New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

AbusesToilets

ELM327 wrote: »

Hannah is before my time, I know he's in the hof (?) but I never saw him play so wouldnt be on my list.


Brady is obviously the GOAT in NE, behind him is a few players IMO, gronk is for sure one of them. Arguable Julian Edelman, Wilfork, Bruschi, Seymour, Troy Brown, and some others too.

They're both the greatest players in their respective positions. Folks go on about longevity and such, arguing for Gonzalez or Gates, but no one in their right mind is taking either one over Gronk. With respect to the other players, Patriot heroes all, they're not in the same class.

eagle eye

AbusesToilets wrote:

They're both the greatest players in their respective positions. Folks go on about longevity and such, arguing for Gonzalez or Gates, but no one in their right mind is taking either one over Gronk. With respect to the other players, Patriot heroes all, they're not in the same class.

Well for me the best all time TE is between Gronk and Witten. Witten could do it all too, receive, block for runners/receivers and pass protect.
Hell I remember John Madden talking about how great Jason Witten was, calling him the best in the game, and he's retired for 11 years. Witten has had an incredible career spanning 17 years at this stage.

j8wk2feszrnpao

AbusesToilets wrote: »

They're both the greatest players in their respective positions. Folks go on about longevity and such, arguing for Gonzalez or Gates, but no one in their right mind is taking either one over Gronk. With respect to the other players, Patriot heroes all, they're not in the same class.

Gonalez was great. Not the complete TE like Gronk, but they both are the best I've seen in the 25yrs I've been watching.
I remember that game against the Falcons in 2013, and Gonaldez was double teamed (eventually 3x teamed) and he still had a great night (14 targets, 12 receptions, 149 yards, and 2 TDs. No surprise to see them both make the NFL 100.

dh1985

eagle eye wrote: »

Well for me the best all time TE is between Gronk and Witten. Witten could do it all too, receive, block for runners/receivers and pass protect.
Hell I remember John Madden talking about how great Jason Witten was, calling him the best in the game, and he's retired for 11 years. Witten has had an incredible career spanning 17 years at this stage.

Madden obviously hadn't called a gronk game so. Gronk in his pomp was unstoppable. A redzone machine
He had more tds than witten in half the games played. What he achieved in a short enough career span for a te was phenomenal. The crazy thing is if his body has healed there could be mileage in that tank yet and could go for a few years if minded. Looking forward to seeing him back. A true character

eagle eye

dh1985 wrote:

Madden obviously hadn't called a gronk game so. Gronk in his pomp was unstoppable. A redzone machine He had more tds than witten in half the games played. What he achieved in a short enough career span for a te was phenomenal. The crazy thing is if his body has healed there could be mileage in that tank yet and could go for a few years minded. Looking forward to seeing him back. A true character

I'm certainly not disagreeing with you as regards what Gronk achieved when healthy. The shortness of the career is the only detractor but it's a big one.

ELM327

eagle eye wrote: »

Well for me the best all time TE is between Gronk and Witten. Witten could do it all too, receive, block for runners/receivers and pass protect.
Hell I remember John Madden talking about how great Jason Witten was, calling him the best in the game, and he's retired for 11 years. Witten has had an incredible career spanning 17 years at this stage.

I think Gronk's peak was higher than witten's
But witten had almost a decade at 90%-95% of gronk's couple of peak years.

StringerBell

You can't overlook Witten, or Gonzalez for that matter but yeah Witten for his years of production and his ability to do absolutely everything would have him in the discussion. Nobody touches Gronk in my eyes though, he is as good as it gets in that position. I wouldn't say he had a short career but I understand that Witten torches him for longevity but when you see the numbers it only adds to Gronks case for being the ATG I think. The longevity is a big plus for Witten but it also highlights just how much more productive Gronk was in the position.

I don't think Gronk is looking to play on any longer than Brady. Probably one more year and evaluate but likely a one and done. He doesn't need the money, he obviously just wants to come back to play with Tom and have a Michael Jordan 'The Last Dance' season is my take on it.

