New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

eagle eye

ItAintMeBabe wrote:

Just throwing this into the mix, I think Flacco could well be a contender here when he is cut by the Broncos.
A veteran, fairly reliable if called upon, play off experience and will definitely be going very cheap.

If he can be lured there on the guise of starting/competing for the starting job then I could see it happening.

Not a chance of him being signed even as a backup.

ItAintMeBabe

eagle eye wrote: »

Not a chance of him being signed even as a backup.

Any reason why you think this?

I think it’s no more outlandish then Dalton etc

eagle eye

Andy Dalton is a good QB. Flacco is muck.

I don't expect us to sign anyone. We'll roll with Stidham and draft somebody like Cole McDonald.

Earleybird

eagle eye wrote: »

Andy Dalton is a good QB. Flacco is muck.

I don't expect us to sign anyone. We'll roll with Stidham and draft somebody like Cole McDonald.

Dalton is not a good QB. That's the most generous thing to say. Hope we don't sign anyone, there are no palatable veteran options. Let Stidham show what he can do.

eagle eye

Earleybird wrote:

Dalton is not a good QB. That's the most generous thing to say. Hope we don't sign anyone, there are no palatable veteran options. Let Stidham show what he can do.

Dalton is not just good, he is very good. Reason he gets a bad rap is clueless people looking at stats and not watching games.
He hasn't had an OL for a couple of years and this season he was without his no.1 receiver. And the offensive line isn't just horrendous at pass protection, they couldn't open a hole for the run game either. I watched Dalton live in Wembley against the Rams and the average time he got to get rid of the ball was about 1.5 seconds.
I've watched many games of him on tv and it was the same thing.
I thought he was the perfect candidate for the Bucs. He'll do a good job anywhere that gives him pass protection.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Earleybird wrote: »

Dalton is not a good QB. That's the most generous thing to say. Hope we don't sign anyone, there are no palatable veteran options. Let Stidham show what he can do.

Very true. He has 1 playoff TD and 6 playoff INTs. He's not a big game player, and not a solution at QB. Hope we don't sign him.

StringerBell

Earleybird wrote: »

Dalton is not a good QB. That's the most generous thing to say. Hope we don't sign anyone, there are no palatable veteran options. Let Stidham show what he can do.

I'd disagree there now, Dalton may not be elite but he is a good if not very good QB who I think Bill would actually be very happy to work with but I don't see him coming in.

ELM327

I'd prefer to give stidham (sp?) a shot than signing a mediocre qb like dalton.
And I'm not a fan of stidham either. (But as a favre fan it's always good to see a #4 at QB!)

Earleybird

eagle eye wrote: »

Dalton is not just good, he is very good. Reason he gets a bad rap is clueless people looking at stats and not watching games.
He hasn't had an OL for a couple of years and this season he was without his no.1 receiver. And the offensive line isn't just horrendous at pass protection, they couldn't open a hole for the run game either. I watched Dalton live in Wembley against the Rams and the average time he got to get rid of the ball was about 1.5 seconds.
I've watched many games of him on tv and it was the same thing.
I thought he was the perfect candidate for the Bucs. He'll do a good job anywhere that gives him pass protection.

Was there for the game in London as well. To be fair that was probably his best game of the season, but he's still not solution. And spite his decent game that night he missed key throws when they needed him and took a daft sack at one point if memory serves me.

AbusesToilets

Ebner leaving now too, the suck keeps getting worse.

StringerBell

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Ebner leaving now too, the suck keeps getting worse.

Complete wholesale changes by the looks of it. I'm excited to see what Bill does have in mind for the season all the same.

ELM327

It's a rebuild.
Only BB knows if he can rebuild and still win this year

j8wk2feszrnpao

ELM327 wrote: »

It's a rebuild.
Only BB knows if he can rebuild and still win this year

He's needs to hit big time in the draft.
Since that 2012 draft, when we got Jones and Hightower in the first round:
2013 - traded away
2014 - (29th) Dominique Easley - failure
2015 - (32d) Malcom Brown- didn't show first round talent, but was consistently available and left with 2 rings
2016 - traded away
2017 - Deflategate rubbish :rolleyes:
2018 - (23rd) Isaiah Wynn - rarely started due to injuries
2018 - (31) Sony Michel - doesn't show 1st round talent, not a factor in the passing game, likely to be gone after year 4
2019 - (32nd) N'Keal Harry - Too early to say how he'll pan out (only played half the season), but needs a huge year 2 jump to be a success

