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Lukker-

Looks like the Yoel's ban was overturned.

Does that mean he gets a title shot?

https://www.instagram.com/p/BBbeL-rsB8l/

ASOT

There's something not right with the romero thing at all, they don't just pick up a designer drug for no reason.....

Davei141

Glad Romero is back in the picture. Why didn't they wait till the B sample came back before making the title fight? I wish they would scrap the Weidman rematch now but that wont happen.

Devastator

Devastator wrote: »

So lukker, just to confirm. You think the UFC are paying off(employing,call it what you like) journalists to keep certain fighters down the rankings because the UFC don't want to offer them a new bigger contract AND UFC are paying off(again....etc) judges so preferred fighters get decisions?

hahahaha I love a good aul conspiracy therory but thats a pretty wild line of thinking. Why watch UFC if you think this? Be aswell switching to WWE

Lukker- wrote: »

I think a large portion of the people who vote aren't journalists or the UFC can choose to interpret the results how they want. How else could you explain Dennis Siver getting a 4 place ranking boost just before fighting Conor even though he hadn't fought for 8 months?

They did the same with Holm, she moved up the rankings after every event leading up to her vs Rousey even though she didn't fight.

There is no way in my mind that this is impartial, every move suites there agenda too much.

I dunno, is that a confirmation or not Are you a politician lukker? What about the judges?

Your posts regarding this just read very anti UFC with some straws being grasped at to "back up" your point. You've went from low rankings to screw Bendo to something about Siver against CMcG. I think you're right, this is in your mind but thats it! Seeing as your the 1 thinking there is some conspiracy why don't you explain to the rest of us about Siver or Holm because I don't understand your point at all. Maybe if you can offer up some evidence to your claims instead of just claiming agendas and underhand dealings then your arguement will have more substance.

As I said earlier I don't think rankings matter apart from maybe the top 5 and nobody pays much(any) attention to them anyway so the UFC paying people to 'fix'the rankings seems a ridiculous waste of time and money nevermind far fetched.

Davei141

If you don't think the UFC doesn't influence rankings you are being naive.

ASOT

Davei141 wrote: »

Glad Romero is back in the picture. Why didn't they wait till the B sample came back before making the title fight? I wish they would scrap the Weidman rematch now but that wont happen.

Why should they scrap the weidman rematch? Romero arguably lost to Jacare anyway didn't deserve a title fight regardless of weidman rematch or not.

Davei141

ASOT wrote: »

Why should they scrap the weidman rematch? Romero arguably lost to Jacare anyway didn't deserve a title fight regardless of weidman rematch or not.

Yeah and Weidman didn't arguably lose to Rockhold. He got pummeled into next week. Romero almost finishing Jacare and winning a decision is far more impressive than Weidmans showing vs Rockhold.

ASOT

Davei141 wrote: »

Yeah and Weidman didn't arguably lose to Rockhold. He got pummeled into next week. Romero almost finishing Jacare and winning a decision is far more impressive than Weidmans showing vs Rockhold.

There's were both pretty terrible showings and neither were deserving of a title shot imo. Nearly finishing someone and going on to nearly lose a decision shouldn't earn you a title shot. He nearly got finished by Tim Kennedy so by that logic Tim should get a shot a Rockhold. It's a weak division and neither should be fighting for the belt but a Weidman rematch makes more sense.

Davei141

ASOT wrote: »

There's were both pretty terrible showings and neither were deserving of a title shot imo. Nearly finishing someone and going on to nearly lose a decision shouldn't earn you a title shot. He nearly got finished by Tim Kennedy so by that logic Tim should get a shot a Rockhold. It's a weak division and neither should be fighting for the belt but a Weidman rematch makes more sense.

Some serious mental gymnastics right there. Getting TKO'd is the same as winning a decision? and What are you on about Tim Kennedy for? I get it you don't like Romero.

Lukker-

Devastator wrote: »

I dunno, is that a confirmation or not Are you a politician lukker? What about the judges?

Your posts regarding this just read very anti UFC with some straws being grasped at to "back up" your point. You've went from low rankings to screw Bendo to something about Siver against CMcG. I think you're right, this is in your mind but thats it! Seeing as your the 1 thinking there is some conspiracy why don't you explain to the rest of us about Siver or Holm because I don't understand your point at all. Maybe if you can offer up some evidence to your claims instead of just claiming agendas and underhand dealings then your arguement will have more substance.

As I said earlier I don't think rankings matter apart from maybe the top 5 and nobody pays much(any) attention to them anyway so the UFC paying people to 'fix'the rankings seems a ridiculous waste of time and money nevermind far fetched.

No I don't think they are paying off journalists. I think they can choose to interpret results as they wish.

Don't see how that is hard to understand.

