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    #2222
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Mean Laqueefa wrote: »
    Ok i took it as the munner taking the piss for the craic

    Basically this, but at this rate we may aswell add Portal to the swear filter if you cant mention him anymore in a light hearted way.

    Back on topic anyway Mondays MMA hour should be fairly interesting.


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    #2223
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    ASOT wrote: »
    Basically this, but at this rate we may aswell add Portal to the swear filter if you cant mention him anymore in a light hearted way.

    Back on topic anyway Mondays MMA hour should be fairly interesting.

    Not when you are doing it to goad others and across multiple threads. You were already told to drop it, do so.


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    #2224
    Depp
    Registered Users Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    I think the announcement was still ab ig shock, was expecting him to pop up in the ufc 200 promo after the tweets but then the whole thing went by and i started thinking ariel must be after getting this one wrong, then the fight card came up and bam, 'can you see me now?' whole thing was very well done and ariels tweets took none of the surprise out of it for me!


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    #2225
    martyos121
    Registered Users Posts: 21,391 ✭✭✭✭martyos121


    Depp wrote: »
    I think the announcement was still ab ig shock, was expecting him to pop up in the ufc 200 promo after the tweets but then the whole thing went by and i started thinking ariel must be after getting this one wrong, then the fight card came up and bam, 'can you see me now?' whole thing was very well done and ariels tweets took none of the surprise out of it for me!

    I hated how BT went to an ad break before the promo, I found out about it on the event thread and Twitter. Ruined it for a lot of people I'd say.


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    #2226
    jcd5971
    Registered Users Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭jcd5971


    martyos121 wrote:
    I hated how BT went to an ad break before the promo, I found out about it on the event thread and Twitter. Ruined it for a lot of people I'd say.

    Yeah they went to an add break in a middle of a fight, a while back.

    I just get them on fightpass now safer and can watch it again in peace if ya do miss anything.


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    #2227
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Yeah he was called a scumbag by Dana recently, its all a dictatorship lets call a spade a spade, they will continue to do it aswell, pretty sure this will blow up in there face though id imagine there will be a bit of backlash over Helwani because of his fanbase.


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    #2228
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Paully D wrote: »
    RE: Ariel and the UFC.

    The UFC have a history of banning journalists that don't tow the party line. There was a cracking piece a few years ago that detailed a lengthy battle a journalist/media was having with the UFC. It was broken up into 4 or 5 parts if I remember correctly. I'll try to find it and dig it out, but can anyone remember what I'm talking about?

    In fairness I can see both sides of the coin. They had a cool little promo ready to run during the PPV that would have built a huge amount of hype, but it was known 3 hours beforehand that Lesnar was coming back due to the story being broken. However, someone close to the UFC is obviously feeding Helwani information. If I were Dana and co, I'd be looking a bit closer to home.


    As much as I like Helwani I can completely understand why the UFC top brass are furious with him. The UFC have played a large role into making him the household name he is today and had probably worked tirelessly to close the deal with Brock. It's understandable that they felt completely screwed over when Helwani announced the Brock deal three hours before they were due to announce it.

    It strikes me as attention seeking from Helwani. I would understand if it was information that wasn't going to be announced for weeks but he really decided to steal Dana and Lorenzo's thunder by announcing it hours before its official announcement. The promo was meant to be a 'WTF' moment and the speculation and hype it would have generated if the Lesnar news was a complete surprise would have been invaluable for marketing UFC 200.

    It's not like it is the first time Helwani has done this either. I feel bad for the guy as it seriously affects his career but announcing the Lesnar return when he probably knew that it was due to be announced in a few hours as part of an expensive promo was a big 'F U' to the Dana and the UFC. Or at least I can see why they perceived it as such.


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    #2229
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Mod:Lads would ye have some sense and not be posting videos and comments containing spoilers to the results of 199 in anothe thread so short after the event is over. I have edited and removed a number of posts.


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    #2230
    Paully D
    Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Axwell wrote: »
    Mod:Lads would ye have some sense and not be posting videos and comments containing spoilers to the results of 199 in anothe thread so short after the event is over. I have edited and removed a number of posts.

    Genuine question - how long do we have to wait after an event before discussing the results of same in the general landscape?


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    #2231
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Paully D wrote: »
    Genuine question - how long do we have to wait after an event before discussing the results of same in the general landscape?

    Its in the sticky for the charter.


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    #2232
    [Deleted User]
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    Paully D wrote: »
    Genuine question - how long do we have to wait after an event before discussing the results of same in the general landscape?
    I would think if people haven't seen an event yet they and don't want spoiler they would probably be better off not coming into a forum dedicated to MMA until they see the event. :P

    If I plan on watching an event the next day to avoid spoilers I would avoid all forums/social networks until I see the event. Someone would have to be a bit daft to not know the results and to be browsing this forum :pac:


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    #2233
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Deleted User wrote: »

    If I plan on watching an event the next day to avoid spoilers I would avoid all forums/social networks until I see the event. Someone would have to be a bit daft to not know the results and to be browsing this forum :pac:

    One could equally say someone would be daft to go posting results of last nights fight in other threads when there is a thread actually dedicated to the event and all discussion around it.


