New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

j8wk2feszrnpao · 21-09-2020 7:37am

me89 wrote: »

Disappointed to lose but really happy with the performance.

I think it's time to move on from Sony, he just can't make anyone miss, hopefully Harris is healthy soon.

It was a good performance, well, for the offense. But it's a poor Seattle D, that were banged up and had an ejection early. They've given up 509 yards (25pts) and 464 yards (30pts) in their two games.

Cam played well. Jules was excellent and Byrd looks like a proper option. Harry, who had moments, needs to continue to improve as he still doesn't fight enough for extra yardage.

The D is what it is. The Hightower and Chung opt outs hurt the D, but I'm not sure they'd look that much different. When they play the better QB's, like last year, they get taken apart.

I agree on Sony and said before that we might pick up the the 5th year option, but then he's gone.

StringerBell · 21-09-2020 10:08am

Didn't get to see the game but sounds like it was an encouraging one for the future prospects of the team, which is obviously a good thing.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 21-09-2020 10:49am

StringerBell wrote: »

Didn't get to see the game but sounds like it was an encouraging one for the future prospects of the team, which is obviously a good thing.

Jules was excellent. Cam was really good (could easily have won it at the end). OL did well in pass protection. Run game was shutdown apart from Cam.
The D had no answer for Wilson. Just about anytime the rush got to him, he evaded it. Gilmore was bullied by DK Metcalf (who we passed on for Harry). Lockett dominated anyone who tried to cover him.

I was really down on the season pre Cam. Still reckoned they would struggle. They're 1:1 which I expected. The D was really bad, but there is a glimpse of what the offense can do when you see the two totally different ways they had success in the two games so far (although Miami are bad, and the Seahawks D just bleeds yards/pts). Lots of positives about Byrd, hopefully it'll continue.

I still think we can win the division, but the Bills will be tough (even though I'm not a believer in Josh Allen).

eagle eye · 21-09-2020 11:24am

I seen enough last night to believe we are contenders. This offense will grow as the season wears on I think and they were really good last night.
Cam's passing game was on a different level to the Dolphins game. My big concern now is the quality of our running backs. I was a believer for longer than most in Sony Michel but he had opportunities last night which he failed to take.
James White was a big loss.
RIP to his dad and I hope his mother recovers. Very sad.

Masked Man · 21-09-2020 2:25pm

Belichick was in very bad form in the post game press conference. He was actually needlessly rude during it.

AbusesToilets · 21-09-2020 2:30pm

Play calling let us down a few times. That 3rd and 4th pitch toss and the goal line effort at the end stand out. Cam was doing well passing, yet we wasted so many possessions trying to force the run. You don't have to "establish the run" to play action.

We desperately need another we. I'd go hunting after Robinson or maybe one of the lads from Detroit. Jules needs some help.

eagle eye · 21-09-2020 3:27pm

AbusesToilets wrote:

Play calling let us down a few times. That 3rd and 4th pitch toss and the goal line effort at the end stand out. Cam was doing well passing, yet we wasted so many possessions trying to force the run. You don't have to "establish the run" to play action.

The goal line call was the right call. We'd beaten them twice with it at the goal line and a few other times too.

AbusesToilets · 21-09-2020 4:05pm

eagle eye wrote: »

The goal line call was the right call. We'd beaten them twice with it at the goal line and a few other times too.

Yea, but a third time in a row in the same match? The whole world knew what was going to happen. Granted the Seahawks made a great play, two of our blockers got blown up. We didn't lose any questions, there was no other option to check the defense for a moment. Better call would've been a jump over the pile or a similar play as earlier with the TD pass to the FB.

eagle eye · 21-09-2020 4:09pm

Well I think that's overthinking things. We used play that had been successful all night, they stuffed it. Kudos to them.

I presume you disagreed with all those who said that Marshawn should have got the ball in the Superbowl?

AbusesToilets · 21-09-2020 4:22pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Well I think that's overthinking things. We used play that had been successful all night, they stuffed it. Kudos to them.

