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Django99

ricero wrote: »

The 217 press conferance is a good laugh so far. Bispings comment about freddie roach was hilarious

Bit short lived in the end the media were very poor with the questions. Bisping, Gardbrant and Dillashaw all seemed to be prepared to talk a bit more.

Richard tea

Lads am I going blind? Is there no UFC 216 thread? if not, why not? Seems to be a few decent fights.

qwabercd

Quite stupid but anyone who sets one up that isn't in the correct format gets dogs abuse. Which means no thread gets set up these days until awful late because people are waiting for one poster to start it.

Zero-Cool

I gave it a crack, please don't flame me

0byme75341jo28

ricero wrote: »

The 217 press conferance is a good laugh so far. Bispings comment about freddie roach was hilarious

I spent the whole thing cringing. Bisping tries too hard, GSP can barely speak English, and TJ/Cody gym arguments got boring after the first episode of TUF.

0byme75341jo28

ricero wrote: »

The 217 press conferance is a good laugh so far. Bispings comment about freddie roach was hilarious

I spent the whole thing cringing. Bisping tries too hard, GSP can barely speak English, and TJ/Cody gym arguments got boring after the first episode of TUF.

Paully D

And once again Dana manages to ruin what was a positive. :rolleyes:

This time, he had a meltdown over Jason Aldean, the singer that was on stage when the shooting in Vegas started, turning the UFC down to play Saturday Night Live.

"His image was more important then coming back to Vegas and playing for the people who are his fans and who got shot watching him play," White says.

"F*ck you Jason Aldean. Stay out of Vegas."

White says he also reached out to several country music stars -- telling us, "Country music was attacked. Those were country music fans."

White says every single country act turned him down.

"Those are people who buy your albums and none of you country music people could sing the anthem in front of survivors and 1st responders?"

Funny that he didn't mention the fact the only reason they had 1,500 first responders there was because they couldn't shift the tickets in the first place.

Zero-Cool

Stay classy Dana.

Fromvert

Or that country music guy was playing on Saturday Night Live instead :rolleyes:

EagererBeaver

Dana is a bully used to getting his way. No surprises any now when he has his little hissy fits.

Zero-Cool

This is fuuuuucked up. Like an old man being led up to the scales.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/10/9/16443544/mma-fighter-dragged-onto-stage-to-weigh-in-allowed-to-fight-pancrase

Whelo79

Zero-Cool wrote: »

This is fuuuuucked up. Like an old man being led up to the scales.

https://www.mmafighting.com/2017/10/9/16443544/mma-fighter-dragged-onto-stage-to-weigh-in-allowed-to-fight-pancrase

That's a ****ing disgrace. How can so many people stand around and let that happen? How can his team allow him to go up there and for the fight to go ahead. Shameful.

D'Agger

If fighters get fined and banned for enhancing performance then surely there should be some sort of way to punish a promotion for allowing a fight to go ahead when a fighter is severely handicapped like in that instance.

Disgraceful that Lima was allowed to fight after that, given he missed weight. The promotion and his team should be ashamed of themselves and count themselves lucky he didn't seriously injure himself in the bout

MartyMcFly84

There are a few parties at fault here. Number one is the fighter, two his coaches and 3 the promotions medical staff and 4 the promotion itself. All parties failed in their duties and its sad to see this level of irresponsibility around in the modern game.

The who thing stank of people who had no idea what they were doing. Making him weigh in 3 times when they should have been getting him medical attention.

John_D80

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

There are a few parties at fault here. Number one is the fighter, two his coaches and 3 the promotions medical staff and 4 the promotion itself. All parties failed in their duties and its sad to see this level of irresponsibility around in the modern game.

The who thing stank of people who had no idea what they were doing. Making him weigh in 3 times when they should have been getting him medical attention.

Would have to disagree with you where you say the fighter is at fault. He’s a competitor, an athlete, a sportsman trying to earn a living. He or any fighter in that situation could very well be under the delusion that he knows his own body well enough to declare himself fit to fight. A fighter will rarely withdraw himself from a contest.

Giving a fighter responsibility for making serious decisions on his own health sets a dangerous precedent. By the same token he can not be held at fault either.

Fault lies with the promoter for not having appropriately qualified independent medical personnel to make decisions on fighters health and dangers to same.

Mellor

John_D80 wrote: »

Fault lies with the promoter for not having appropriately qualified independent medical personnel to make decisions on fighters health and dangers to same.

