Off licences and draconian closing times

mickstupp

I never thought forward planning would be so difficult for adults.

Azalea

mickstupp wrote: »

I never thought forward planning would be so difficult for adults.

You could read the posts about plans sometimes changing, people sometimes feeling like doing something off the cuff I suppose
I never thought it would be so difficult for adults to recognise spontaneity in other adults.

Azalea

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Yup, extending it at the weekend is a fair idea. If this was posted in the Trivial Things That Annoy Me thread I'd say fair enough, I just can't get over people on here acting like access to alcohol is some kind of right?

I'd consider it a fairly rare occurrence that you'd have a spontaneous get together after 10pm. If it's a common occurrence, have a bottle of something in the press.

I used to get two bottles of wine with my housemates around 8 or 9 on a summer evening, then we'd have 'the chat' again at 9.50 to see did we want two more.

But people just don't always have drink in the house - a good thing in my book.
Yes, adults do have the right to alcohol - most of us are responsible drinkers. Why should we get dragged down by the irresponsible pissheads?

That's a lot of wine by the way!

The Backwards Man

Azalea wrote: »

But sometimes it's not planned for - it's just off the cuff, plans changing etc. People would just like the option should the wish arise.
The "sensible" crew in relation to this and Good Friday are most tiresome. They're not even thinking, they're just firing out patronising soundbites for thanks (with sneery, passive aggressive, trollish ":)" symbols) - and protesting too much in the case of those who are very fond of their drink indeed.

11.30pm closing of the offy on a Friday and Saturday night would be enough in my opinion.

I use the smilie to show that it's not that serious an issue for me and I'm in no way annoyed or put out by the opinions of others. It's a topic that gives me more bemusement than anything else.

Azalea

The Backwards Man wrote: »

I use the smilie to show that it's not that serious an issue for me and I'm in no way annoyed or put out by the opinions of others. It's a topic that gives me more bemusement than anything else.

You're being inflammatory and thanks fishing - regularly.

thattequilagirl

Azalea wrote: »

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Yes, adults do have the right to alcohol - most of us are responsible drinkers. Why should we get dragged down by the irresponsible pissheads?

There is no right to alcohol, that's ridiculous.

Jim Jeffries does a great skit on why laws have to be made based on the dumb element of society not the smart ones e.g. Even if you're an incredibly good driver capable of safely driving at high speeds, you have to abide by the speed limits in place for the protection of everyone.

buried

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Azalea wrote: »

There is no right to alcohol, that's ridiculous.

Jim Jeffries does a great skit on why laws have to be made based on the dumb element of society not the smart ones e.g. Even if you're an incredibly good driver capable of safely driving at high speeds, you have to abide by the speed limits in place for the protection of everyone.

But where is the "right" in allowing the pub to sell alcohol after 10pm until 12.30a.m and not the off-licence? That's whats ridiculous

The Backwards Man

Azalea wrote: »

You're being inflammatory and thanks fishing.

Or maybe just giving an opinion that others don't like. Off licenses are open 92 hours a week in this country, how many hours do you think they should be open? 100? 120? 168? 4

Why aren't banks open longer? Swimming pools? Government offices?

Azalea

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Or maybe just giving an opinion that others don't like. Off licenses are open 92 hours a week in this country, how many hours do you think they should be open? 100? 120? 168? 4

Why aren't banks open longer? Swimming pools? Government offices?

Because on Friday and Saturday nights people like drinking - and sometimes it's not always planned ahead for and plans can change. Life isn't always to a schedule and it's dishonest to say it is. 11.30 closing just at weekends is not extreme.
Spontaneity is part of adulthood too.

The Backwards Man

Azalea wrote: »

Because on Friday and Saturday nights people like drinking - and sometimes it's not always planned ahead for and plans can change. Life isn't always to a schedule and it's dishonest to say it is. 11.30 closing at weekends is not extreme.

People like going for a jog on a Sunday, but they usually buy their runners and shorts before they go.

Life isn't to a schedule, I totally agree, but all aspects of our adult life we have to think ahead, and it's dishonest, no, dangerous, to believe our interaction with alcohol should be any different.