I presume you disagreed with all those who said that Marshawn should have got the ball in the Superbowl?

I did, different circumstances tho. We had one shot at a play, and only having one option was a mistake. Even allowing for the run being the choice, it wasn't a good play design. Cam is 6' 5, why have him start so far back? QB dive over the top, or push the pile for me. 20/20 hindsight obviously. If Edelman catches the previous pass it's all immaterial.

Smacruairi · 21-09-2020 5:28pm

Cam proved that he can throw. And it was great to see Edelman get downfield. We now have a bit of a deep ball to exploit when they pack the box for Cam.

Gilmore didn't seem to have a good night, and Seattles penalties gave us a bit of a leg up, but a very very positive performance and I think we will be in the mix come Jan and Feb.

BKWDR · 21-09-2020 5:44pm

Thought they did well , a great game.

Have to say i was on the fence about Cam, but i think his legs offer a huge weapon to the team that the defense has to always been on their toes. Jules needs to stay healthy

AbusesToilets · 21-09-2020 5:52pm

https://twitter.com/iJordanMoore/status/1307899110608039936?s=20

Watching it back, there was a chance if Cam broke to the outside, but I think he only had eyes for the gap. Brilliant defense.

Smacruairi · 27-09-2020 3:45pm

Should be a close game, but if we state our intentions here, it'll be a good season.

eagle eye · 27-09-2020 6:36pm

Cam has been awful so far, threw two balls into triple coverage and threw a horrendous pick.

ScrubsfanChris · 27-09-2020 6:48pm

38 yards of offence in the 1st quarter.
Cam still trying to force it ....

ScrubsfanChris · 27-09-2020 6:56pm

Thankfully the defense seems to on the ball once again today.

ScrubsfanChris · 27-09-2020 7:36pm

Forget what I said, they just gave up a TD in less than 30 seconds :rolleyes:

ScrubsfanChris · 27-09-2020 8:48pm

Burkhead is having a career game!

Smacruairi · 27-09-2020 11:31pm

Great second half, but we need to move on from Folk fast. Just doesn't have the leg

j8wk2feszrnpao · 28-09-2020 7:34am

Smacruairi wrote: »

Great second half, but we need to move on from Folk fast. Just doesn't have the leg

Move onto who though? Is there a better option out there available?

We've played 3 games in very different ways. Against the Fins it was all Cam running, then it was all Cam throwing, then it was all the running backs. While I don't fancy our chances in KC (but we are playing tough), it's the Broncos after that. Then we play the Bills in what will be a big games that will play a factor in deciding the division.

BizzyC · 28-09-2020 7:53am

Very positive rebound, aside from the pick I thought Cam did nicely...
Good to see Harry, Byrd, Meyers getting more involved week to week

As good as Burkhead was today, Michel is finally starting to flash why he was drafted.
He actually put his foot in the ground and made decisive cuts a few times

Defensively we've been exposed a bit the past 2 weeks, our heralded secondary is showing gaps...
I'm not sure if they're in a slump, or of it's a case that all of the opt-outs we have in the front 7 is exposing them more.

When it comes to the big games I can see a few working out like Seattle did, where we'll put up what should be enough points to win any game, but still concede more....

j8wk2feszrnpao · 28-09-2020 10:09am

BizzyC wrote: »

Very positive rebound, aside from the pick I thought Cam did nicely...

I thought he was average/poor enough (esp in comparison to two really good games). The INT was terrible, I thought he got away with not having more INTs against Seattle, and he'd a number of really poor pass attempts this week and could easily have been picked a few times. He'd good pass protection and the run game dominated for him. He did pick up a good first down in the 4th quarter by running himself and did well with screen plays (but that's more on the blocking/RBs). Don't want to sound down on him, cause having Cam is a major factor in thinking we can win the division and competing in the playoffs.