AbusesToilets

munstermagic11 wrote: »

He's needs to hit big time in the draft.
Since that 2012 draft, when we got Jones and Hightower in the first round:
2013 - traded away
2014 - (29th) Dominique Easley - failure
2015 - (32d) Malcom Brown- didn't show first round talent, but was consistently available and left with 2 rings
2016 - traded away
2017 - Deflategate rubbish :rolleyes:
2018 - (23rd) Isaiah Wynn - rarely started due to injuries
2018 - (31) Sony Michel - doesn't show 1st round talent, not a factor in the passing game, likely to be gone after year 4
2019 - (32nd) N'Keal Harry - Too early to say how he'll pan out (only played half the season), but needs a huge year 2 jump to be a success

He's much better at evaluating players already in the league, than drafting. His two best draftees were Gronk and Jimmy imo. His approach makes sense, in that he can trade.picks for known quantities, but it's mega frustrating watching other teams hit on talent when we've whiffed more than often. Taking Sony over Chubb, or Harry over literally any WR drafted last year.

eagle eye

So we are running down Sony now who had no OL help last season and N'Keal who was out for a lot of training camp and a good portion of the season.
I don't know what to say to you. Like if we had an OL last season then I could understand the Michel criticism. Harry never seemed to be fully healthy last season, like he has to get a chance with a full training camp behind him before we can judge him.
I think they are two top class players, hopefully we have an OL this season and we'll see the best of both.

j8wk2feszrnpao

AbusesToilets wrote: »

He's much better at evaluating players already in the league, than drafting

Overall he's drafted well. No one hits all the time.
I just think those 1st round draft picks need to hit when you lose Brady.

ionadnapokot

Who's going to start the Tampa Brady thread lads?:)

AbusesToilets

eagle eye wrote: »

So we are running down Sony now who had no OL help last season and N'Keal who was out for a lot of training camp and a good portion of the season.
I don't know what to say to you. Like if we had an OL last season then I could understand the Michel criticism. Harry never seemed to be fully healthy last season, like he has to get a chance with a full training camp behind him before we can judge him.
I think they are two top class players, hopefully we have an OL this season and we'll see the best of both.

It's not running down Sony to recognise his short comings. He's not explosive, doesn't have top line speed and is a non-entity in the passing game. He's 2-3rd round talent, that we used a first on.

I'll give Harry some slack, he looks strong with the ball. The TD that wasn't, vs the Chiefs was a quality effort on his part. However you compare him to his fellow draftees, and their production, and it's hard not to feel a touch aggrieved.

AbusesToilets

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Overall he's drafted well. No one hits all the time.
I just think those 1st round draft picks need to hit when you lose Brady.

He's drafted well at certain positions, mostly on defense. His history of WRs and RBs is less so. Compare us to the Steelers, for example, who seem to constantly hit on quality options.

Earleybird

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Who's going to start the Tampa Brady thread lads?:)

Haha. There is one. Last post 2 years ago.

ionadnapokot

Earleybird wrote: »

Haha. There is one. Last post 2 years ago.

Bump it up!

el Fenomeno

Adrian Phillips signs a 2 year deal for $6m, only $3m guaranteed. That's a fantastic pickup, very happy with our secondary.

el Fenomeno

Looks like Hoyer is coming back for his third stint.

I imagine we're going forward with Stidham.

As much as I'll miss Tom, I'm excited to see what we can do with Stidham.

Jolly Red Giant

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Looks like House is coming back for his third stint.

I imagine we're going forward with Stidham.

As much as I'll miss Tom, I'm excited to see what we can do with Stidham.

el Fenomeno

Jolly Red Giant wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

j8wk2feszrnpao

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Care to elaborate?

Don’t bother. He’s banned from this thread. You can see why.

el Fenomeno

Gost has been released.

Great kicker over the years but became somewhat of a liability over the past couple of years. Onwards and upwards.

AbusesToilets

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Gost has been released.