Any the rankings should absolutely mean something. You say only the top 5 matter and at this stage I agree with you but how does one break into the top 5? You have to climb the top 15. So it's ridiculous having having bullsh*t rankings that don't mean anything when it's a fighters passage to a title shot.

I'm asking you why would any reputable journalist bump Dennis Siver 4 places a few weeks before his fight against Conor? Other then it looks better for the UFC to have Conor fight someone with a higher ranking.

How would you explain things like that in a supposedly democratic ranking system?

Lenin Skynard

Romero is like the Michael Lowry of MMA at this point.

smilerf

On the note of rankings. How did Benson Henderson fall so much. His only loss was a very iffy decision against Cowboy

Devastator

Lukker- wrote: »

No I don't think they are paying off journalists. I think they can choose to interpret results as they wish.

Don't see how that is hard to understand.

Any the rankings should absolutely mean something. You say only the top 5 matter and at this stage I agree with you but how does one break into the top 5? You have to climb the top 15. So it's ridiculous having having bullsh*t rankings that don't mean anything when it's a fighters passage to a title shot.

I'm asking you why would any reputable journalist bump Dennis Siver 4 places a few weeks before his fight against Conor? Other then it looks better for the UFC to have Conor fight someone with a higher ranking.

How would you explain things like that in a supposedly democratic ranking system?

Interpret results? Who? The journalists? Well thats what they're there for?!?! They are paid by a paper/website for their opinions and to report it back. They're entitled to interpret a fight how they wish, thats the exact same as you or me.

I agree the rankings should mean something, but they don't which was my point. I think you said yourself yesterday the rankings were a joke, right? Everybody seems to think that, from Dana White down through fighters to us fans. Thats why I said probably probably only top 5 get looked at because thats when a fighter will think they're in title contention.

I'm not answering your Siver question because I don't see what relevance it has to the original discussion(you claiming the UFC moved Bendo down to give him a lower contract). Also I'm not a journalist or 1 of these people who decide the rankings so I can not answer for what their opinion is.

Can you explain how the UFC are making decisions on who is ranked where? Thats what your original claim was, which I don't understand.

SureYWouldntYa

smilerf wrote: »

On the note of rankings. How did Benson Henderson fall so much. His only loss was a very iffy decision against Cowboy

Getting KO'd by RDA pushed him down

CurryFlavoured

The Romero thing is dodgy, and I still don't believe he's clean. If he is I'd like to him fight Rockhold though.

CurryFlavoured

I think Weidman and Rockhold are the 2 top dogs but best scenario for me is probably Jacare getting the next shot (thought that fight was a draw, and he's clean). Don't like these constant immediate rematches.

That_Guy

Davei141 wrote: »

If you don't think the UFC doesn't influence rankings you are being naive.

Everyone knows the rankings are complete crap but I'm pretty sure that nowadays they're there to add to Fox Sports promos for upcoming fights.

"#5 ranked fighter takes on #3 ranked fighter in a fight that will have upcoming title implications"

It just sells the fight to viewers watching on that channel I think.

Paully D

5 years ago today. A shame now to think one was definitely juicing and the other probably was.

Gamb!t

Some fights coming up in April.
Jones v Cormier
Khabib v Ferguson
http://www.ufc.com/news/Cormier-Jones-rematch-johnson-cejudo-set-for-UFC-197-in-Las-Vegas

riffmongous

Paully D wrote: »

5 years ago today. A shame now to think one was definitely juicing and the other probably was.

It does not feel like 5 years!

Foxtrol

Lukker- wrote: »

On the rankings, that's the UFC's way of sending him a message about a new contract.

He is absolutely top 3 or 4 in the LW division and probably top 10 WW, but that never materialised.

His only losses are against the former champ, the current champ and Cowboy who went on to be #1 contender and frankly the Cowboy decision was an absolute joke, that was Bendo's fight every day of the week.

Everyone knows the UFC rankings are a joke. He may not be fan favoruite but he is absolutely someone who can challenge

I missed this tin foil hat response.

Sure the rankings dont mean much but your ranking of him at LW are just as bad as the real ones. He has recent losses to the champ, #3, #4, I'd definitely rank Khabib and Ferguson ahead of him, Alverez is debatable and that doesn't even include Conor. I think your anti UFC bias is creeping into your thinking.

UFC can't be held over the barrel to every guy who may challenge down the line, especially when they're 2/3/4 wins from a title shot. It would be total economic stupidity.

DrPhilG

Lukker- wrote: »

Or maybe Gay Jesus can piss into wine.

I'm guessing you meant TURN piss into wine.

Otherwise that's a bizarre mental image.

Devastator

DrPhilG wrote: »

I'm guessing you meant TURN piss into wine.

Otherwise that's a bizarre mental image.