AbusesToilets · 28-09-2020 2:19pm

BizzyC wrote: »

Very positive rebound, aside from the pick I thought Cam did nicely...
Good to see Harry, Byrd, Meyers getting more involved week to week

As good as Burkhead was today, Michel is finally starting to flash why he was drafted.
He actually put his foot in the ground and made decisive cuts a few times

Defensively we've been exposed a bit the past 2 weeks, our heralded secondary is showing gaps...
I'm not sure if they're in a slump, or of it's a case that all of the opt-outs we have in the front 7 is exposing them more.

When it comes to the big games I can see a few working out like Seattle did, where we'll put up what should be enough points to win any game, but still concede more....

For as good a game as Sony had, he's desperately slow when he hits a gap. A top level RB should be capable of finishing a break like the ones he made, he just lacks a top gear. Similar happened in the SB at the end of the game, broke through into acres of space and was easily run down from behind. Obviously different circumstances, but I have no confidence in his speed.

eagle eye · 28-09-2020 3:03pm

AbusesToilets wrote:

For as good a game as Sony had, he's desperately slow when he hits a gap. A top level RB should be capable of finishing a break like the ones he made, he just lacks a top gear. Similar happened in the SB at the end of the game, broke through into acres of space and was easily run down from behind. Obviously different circumstances, but I have no confidence in his speed.

Well he had the speed in college, I doubt it's gone. It might simply be that he had niggling injuries and was advised not to go at full speed or simply that his diet and training were not suitable for him.
We'll see how he does over the season.

ELM327 · 28-09-2020 4:32pm

on the michel issue he's obviously a bust given his high pick, but he's a good serviceable RB and in the right circumstances will get you past the avg 4 YPC.

paulie21 · 28-09-2020 4:37pm

Broncos game week 5 moved to 9.25pm Irish time. Next 3 sundays at that window

Inquitus · 03-10-2020 4:38pm

Cam Newton has Covid, out of the Pats v Chiefs game obv.

ScrubsfanChris · 03-10-2020 5:03pm

Inquitus wrote: »

Cam Newton has Covid, out of the Pats v Chiefs game obv.

Sources now reporting the Chiefs players have been told the game is off.

eagle eye · 03-10-2020 5:08pm

I think everybody else tested negative. I don't know if the game is off or not but probably better for us if it is. I'd much rather meet the chiefs later in the season when they're a bit banged up.

paulie21 · 03-10-2020 5:14pm

Chiefs have positive tests too. Game postponed might be played Monday or Tuesday probably have to retest everyone

el Fenomeno · 03-10-2020 5:19pm

Titans were testing every day, and we've seen new cases staggered over the course of the week so it's very unlikely Cam is the only one.

The Falcons had someone test positive on Saturday last week and their game still went ahead.

el Fenomeno · 03-10-2020 5:28pm

Also worth noting that putting the full roster and staff on a plane is a terrible idea.

eagle eye · 03-10-2020 5:32pm

paulie21 wrote: »

Chiefs have positive tests too. Game postponed might be played Monday or Tuesday probably have to retest everyone

Yeah I thought that's what it said too but on reading it again it sounds more like they'll decide when to rearrange it on Monday or Tuesday not that it'll be played on Monday or Tuesday.

el Fenomeno · 03-10-2020 5:50pm

FieldYates is saying that the expectation in New England is the game won't be played at all this week.

Inquitus · 03-10-2020 5:56pm

It looks exceedingly likely if this pattern continues, that the Superbowl may need to be pushed out to accommodate the regular season completion, the NFL schedule doesn't have much wiggle room and it's being used up week by week potentially.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 05-10-2020 10:34pm

Hoyer starting tonight. Not great for Stidham, but Hoyer has been the backup. Might be better for Stidham given they are playing KC, and might have a chance at the Broncos.

AbusesToilets · 05-10-2020 10:35pm

Such a downer, I was really looking forward to this matchup. If we keep it within 2 scores I'd be seriously impressed.

eagle eye · 06-10-2020 1:55am

Hoyer has to be benched after that. The calamity at the end of the first half was bad enough but that last one was unforgivable. He is responsible for us being on six points less than we should.

eagle eye · 06-10-2020 2:25am

Ugh, Julian.

el Fenomeno · 06-10-2020 2:39am

A case of what could have been. If only we had Cam tonight.