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    #2234
    jcd5971
    Registered Users Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭jcd5971


    Deleted User wrote:
    If I plan on watching an event the next day to avoid spoilers I would avoid all forums/social networks until I see the event. Someone would have to be a bit daft to not know the results and to be browsing this forum

    Or even use spoiler tags. Or ya know stick to the actual event thread and leave general alone.


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    #2235
    riffmongous
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭riffmongous


    Paully D wrote: »
    RE: Ariel and the UFC.

    The UFC have a history of banning journalists that don't tow the party line. There was a cracking piece a few years ago that detailed a lengthy battle a journalist/media was having with the UFC. It was broken up into 4 or 5 parts if I remember correctly. I'll try to find it and dig it out, but can anyone remember what I'm talking about?
    Shill em all on Cagepotato? It's a great series of articles alright


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    #2236
    [Deleted User]
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    Axwell wrote: »
    One could equally say someone would be daft to go posting results of last nights fight in other threads when there is a thread actually dedicated to the event and all discussion around it.

    Oh you are right but this is the internet after all and just for safety if people dont want to get spoilers they would be better off avoiding this forum until they watch the event.

    I know the rule is to not post spoilers but someone might do it and the event could be ruined for someone before a mod removes it is all I was saying.


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    #2237
    Axwell
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 10,462 Mod ✭✭✭✭Axwell


    Well unfortunately it was for the person who reported the posts and now knew the result of two fights.


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    #2238
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Axwell wrote: »
    Well unfortunately it was for the person who reported the posts and now knew the result of two fights.

    That was my point, everyone should follow the rules but people being people just wont read the charter. I was just giving people helpful advice that if they want to 100% not get anything ruined then just avoid boards till you watch the event. I got a main UFC event before ruined for me the next morning when I was browsing the pro wrestling forum :mad: Now I just avoid boards till I watch the event so nothing gets ruined.


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    #2239
    Devastator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    Mean Laqueefa wrote: »
    its not an overreaction to me, its a scumbag move as i said he doesn't work for Zuffa its his job to report and he has a great relationship with the fighters. Without reporting how we gonna get the truth ? cause i aint believing Dana or his shills in this. If your a fan of the fighters and a way for them to get more money, have sponsors or a union one day you need to rally around him as he gives them an outlet.

    So If Helwani hadn't have ruined the UFC's big surprise and DW announced it during 199 or you only seen the promo video you wouldn't have believed it? :pac: If he was such a fan of fighters and getting them more money then he wouldn't be so worried about leaking big news just before the UFC get to do it. He's leaking news to for his benefit, that doesn't help fighters.
    finglashoop wrote: »
    Hes the most widely recognised mma journalist/reporter. He has a four hour show every week where he can literally get anyone on his show.

    They got him fired from fox for doing his job, they banned him from event for same.

    In all cases he was doing his job. Maybe they should find the leaker of news instead of shooting the messenger.

    Granted finding out the mole would make sense also but do you think all journalists report everything they hear/know? Far from it. Journalists need to play the game, they get well looked after so for that there are times when they need to just keep quiet on some news and let the UFC have their moment. Its not like he's the 1st journalist to be banned, happens in a lot of sports


    I just don't get why everyone is getting so upset over a journalist or talking about some sort of fighter uprising. Do you really think the fighters can/will do anything? Couldn't do anything when Reebok took over their sponsors. Didn't do anything when Watson,Stitch were removed.


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    #2240
    finglashoop
    Registered Users Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Devastator wrote: »
    So If Helwani hadn't have ruined the UFC's big surprise and DW announced it during 199 or you only seen the promo video you wouldn't have believed it? :pac: If he was such a fan of fighters and getting them more money then he wouldn't be so worried about leaking big news just before the UFC get to do it. He's leaking news to for his benefit, that doesn't help fighters.



    Granted finding out the mole would make sense also but do you think all journalists report everything they hear/know? Far from it. Journalists need to play the game, they get well looked after so for that there are times when they need to just keep quiet on some news and let the UFC have their moment. Its not like he's the 1st journalist to be banned, happens in a lot of sports

    In fairness to helwani he seems to only report stories rather than speculate. He seems to verify his information first.

    He also lost a job due to the ufc so I doubt he needs to play any game. He kept fairly quiet after being let go by fox.