I dunno, he's made some other crazy unjustified claims in this thread so he could have meant it :eek:


Rothwell & JDS have been confirmed as the headliner for UFC Croatia. I think it could be a great fight

Tubbs4

http://mmajunkie.com/2016/02/ufc-197-headliner-jon-jones-cited-for-driving-without-a-license-due-in-court-wednesday

Bones turning his life around. Only getting a small bit of trouble this time by driving without a license.

Really hope he isn't pulled from the fight.

riffmongous

The guy must be thick, seriously, how hard can it be to just ring a ****ing taxi?

weemcd

Quite incredible how Jones behaves. He has a superiority complex and feels the rules don't apply to him. Cannot keep his nose out of trouble. There was him driving his car into a tree drunk after leaving a stripclub, then there was his crash where he left the scene and now this. There was also that very suspect picture on Instagram a few weeks ago that showed a baggie that could have contained coke in it on his kitchen counter - not proven of course.

He won't, but he should go to jail for this.

riffmongous

weemcd wrote: »

Quite incredible how Jones behaves. He has a superiority complex and feels the rules don't apply to him. Cannot keep his nose out of trouble. There was him driving his car into a tree drunk after leaving a stripclub, then there was his crash where he left the scene and now this. There was also that very suspect picture on Instagram a few weeks ago that showed a baggie that could have contained coke in it on his kitchen counter - not proven of course.

He won't, but he should go to jail for this.

He nose he'll get away with it, and he's right too

ASOT

Il tell yous something lads I wouldn't want a kick of Rogan anyway. Reminds me of the other video where he's teaching gsp!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gw-nx0AsHng

stephenl15

From the Independent in England. Very very poor.

Paully D

Devastator wrote: »

Rothwell & JDS have been confirmed as the headliner for UFC Croatia. I think it could be a great fight

Woohoo, Struve v Bigfoot for us Rotterdam attenders while Zagreb get this!

Whelo79

stephenl15 wrote: »

From the Independent in England. Very very poor.

Jesus that's just woeful. Why even bother attempt to report on something if you don't have the slightest clue about it?

Devastator

That newspaper clipping is absolutely ridiculous :mad: That must have let their badmington reporter do a UFC write up :rolleyes: Hendricks lost his WW title....WTF? Sums it up without talking about everything else wrong with it.

Paully D wrote: »

Woohoo, Struve v Bigfoot for us Rotterdam attenders while Zagreb get this!

Hopefully not Paully. With the amount of Dutch(past & present) UFC fighters they really need to put on something better than Struve/Bigfoot...unless they're thinking they'll get enough fans because of the popularity there without having to put on a big main event. Reem against Miocic maybe as a no1 contender fight. Or maybe Reem against Arlovski/Barnett. I know its wrong to presume but I don't see what sense there is for not putting Overeem on the card

ASOT

Dan hardy was ripping into the author and he said it was a slight factual error hahahaha

Devastator

ASOT wrote: »

Dan hardy was ripping into the author and he said it was a slight factual error hahahaha

:eek: theres more ****e in that article than there would be if I wiped my big hairy arse with it

ASOT

Looks like Romero blew his load a bit to early by the sounds of things.

https://twitter.com/jeremybotter/status/696814029902221312

CurryFlavoured

stephenl15 wrote: »

From the Independent in England. Very very poor.

That is honestly the stupidest thing I've ever read.

ASOT

CurryFlavoured wrote: »

That is honestly the stupidest thing I've ever read.

His reaction to the article criticism was even worse, the mind boggles.

Mellor

ASOT wrote: »

His reaction to the article criticism was even worse, the mind boggles.

He's done a swift 180 on that one.

https://twitter.com/TeddyCutler/status/696811087895908352

https://twitter.com/TeddyCutler/status/696812917421961217

https://twitter.com/TeddyCutler/status/696826621802737664

https://twitter.com/TeddyCutler/status/696827429839622148

ASOT

Mellor wrote: »

He's done a swift 180 on that one.

https://twitter.com/TeddyCutler/status/696811087895908352

https://twitter.com/TeddyCutler/status/696812917421961217

https://twitter.com/TeddyCutler/status/696826621802737664

https://twitter.com/TeddyCutler/status/696827429839622148

Went back and forth with fans for a bit until he eventually retracted it, seems a bit simple.

Mellor

He's only 14 to be fair

CurryFlavoured

So he wrote an article criticising a whole sport that (as he admits himself) he hasn't a clue about, based on one fight.

martyos121

Anyone that writes those type of articles about the sport should all suffer the same fate.

Flown over to Jackson-Wink and put through the shark tank against some of the best strikers in MMA.

Paully D

Mickey Gall is 2/5 favourite vs CM Punk. Punk is a best priced 2/1.

I thought Gall would be a much stronger favourite (1/5 ish).