Great kicker over the years but became somewhat of a liability over the past couple of years. Onwards and upwards.

shame his record will be tarnished by his high profile misses. He was Mr. Automatic for so long. Still, Pats could legitimately have 2 more titles if not for his unfortunate timing.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

That miss against the Broncos..

eagle eye

Ghost hasn't recovered from his injury yet. This was a cap saving move. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back once he's recovered.

el Fenomeno

Dorsett becomes the latest to jump ship, signing with Seattle. A list of who we've lost so far:

- Tom Brady
- Ted Karras
- Philip Dorsett
- Ben Watson
- Jamie Collins
- Kyle Van Noy
- Elandon Roberts
- Danny Shelton
- Duron Harmon
- Nate Ebner
- Stephen Gostkowski

AbusesToilets

el Fenomeno wrote: »

Dorsett becomes the latest to jump ship, signing with Seattle. A list of who we've lost so far:

- Tom Brady
- Ted Karras
- Philip Dorsett
- Ben Watson
- Jamie Collins
- Kyle Van Noy
- Elandon Roberts
- Danny Shelton
- Duron Harmon
- Nate Ebner
- Stephen Gostkowski

Brady aside, has there been a turnover like this in the past in one season?

eagle eye

Bennett,Blount, Collins, Long, Ryan, Sheard, Vollmer all left after 2016 season I think. We lost to the Eagles in Superbowl 52 and won 53.

We lost more than that, just mentioning the bigger names there.

Foxtrol

eagle eye wrote: »

Ghost hasn't recovered from his injury yet. This was a cap saving move. I wouldn't be surprised to see him back once he's recovered.

Strange cap saving move if they are accepting $3m in dead cap only to sign him back again.

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Brady aside, has there been a turnover like this in the past in one season?

Turnover is one thing but aside from teams that are tanking and purposefully eating dead cap, I can't really remember a team that has lost that number of players, signed so few new FAs, and still had so little cap space.

ELM327

It's a rebuild year
We've done it somewhat in the past but with TB still at the helm it was less obvious.
Anyone think we end up signing Cam?

ionadnapokot

Foxtrol wrote: »

Turnover is one thing but aside from teams that are tanking and purposefully eating dead cap, I can't really remember a team that has lost that number of players, signed so few new FAs, and still had so little cap space.

Could the New England Patriots do the unthinkable and tank?
With Tom Brady gone, the Pats find themselves at a crossroads. Would they consider tanking in the hope of finding their next franchise quarterback?

.........Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence ............

...........They have $26m worth of dead money on the books, meaning they’re paying players who won’t actually suit up for them, with $13.5m of that going towards Brady.

This doesn’t necessarily mean that the Patriots will be sellers when the NFL season resumes. The most likely scenario could be that Belichick sits back and sees what he has with Stidham and the rest of his roster. ..................
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/mar/27/could-the-new-england-patriots-do-the-unthinkable-and-tank

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Stating the obvious here but we need to sign someone. Doesn't matter how BB is as a coach, he's not winning sh't without a 'good' qb.

eagle eye

We've been told many times over the years by the media that it's the end of the dynasty. For most of the last twenty years the GOAT head coach has been underestimated.
I said to you all last season that I felt that Brady's replacement was Jarrett Stidham. It's looking increasingly likely that he'll get his shot. It's not until he gets his shot that we'll really know what we've got but I'm very hopeful.
Imo this is a very deep draft class so we have a good chance to improve greatly with twelve picks.
Lots of players in positions we need to fill deep in this draft like at tight end where there's a host of talent, edge rusher is another deep spot in this draft as is wide receiver.

ELM327

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

Stating the obvious here but we need to sign someone. Doesn't matter how BB is as a coach, he's not winning sh't without a 'good' qb.

He won double digit games with Cassel.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

ELM327 wrote: »

He won double digit games with Cassel.

Which counts for sweet fa. If that's the expectation for the season ahead we may as well not even play. We either aim to win or what's the point.
And we can't reasonably expect to win without a qb. There's been what, 2 teams in the past 20 years that have won the superbowl without a star qb and both had absolutely loaded defences. And both were about 20 years ago when rules were very different.

eagle eye

The Eagles beat us with a subpar qb. the Broncos and the Ravens also won in the last ten years without a decent qb.