VillaMad

https://twitter.com/MySportsUpdate/status/1253340334559461376

eagle eye

Lee has talent if he can stay on the healthy which has always been a struggle for him, I'd guess he doesn't make it past TC.

StringerBell

Does Gronk being traded have any implications on the cap?

el Fenomeno

StringerBell wrote: »

Does Gronk being traded have any implications on the cap?

No - he didn't have any cap hit against 2020 so we don't get any relief. There's no dead cap/money hit either.

StringerBell

Can't say I know a lot about him, and taking a DB in the second round with so many holes on offence is just confusing (ok its BB so not totally confusing, maybe I was just hopeful:)) but welcome to New England lad

StringerBell

One of the funniest comments from last night

"God bless Jarret stidham, he's gonna be throwing to a kicker by the end of the season isn't he?"



D is looking good though.

eagle eye

Funny thing is there are lots of decent receivers still up for grabs.
I like Tyler Johnson as a possession receiver, not a fast guy but a good route runner, always available and has a huge catch radius. He's the type that opens the field up for others and great in short yardage(under 10 yards) situations.
Quez Watkins is an intriguing prospect out of Southern Mississippi, blazing speed and he looks like a guy that will improve as he has each of the last two seasons.
I hope we get Johnson or somebody like him as our biggest problem last season was receivers not being able to find space.

eagle eye

So we take a kicker in the fifth round who I personally believe would have been available in the seventh round.
Two picks later the Bucs take Tyler Johnson, watch him become one of Brady's favourite targets.

ScrubsfanChris

Doesn't get old

https://twitter.com/Gridiron/status/1254131975927009283?s=19

BonnieSituation

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Doesn't get old

https://twitter.com/Gridiron/status/1254131975927009283?s=19

That's a photo that is here to stay. It's never going to get old.

Shedite27

ScrubsfanChris wrote: »

Doesn't get old

https://twitter.com/Gridiron/status/1254131975927009283?s=19

Would have thought the Patriots would have learnt their lesson with players with controversial tattoos
https://nypost.com/2020/04/25/patriots-kicker-justin-rohrwasser-to-cover-three-percenter-tattoo/

eagle eye

Shedite27 wrote:

Would have thought the Patriots would have learnt their lesson with players with controversial tattoos

This is very minor. The New York post is like the sun in the UK.

Shedite27

eagle eye wrote: »

This is very minor. The New York post is like the sun in the UK.

Every newspaper on the planet is running the story, from USA today and Washington Post to The Guardian and Irish Times. Granted it's a slow news day but anyone sporting a far right tattoo immediately has questionmarks. Hopefully the Pats have done their background checks on him anyway

el Fenomeno

Personally I think his Dave Matthews Band tattoo is a far bigger crime anything far-right related.

eagle eye

Shedite27 wrote:

. Granted it's a slow news day but anyone sporting a far right tattoo immediately has questionmarks. Hopefully the Pats have done their background checks on him anyway

He says he got it when he was a kid, says he thought it meant something entirely different, says he is not proud of it. End of story.
Very minor.

D9Male

So why does he still have it?

eagle eye

How am I supposed to know that? Can he get rid of it? I don't know. Does it cost much? I don't know. Can he afford to get rid of it? Maybe after he signs his contract.

Shedite27

As I see it he's either:
1. A racist who wants everyone to know about it for having a far right malitia logo tattoed on a part of his body that all can see when he;s wearing a t-shirt.
2. An idiot for getting something tattoed on his body without taking 10 seconds to google its meaning.

Lets hope he can kick a football

eagle eye

Shedite27 wrote:

As I see it he's either: 1. A racist who wants everyone to know about it for having a far right malitia logo tattoed on a part of his body that all can see when he;s wearing a t-shirt. 2. An idiot for getting something tattoed on his body without taking 10 seconds to google its meaning.
Lets hope he can kick a football

This was really childish stuff.
If he was a raccoon at wanting everyone to see it he'd hardly be saying he will cover it and that it was a mistake.
He's said that he thought it meant something else. It was some army type thing I believe.
Anyways I'm finished with that so immature ****.