Gamebred

cm punk is nearly 40 a complete white belt rookie training mma about a year,I dont see him lasting 3 minutes with Gall,the jackson fight showed nothing really but Gall is competent enough so ill be taking my chances on Gall first round.

Dtp1979

Gamebred wrote: »

cm punk is nearly 40 a complete white belt rookie training mma about a year,I dont see him lasting 3 minutes with Gall,the jackson fight showed nothing really but Gall is competent enough so ill be taking my chances on Gall first round.

Eh punk is a former world wresting champion. I think you're forgetting punks wrestling credentials. I'm gonna put a few hundred on punk.
Gall will be lucky not to get thrown out of the cage or get a chair across the head.

martyos121

Dtp1979 wrote: »

Eh punk is a former world wresting champion. I think you're forgetting punks wrestling credentials. I'm gonna put a few hundred on punk.
Gall will be lucky not to get thrown out of the cage or get a chair across the head.

Even as a big pro-wrestling fan, I'll admit that is some funny shît!

I will be saving hard until the fight and putting a huge lump on Gall to win in round 1, because that is how certain I am of the result. As a big fan of CM Punk, I'm delighted for him to get this chance to live out another dream of his, but he knows himself it's a one-and-done, but of course he'd be stupid to say that before he fights.

The most hardcore MMA fans can criticise him all they want (I'm referring to Sherdog people here, not any of ye), but he has more balls than anyone going out in front of thousands and almost certainly being outclassed and embarrassed. Best of luck to him.

Gamebred

martyos121 wrote: »

Even as a big pro-wrestling fan, I'll admit that is some funny shît!

I will be saving hard until the fight and putting a huge lump on Gall to win in round 1, because that is how certain I am of the result. As a big fan of CM Punk, I'm delighted for him to get this chance to live out another dream of his, but he knows himself it's a one-and-done, but of course he'd be stupid to say that before he fights.

The most hardcore MMA fans can criticise him all they want (I'm referring to Sherdog people here, not any of ye), but he has more balls than anyone going out in front of thousands and almost certainly being outclassed and embarrassed. Best of luck to him.

If he was fighting for nothing on an amauter I'd agree but if you offered anyone a few million to have a fight in the octagon they would dive on it,hes getting the best training too,I respect him but I have more respect for the people fighting for peanuts on local shows.

Mellor

Paully D wrote: »

Mickey Gall is 2/5 favourite vs CM Punk. Punk is a best priced 2/1.

I thought Gall would be a much stronger favourite (1/5 ish).

Have any Irish bookies got this priced yet? I'll be all over it tbh

Gamebred wrote: »

cm punk is nearly 40 a complete white belt.

He's about 4 years of BJJ done. Unless this was the odd token class every 6 months, then he has to be at least a decent blue belt. But who knows how much he does.
Won't make a difference though. I agree that Gall takes this in the first round. By sub. Gall is a pretty solid grappler from what I've seen.

martyos121 wrote: »

E
but he has more balls than anyone going out in front of thousands and almost certainly being outclassed and embarrassed. Best of luck to him.

Meh, He is doing it for the payday, not becuse he has balls. I doubt there's anyone here who wouldn't get into the octagon a 2-0 pro for $1m

martyos121

Gamebred wrote: »

If he was fighting for nothing on an amauter I'd agree but if you offered anyone a few million to have a fight in the octagon they would dive on it,hes getting the best training too,I respect him but I have more respect for the people fighting for peanuts on local shows.

That's the thing with amateur fights though, you usually have at least a puncher's chance. Punk doesn't even have that, he's only started training his striking after he announced this venture. He's essentially going into this fight with passable-at-best BJJ and a basic striking game. He worked hard abusing his body for decades in wrestling to be famous and relevant enough to be given this opportunity, and he'll earn every penny he gets as long as he shows up for the fight.

I wouldn't expect you to be a fan of his anyway, it makes perfect sense that MMA fans aren't behind him since he hasn't worked his way up to get there and that's fine. The vast majority of pro-wrestling fans like myself though have seen how badly he's banged himself up for years and years, just for the fun of it and our entertainment. and given the way he left that business, it's nice to see him being recognised by the UFC and given his chance to step into the octagon.

martyos121

Mellor wrote: »

Meh, He is doing it for the payday, not becuse he has balls. I doubt there's anyone here who wouldn't get into the octagon a 2-0 pro for $1m

If you knew more about him you'd know he's absolutely set for life financially. He's barely spent a penny of his WWE income, he's saved nearly all of it. He's doing this because he wanted to for years, and he's doing it with the UFC because he's a huge draw with pro-wrestling fans dying to see how he does, and MMA fans wanting him to get his ass kicked.

It's mutually beneficial, but the UFC is the one seeing dollar signs, not Punk.

Sure I only got into the sport properly when Brock Lesnar fought Mir, imagine how many more wrestling fans they can draw in with this.