
    UFC 177 Barao was his scheduled opponent

    UFC 174 that had no major changes and headlined by MM in between those did 115k

    The fight was to be offered to serve as the dance partner to Jones/DC anyway not headline outright; it's a certainty it would be his biggest payday.


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    #7239
    wonderfullife
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,924 ✭✭✭wonderfullife


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Super fights are between champs, yeah?

    So TJ not being the champ doesn't make it a super fight. I would think that Champs get much more lee way to move division. Say when Cerrone moved up after losing to RDA he didn't move straight up against the top guys.

    If only TJ had an interim belt :pac:

    Ha yeah and they hand those interim belts out like sweets these days!

    My point was more if it's a matter of principle against skipping the line, then it shouldn't matter if it's going up or going down in weight.

    The reality is Mighty Mouse only has a problem if it's a tougher competitor coming down in weight to skip the line. He has no problem going up in weight and skipping those lines.


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    #7240
    CatFromHue
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,169 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    I would make exceptions for the Champ in each division.


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    #7241
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I would make exceptions for the Champ in each division.

    I would too. If everyone wants MM to move up to 135 who else would he fight but the champ. You don't get many current champs that want to move up in weight and fight the best so why not? I get that he would be skipping but surely his cv over the last 5 or so years affords him this special treatment just once.


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    #7242
    Wrongway1985
    Registered Users Posts: 6,376 ✭✭✭Wrongway1985


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I would make exceptions for the Champ in each division.

    I'd be with it for MM how could you not?? case to be made in other divs perhaps

    Everyone is pushing the boat out a little...

    Cody just champ hasn't fought 13 of top 15 in the silly rankings.

    Bisping to fight DC or Woodley ffs no! (bad enough they made exception for GSP)


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    #7243
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    BJ PENN classics on BT sports one now


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    #7244
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    Anyone setting up a thread for this weekend's card?


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    #7245
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Anyone setting up a thread for this weekend's card?

    What time does it start at ?


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    #7246
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    ricero wrote:
    What time does it start at ?


    Not sure if that's a terrible attempt at being funny, but prelims 1am main card 3am.


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    #7247
    EagererBeaver
    Registered Users Posts: 6,516 ✭✭✭EagererBeaver


    ricero wrote: »
    What time does it start at ?

    Great work :):)


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    #7248
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Not sure if that's a terrible attempt at being funny, but prelims 1am main card 3am.

    No attempt just asking sir. Why dont you set it up ?


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    #7249
    Ultimate Seduction
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,464 ✭✭✭Ultimate Seduction


    ricero wrote:
    No attempt just asking sir. Why dont you set it up ?


    Seen many people get hassle for setting up threads because they're not Paully. I couldn't make a decent one on my phone anyway.


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    #7250
    Swashbuckler
    Registered Users Posts: 6,582 ✭✭✭Swashbuckler


    Paully is on sabbatical. Those days are gone.


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    #7251
    mailburner
    Registered Users Posts: 23,896 ✭✭✭✭mailburner


    Ultimate Seduction wrote: »
    Anyone setting up a thread for this weekend's card?

    take it easy on me :P

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057750694


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    #7252
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Goldie & Mauro Ranello have signed with bellator.


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    #7253
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    ASOT wrote: »
    Goldie & Mauro Ranello have signed with bellator.

    Very good il enjoy listening to them


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    #7254
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    Jon Jones mother died, strong chance his fight with Cormier will be cancelled again im guessing.


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    #7255
    kwestfan08
    Registered Users Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭kwestfan08


    ASOT wrote: »
    Goldie & Mauro Ranello have signed with bellator.

    They're hardly going to be a pairing if they're both play by play guys are they?


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    #7256
    ricero
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,348 ✭✭✭✭ricero


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Jon Jones mother died, strong chance his fight with Cormier will be cancelled again im guessing.

    No chance. Awful thing to happen but plenty of time for him to focus on the fight


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    #7257
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,736 ✭✭✭ASOT


    kwestfan08 wrote: »
    They're hardly going to be a pairing if they're both play by play guys are they?

    Both down for the new york card anyway.


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    #7258
    Gamebred
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 7,269 ✭✭✭Gamebred


    ricero wrote: »
    No chance. Awful thing to happen but plenty of time for him to focus on the fight


    Wouldnt say no chance now, can effect different people in different ways no matter how big a star they are.


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    #7259
    tinpib
    Registered Users Posts: 4,495 ✭✭✭tinpib


    Does anyone know is the new scoring system being used in UFC Singapore this Saturday?


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    #7260
    Dtp1979
    Registered Users Posts: 12,821 ✭✭✭✭Dtp1979


    Gamebred wrote: »
    Wouldnt say no chance now, can effect different people in different ways no matter how big a star they are.

    That's true. I remember back in the day, Michael and ralf Schumacher lost their mother. The very next day they raced, and finished 1st and 2nd


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    #7261
    jcd5971
    Registered Users Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭jcd5971


    this is great news, i love goldie hope it works out well for him, actually might watch a few shows now.


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