ItAintMeBabe

Just throwing this out there, anybody think the patriots might be a potential landing spot for Josh Rosen?

Never been a fan of him personally, always found him very arrogant in comparison to the talent he displayed. In saying that, he never really got a fair shot anywhere. No.10 pick two years ago. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Bill swoop in. I’d imagine the dolphins would take anything for him at this point, a 2021 5 round pick?

AbusesToilets

ItAintMeBabe wrote: »

Just throwing this out there, anybody think the patriots might be a potential landing spot for Josh Rosen?

Never been a fan of him personally, always found him very arrogant in comparison to the talent he displayed. In saying that, he never really got a fair shot anywhere. No.10 pick two years ago. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Bill swoop in. I’d imagine the dolphins would take anything for him at this point, a 2021 5 round pick?

Weren't there rumours of that before the Phins grabbed him?

eagle eye

AbusesToilets wrote:

Weren't there rumours of that before the Phins grabbed him?

Don't mind any rumours. Belichick always keeps it quiet. We've had Andy Dalton rumours all off-season too.
Stidham is the guy, he's the reason Brady is not back too I think.

StringerBell

The kicker tattoo is not a minor thing, his piss poor excuse is also just that, piss poor. However it doesn't actually bother me too much (certainly not more than him being drafted in the 5th round in the first place). He has a job to do, once he does that and is a good influence in the dressing room that's what matters most.

If he isn't it will shine through and he will be gone.

ELM327

Who cares about his tattoos. If he kicks FG and PAT within 10% of Gost/Vinatieri in their heydays then he's all good by me.

Mr. Guappa

James Develin has retired.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

StringerBell wrote: »

The kicker tattoo is not a minor thing, his piss poor excuse is also just that, piss poor. However it doesn't actually bother me too much (certainly not more than him being drafted in the 5th round in the first place). He has a job to do, once he does that and is a good influence in the dressing room that's what matters most.

If he isn't it will shine through and he will be gone.

Exactly what it is, a piss poor excuse. Not buying it either.

ELM327 wrote: »

Who cares about his tattoos. If he kicks FG and PAT within 10% of Gost/Vinatieri in their heydays then he's all good by me.

It's one thing having a shítty person on your team, it's another thing completely to have a white supremacist as your teammate in a sport dominated by black folk. Hopefully the excuse is true, otherwise it could be a disastrous pick.

eagle eye

Young man retiring, only 31. Great player, incredible journey to make it in the NFL. It'd make a good movie I think.
We'll miss you James.

StringerBell

I'm not overly concerned about the pick at all, again other than the draft pick used to acquire him

Actually, I would have said that before the Hernandez flags were missed. I still think the organisation would have him thoroughly scouted and be fully aware of his character so if they are prepared to bring him into a locker room with Slates, Devin and all the other black players they must be happy that he isn't going to a problem.

As I said, if he is, or isn't doing his job then he will be gone.

StringerBell

Develin deserves a post of his own, great servant, great player, wish him the best in retirement.

Masked Man

Mr. Guappa wrote: »

James Develin has retired.

That's not good.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

I think not showing any concern regarding the tattoo is a bit short-sighted tbh. The Hernandez situation, whilst extreme, shows us that colleges can and do go to some lengths to protect their players from negative media attention, and players' 'negative habits' can go under the radar also. Plenty of other examples on a lesser level of this too.
Hope to feck he turns out to be a stud but would've rathered a person with a tattoo like that not be playing for a team I support. Him getting it removed now that he has ample cash would go a long way to demostrating it was an adolescent mistake.

eagle eye

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote:

It's one thing having a shítty person on your team, it's another thing completely to have a white supremacist as your teammate in a sport dominated by black folk. Hopefully the excuse is true, otherwise it could be a disastrous pick.