There was a doctor. They (apparently) said he'd have to pass a medical the following day. which presumably he did

MartyMcFly84

Would have to disagree with you where you say the fighter is at fault. He’s a competitor, an athlete, a sportsman trying to earn a living. He or any fighter in that situation could very well be under the delusion that he knows his own body well enough to declare himself fit to fight. A fighter will rarely withdraw himself from a contest.

Giving a fighter responsibility for making serious decisions on his own health sets a dangerous precedent. By the same token he can not be held at fault either.

Fault lies with the promoter for not having appropriately qualified independent medical personnel to make decisions on fighters health and dangers to same.

He is a grown man, of course he is responsible for his own health. He accepted the fight at an agreed weight and failed to take the appropriate steps to make weight in the proceeding weeks for whatever reasons.

Everyone is first and foremost responsible for themselves and their own health and well being. He is not a child

CurryFlavoured

It won't be long before we see more fatal injuries, and I'd imagine we'll see long lasting effects after fighting. Off the top of my head in the UFC - Gastelum passed out while cutting and still fought against Woodley, Aldo almost passed out and fought (and looked like death consistently up until a few years ago), Barao passed out and decided to not fight, Khabib had to go to the hospital. There are at least a handful of dangerous weight cuts on every UFC card I'd say, last week I'd imagine Kevin Lee put his body through hell to make 155.

This type of cutting brings your resting HR unnaturally high and puts savage pressure on your organs.

MartyMcFly84

I am not sure how they can tackle the weight cutting issue.

The introduction of more weight classes is one option. However as a fan I think it dilutes the sport having so many champions. Perhaps every 10lbs or so would work.

The other options would involve a much greater organisational and admin work for the promotions and fighter weights are measured throughout the year. That they have to stay within 15lbs (example) of their fight weight throughout the year or else loose the ability to fight in the lighter weight class and have to move up.

Open to hearing other solutions.

EagererBeaver

More weight classes won't do the job - fighters will still try to cut to get the advantage. Has to be around regular weight checks and mandatory move ups if they go above a threshold. Admin costs will go through the roof so I imagine Dana would be dead set against it.

John_D80

MartyMcFly84 wrote: »

He is a grown man, of course he is responsible for his own health. He accepted the fight at an agreed weight and failed to take the appropriate steps to make weight in the proceeding weeks for whatever reasons.

Everyone is first and foremost responsible for themselves and their own health and well being. He is not a child

Unfortunately it’s not as cut and dry as that.

Grown man or not, he is in no way, shape or form qualified to make decisions on his own physical health in the condition he was in.

And in that debilitated state he should not be held at fault.

John_D80

Mellor wrote: »

There was a doctor. They (apparently) said he'd have to pass a medical the following day. which presumably he did

Then the procedures and standards need to be amended. Still the fault lies with the promoters.

Ultimate Seduction

Why can't fighters be weighed as they enter the octagon? You must be on weight in the ring. No weight cuts atall.

AlmightyCushion

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Why can't fighters be weighed as they enter the octagon? You must be on weight in the ring. No weight cuts atall.

People will still cut weight to get an advantage. They'll go into the octagon dehydrated and would be more likely to get badly hurt as a result.

Tazzimus

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Why can't fighters be weighed as they enter the octagon? You must be on weight in the ring. No weight cuts atall.

Presumably as you'd have idiots still cutting weight and entering the octagon severely dehydrated.

It's why they introduced early weigh ins, to try avoid that situation.

cletus

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Why can't fighters be weighed as they enter the octagon? You must be on weight in the ring. No weight cuts atall.

Because people will cut for the fight, just like they cut for the weigh ins

Ultimate Seduction

But there would be no advantage? You'd still be the same weight as the guy your fighting. Dehydrating yourself would just hinder your performance

Ultimate Seduction

cletus wrote:

Because people will cut for the fight, just like they cut for the weigh ins

Yeah, because they rehydrate after weigh ins and put on 20lbs before the fight. What I'm suggesting is to be weighd entering the octagon on fight night. You can't rehydrate

Ultimate Seduction

Tazzimus wrote:

It's why they introduced early weigh ins, to try avoid that situation.

Early weigh ins make it worse imo. More time to rehydrate so fighters are cutting more weight

AlmightyCushion

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

But there would be no advantage? You'd still be the same weight as the guy your fighting. Dehydrating yourself would just hinder your performance

They'll be the same weight in the octagon but by dehydrating they can carry more muscle and hit harder.