And why are you talking about quarterbacks. You haven't seen Stidham start yet or if he will be the starter in week 1.

ELM327

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

Which counts for sweet fa. If that's the expectation for the season ahead we may as well not even play. We either aim to win or what's the point.
And we can't reasonably expect to win without a qb. There's been what, 2 teams in the past 20 years that have won the superbowl without a star qb and both had absolutely loaded defences. And both were about 20 years ago when rules were very different.

We were unlucky to miss the playoffs that year,we could have won it.


Of course the aim is always to win every game, win it all, but it doesnt happen every year. This year I think while the hope is for another ring, the expectation may have to be tempered. I think winning the division this year would be a brilliant result.

Foxtrol

ionadnapokot wrote: »

Could the New England Patriots do the unthinkable and tank?
With Tom Brady gone, the Pats find themselves at a crossroads. Would they consider tanking in the hope of finding their next franchise quarterback?

.........Clemson quarterback Trevor Lawrence ............

...........They have $26m worth of dead money on the books, meaning they’re paying players who won’t actually suit up for them, with $13.5m of that going towards Brady.

This doesn’t necessarily mean that the Patriots will be sellers when the NFL season resumes. The most likely scenario could be that Belichick sits back and sees what he has with Stidham and the rest of his roster. ..................
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2020/mar/27/could-the-new-england-patriots-do-the-unthinkable-and-tank

Tanking talk doesn't make any sense aside from him telling his players not to perform or purposefully making tactical errors. Aside from QB, Bill extended a number of players and tagged an OG.

eagle eye wrote: »

Lots of players in positions we need to fill deep in this draft like at tight end where there's a host of talent, edge rusher is another deep spot in this draft as is wide receiver.

Agree with you on WR but I'm not sure on your hopes of depth in those other positions. Sure you can find gems later in every draft but Edge is no where close to the quality of last year and TE looks like one of the weakest positions in the draft.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

eagle eye wrote: »

The Eagles beat us with a subpar qb. the Broncos and the Ravens also won in the last ten years without a decent qb.

And why are you talking about quarterbacks. You haven't seen Stidham start yet or if he will be the starter in week 1.

Well you obviously didn't hear the news ee, we've lost our qb. Surely you're aware of the significance of that. Is that okay with you to discuss?

Also Foles threw for nearly 400 yards that game and still could easily have lost.

What are your expectations of Stidham?

ELM327 wrote: »

We were unlucky to miss the playoffs that year,we could have won it.


Of course the aim is always to win every game, win it all, but it doesnt happen every year. This year I think while the hope is for another ring, the expectation may have to be tempered. I think winning the division this year would be a brilliant result.

Totally agree on the second part, but when games come down to the key moments we'll at the other team's mercy if we don't have someone that can deliver. QB has to be the priority.
We don't even have a decent receiving corps atm, if Stidham is the answer we at least need to give him options.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

Might be a moot point anyway with everything going on.

eagle eye

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote:

What are your expectations of Stidham?

I like him a lot. Liked him at Auburn and liked what I seen in preseason last year.
I'm very hopeful. I've stated that on more than one occasion in this thread over the past eight months. You really don't know how somebody will be as a starter until they actually do start but I'm confident that he'll be clutch if be he be is good enough.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote:

Totally agree on the second part, but when games come down to the key moments we'll at the other team's mercy if we don't have someone that can deliver. QB has to be the priority. We don't even have a decent receiving corps atm, if Stidham is the answer we at least need to give him options.

I agree and with twelve picks we have the opportunity.
I've no idea what BB will decide is the first round priority but I think there is great depth in the areas that are most important to us.

j8wk2feszrnpao

ELM327 wrote: »

He won double digit games with Cassel.

After we went 18:1, we went 11:5.
As great as Bill is, without a QB (and the many issues on the roster), I can't see the Pats getting near a double digit season.

eagle eye

Just having a moment of reality. Tom Brady is the greatest of all time and I love the man but if we meet the Bucs he is the enemy in my eyes, no two ways about it for me.

StringerBell

He deserves that respect too. You hope the players, and they will, play as hard against him as they would anybody else. He has earned that kind of respect, don't soft peddle him because of who he is. Play it hard, play it fair and look to win. No conflicted feelings there at all.

Griselda

I'm following brandy to tampa


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