AbusesToilets · 06-10-2020 3:04am

We absolutely could've won that game with Cam. Defense played a great game overall, they should've had 3 picks. Hope we have enough to beat the Broncos at home without Can and get to the Bye

paulie21 · 06-10-2020 7:18am

Hoyer not knowing we had no timeouts is poor for a guy who's supposed to be the experienced head out there

BizzyC · 06-10-2020 7:34am

I hope we don't see Hoyer on the field again this season.
He had some bad throws, and his presence and poise in the pocket was non-existent.

Giving Stidham a full game would have been more beneficial all round, I'm not worried about his 2 picks, one was 100% on Jules and the other was practically a punt at the end.

The Defence did a great job, KC offence only had 19 points despite being handed the ball twice by Hoyer with decent field position.
I think that game was definitely winnable if we had Cam, but my god we need a better plan B than Hoyer.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 06-10-2020 10:41am

BizzyC wrote: »

I hope we don't see Hoyer on the field again this season.
He had some bad throws, and his presence and poise in the pocket was non-existent.

Giving Stidham a full game would have been more beneficial all round, I'm not worried about his 2 picks, one was 100% on Jules and the other was practically a punt at the end.

The Defence did a great job, KC offence only had 19 points despite being handed the ball twice by Hoyer with decent field position.
I think that game was definitely winnable if we had Cam, but my god we need a better plan B than Hoyer.

I agree than Stidham should start, but that last one was on him, Byrd was open, but it was underthrown.

Utter BS by the officials to say it was sack rather than a sack and a fumble by Mahomes. That was a huge play. They weren't so generous to Hoyer later in the game. Two huge calls in the Red zone.

eagle eye · 06-10-2020 10:50am

Stidham threw another pick that was called back for PI and it was a bad throw.
It appears there's accuracy issues with him.
I suppose you'd have to see him get a start to.properlu evaluate but I wouldn't be all that confidential based off what we seen last night.
Shocked at Hoyer's errors last night. I never rated him as a great one but always felt his decision making was his best attribute.

Christy42 · 06-10-2020 11:00am

BizzyC wrote: »

I hope we don't see Hoyer on the field again this season.
He had some bad throws, and his presence and poise in the pocket was non-existent.

Giving Stidham a full game would have been more beneficial all round, I'm not worried about his 2 picks, one was 100% on Jules and the other was practically a punt at the end.

The Defence did a great job, KC offence only had 19 points despite being handed the ball twice by Hoyer with decent field position.
I think that game was definitely winnable if we had Cam, but my god we need a better plan B than Hoyer.

While a pick 6 was not his fault that pass was about to see Edelman get blown up for no gain. It was a terrible decision that got magnified by an iffy ball and a bad catch attempt.

AbusesToilets · 06-10-2020 8:00pm

paulie21 wrote: »

Hoyer not knowing we had no timeouts is poor for a guy who's supposed to be the experienced head out there

Inexcusable. Presumably the play drawn up was a quick throw option or just chuck into the stands. How does he **** that up? Even taking the penalty for intentional grounding would've worked.

BizzyC · 07-10-2020 8:44am

I'm not saying I though Stidham looked good out there, just that I'm more forgiving of his mistakes.
He came into a game in a bad situation and he has barely played in the NFL.

Someone like Stidham has a chance to improve from any kind of exposure, Hoyer is beyond that and has shown he simply isn't good.

Christy42 · 07-10-2020 9:46am

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Inexcusable. Presumably the play drawn up was a quick throw option or just chuck into the stands. How does he **** that up? Even taking the penalty for intentional grounding would've worked.

He seemed to be calling for a timeout as he got up. Seems like he missed track of the situation. Didn't expect him to be good but he seems to have lost composure a bit. Obviously there is a lot going on in such a high pressure situation but I expect the veteran to manage that.

Neither is the answer. Everyone knew Hoyer was not the answer. It was just expected he might manage a more stable job to keep things ticking over when Cam is out.

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