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    #2241
    Polycom
    Registered Users Posts: 17 ✭Polycom


    Would think lesnar v Mir would be set up. Very easy sell


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    #2242
    Depp
    Registered Users Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Depp


    Polycom wrote: »
    Would think lesnar v Mir would be set up. Very easy sell

    yeah seems like the fight to make but by the look of things mir has come a cropper of USADA and wont be available, gunna be barnett or carwin id imagine


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    #2243
    Devastator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    finglashoop wrote: »
    In fairness to helwani he seems to only report stories rather than speculate. He seems to verify his information first.

    He also lost a job due to the ufc so I doubt he needs to play any game. He kept fairly quiet after being let go by fox.


    Its probably a job he only had because of the UFC aswell though. Yeah his info is usually good but he knows a lot of the things he has reported will piss the UFC off....and what would he loose out if he didn't report them? A few RTs, extra followers on twitter. I just think he's pushed it too far, especially after fox, that should have been enough of a warning to just keep in their good books(or at least avoid their bad books) for a while


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    #2244
    finglashoop
    Registered Users Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Devastator wrote: »
    Its probably a job he only had because of the UFC aswell though. Yeah his info is usually good but he knows a lot of the things he has reported will piss the UFC off....and what would he loose out if he didn't report them? A few RTs, extra followers on twitter. I just think he's pushed it too far, especially after fox, that should have been enough of a warning to just keep in their good books(or at least avoid their bad books) for a while

    I understand what your saying but I think hes right. He should stick it to the ufc every chance he gets.

    Hes a reporter on mma and while the ufc is a huge part of that he should be able to do his job. His job is finding and reporting stories.


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    #2245
    Paully D
    Registered Users Posts: 28,710 ✭✭✭✭Paully D


    Depp wrote: »
    yeah seems like the fight to make but by the look of things mir has come a cropper of USADA and wont be available, gunna be barnett or carwin id imagine

    Barnett is matched up with Arlovski in September.


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    #2246
    Devastator
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,480 ✭✭✭Devastator


    finglashoop wrote: »
    I understand what your saying but I think hes right. He should stick it to the ufc every chance he gets.

    Hes a reporter on mma and while the ufc is a huge part of that he should be able to do his job. His job is finding and reporting stories.

    Fair enough if you think he's right. I think he has been sticking it to them which is/was my point. Why should the UFC continue to allow him free access to their events when he continuously seems to be giving them the fingers. As I said I just think he needed to play the game a bit more.

    I know if I ran any sort of business and I was giving out free samples to somebody that continued to put the boot in then I'd stop giving them any more free stuff pretty quick.


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    #2247
    finglashoop
    Registered Users Posts: 2,125 ✭✭✭finglashoop


    Devastator wrote: »
    Fair enough if you think he's right. I think he has been sticking it to them which is/was my point. Why should the UFC continue to allow him free access to their events when he continuously seems to be giving them the fingers. As I said I just think he needed to play the game a bit more.

    I know if I ran any sort of business and I was giving out free samples to somebody that continued to put the boot in then I'd stop giving them any more free stuff pretty quick.

    Its a two way street. He is an outlet for free promotion. He promotes fighters better thsn the ufc by getting lesser known people on there. How many people listen to his show?


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    #2248
    mdwexford
    Registered Users Posts: 11,279 ✭✭✭✭mdwexford


    Only top 10 heavyweights not matched up are JDS and Hunt I think.

    Struve could be a possible matchup?

    Whoever it is with five years off it won't be a gimme.


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    #2249
    ASOT
    Registered Users Posts: 7,735 ✭✭✭ASOT


    Adam Milstead should campaign for it, Would be a very achievable win early on in his career!


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    #2250
    Fromvert
    Registered Users Posts: 5,081 ✭✭✭Fromvert


    Some people don't seem to understand what journalist's do.

    It's the same in any other sport, who breaks news of transfers, trades in soccer/NFL/NBA etc. Journalist's do when they get the info. Those organisations don't go banning the journalist's and stripping credentials for reporting that info. Big fight announcements are the transfers/trades in MMA.

    But the UFC don't want journalist's to be journalist's, they just want them to be an extra promotional arm for them.


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    #2251
    WarZ
    Closed Accounts Posts: 972 ✭✭✭WarZ


    Fromvert wrote: »
    Some people don't seem to understand what journalist's do.

    It's the same in any other sport, who breaks news of transfers, trades in soccer/NFL/NBA etc. Journalist's do when they get the info. Those organisations don't go banning the journalist's and stripping credentials for reporting that info. Big fight announcements are the transfers/trades in MMA.

    But the UFC don't want journalist's to be journalist's, they just want them to be an extra promotional arm for them.

    It's very different though.

    The UFC marketing strategy means that fight announcements, especially big ones, are carefully planned in order to maximize revenue from PPV's. Football/NFL/NBA clubs don't have this dilemma when transfer announcements are leaked.


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