What's this white supremacy at bs?
They once did security for a white supremacist but immediately stated they would never do it again and stated quite clearly they would not align themselves with any racist group. It's in their charter that if you are a member you defend all the rights of 'we the people' regardless of Race/Religion/Creed.

el Fenomeno

Running game has been consistently poor without Develin. That's a big blow. Explains why we signed Vitale and drafted that guy from Virginia Tech who played mostly as a H back supposedly. Bill must have known this for some time.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

eagle eye wrote: »

What's this white supremacy at bs?
They once did security for a white supremacist but immediately stated they would never do it again and stated quite clearly they would not align themselves with any racist group. It's in their charter that if you are a member you defend all the rights of 'we the people' regardless of Race/Religion/Creed.

It's been reproted that the group provided security for a white supremacist group at the Charlotsville incident. Thats the basis if my understanding of it. Happy to be corrected.

eagle eye

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote:

It's been reproted that the group provided security for a white supremacist group at the Charlotsville incident. Thats the basis if my understanding of it. Happy to be corrected.

They did but it appears they weren't aware it was a white supremacist group and immediately made it clear that they didn't support white supremacy and would never align with any racist group and as I just said it's in their charter about defending people regardless of Race/Religion/Creed.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

eagle eye wrote: »

They did but it appears they weren't aware it was a white supremacist group and immediately made it clear that they didn't support white supremacy and would never align with any racist group and as I just said it's in their charter about defending people regardless of Race/Religion/Creed.

Ah yes, a far right militia that isn't a white supremacist group. A group that has chosen in the past to provide security at a white supremacist and neo nazi rally and only distanced themselves from those involved in the violence 2 days after the event. I really belive these guys aren't racist whatsoever.

Big Pussy Bonpensiero

eagle eye wrote: »

They did but it appears they weren't aware it was a white supremacist group and immediately made it clear that they didn't support white supremacy and would never align with any racist group and as I just said it's in their charter about defending people regardless of Race/Religion/Creed.

Funny how this 'not aware' excuse rears its head again.

eagle eye

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote:

Ah yes, a far right militia that isn't a white supremacist group. A group that has chosen in the past to provide security at a white supremacist and neo nazi rally and only distanced themselves from those involved in the violence 2 days after the event. I really belive these guys aren't racist whatsoever.

So why then have they in their charter about protecting people regardless of Race/Religion/Creed?
You realise they don't need to have that in there.

el Fenomeno

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

It's one thing having a shítty person on your team, it's another thing completely to have a white supremacist as your teammate in a sport dominated by black folk. Hopefully the excuse is true, otherwise it could be a disastrous pick.

Marshall had 64 black players on their roster last year, and 4 black coaches.

Do you really think their kicker is an active white supremacist?

Come on.

eagle eye

Yeah, some people just look at twitter and believe everything. They don't do any research themselves.
As you point out he went to college where he played alongside lots of black players and under black coaches.
I checked out the threepercenters charter and they have in it about protecting everybody regardless of Race/Religion/Creed.
The player says he made a mistake and thought it was armed forces related which is easy to understand given there are armed forces guys who are members.
But some guys here just see some idiot on Twitter rant on about white supremacists and racism and run with it.

AbusesToilets

I think furor over his tattoo is wildly overblown. I'd trust the Pats scouts and security would be able to glean whether he was a bigot, after his years playing on majority black teams. Funny how there isn't a drop of media outrage at the many players with gang associations that are currently playing.

ELM327

If you want to screech about a tattoo you'll find a way.
I dont think it's worth the reaction.


On a more important note, Develin retiring is not good news for a year we're going to be relying more on the run game with a pretty much rookie QB

ELM327

Big Pussy Bonpensiero wrote: »

Exactly what it is, a piss poor excuse. Not buying it either.


It's one thing having a shítty person on your team, it's another thing completely to have a white supremacist as your teammate in a sport dominated by black folk. Hopefully the excuse is true, otherwise it could be a disastrous pick.

So... being proud of your country fighting against the british makes you a white supremacist?
****. I'm a white supremacist so.


A lot of people jump to racism because of the south, the confederate flag, etc. Conveniently forgetting the black regiments in the CSA. The black slave owners etc. This is not even the CSA flag, it's the 3%.