To be perfectly honest, the hours the off licenses are open doesn't bother me at all, and yes they could be open longer, it's the attitudes of those annoyed at their closure that is a bigger problem in my opinion, an attitude that would exist even with 24 hour licensing laws.

endacl

buried wrote: »

Were you the only employee in this place?

What's that got to do with anything?

endacl

Azalea wrote: »

You're being inflammatory and thanks fishing - regularly.

While making sense....

It's odd. The accusation of 'thanks fishing' only ever gets chucked out when a poster disagrees with the position of the alleged fisherman, but can't really counter it. Almost as if they made perfect sense...

munster87

The Backwards Man wrote: »

People like going for a jog on a Sunday, but they usually buy their runners and shorts before they go.

Life isn't to a schedule, I totally agree, but all aspects of our adult life we have to think ahead, and it's dishonest, no, dangerous, to believe our interaction with alcohol should be any different.

To be perfectly honest, the hours the off licenses are open doesn't bother me at all, and yes they could be open longer, it's the attitudes of those annoyed at their closure that is a bigger problem in my opinion, an attitude that would exist even with 24 hour licensing laws.

Yes life isn't to a schedule but maybe people don't have the spare time that you have. How often do you post on this site per day!?

thattequilagirl

Azalea wrote: »

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Or maybe just giving an opinion that others don't like. Off licenses are open 92 hours a week in this country, how many hours do you think they should be open? 100? 120? 168? 4

Why aren't banks open longer? Swimming pools? Government offices?

Because on Friday and Saturday nights people like drinking - and sometimes it's not always planned ahead for and plans can change. Life isn't always to a schedule and it's dishonest to say it is. 11.30 closing just at weekends is not extreme.
Spontaneity is part of adulthood too.

Spontaneous things come up occasionally, but most people know what they're doing on Friday night by Wednesday afternoon (sure don't we live for 5pm Friday!)

If it was me, and alcohol was likely to be an important part of my weekend but I didn't know what was happening, I'd buy a bottle "just in case" earlier in the week.

This honestly just isn't an issue for anyone I know.

buried

endacl wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything?

You said "so people who work there can leave and get on with their lives", you make it sound like only one person was working in your old video shop. I don't think that's the case with many off-licences, where numbers of staff members work in shifts and can therefore "get on with their lives" anyway. Staff who work in pubs seem to manage it don't they?

Azalea

endacl wrote: »

While making sense....

It's odd. The accusation of 'thanks fishing' only ever gets chucked out when a poster disagrees with the position of the alleged fisherman, but can't really counter it. Almost as if they made perfect sense...

I would agree with you in a lot of cases but in this case, nope, the reason I say it is because that is what it looks like: not really thinking, just blurting out "adults plan ahead" which will look so sensible and no nonsense. Same with the "sensible" comments about the floods - "cop on, it's just winter weather" whereas actual thinking about things and analysis very easily revealed it was abnormally bad weather.

Adults are nuanced, adults don't have to be babied.

By the way, "can't really counter it" is bollocks - I've very easily countered it.

The Backwards Man

munster87 wrote: »

Yes life isn't to a schedule but maybe people don't have the spare time that you have. How often do you post on this site per day!?

The wonders of the modern age - I'm posting this from outside Winemark in Derry.:)

Azalea

The Backwards Man wrote: »

People like going for a jog on a Sunday, but they usually buy their runners and shorts before they go.

I think your argument would be more affective without the crap analogies.

What's wrong with having the attitude that the off licences should stay open longer? We don't all have access to country pub lock-ins. I find all this "you have no sense re alcohol" rather amusing from you.

Azalea

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Spontaneous things come up occasionally, but most people know what they're doing on Friday night by Wednesday afternoon (sure don't we live for 5pm Friday!)

If it was me, and alcohol was likely to be an important part of my weekend but I didn't know what was happening, I'd buy a bottle "just in case" earlier in the week.

This honestly just isn't an issue for anyone I know.

Buying a bottle of wine just in case - lol, not very healthy attitude to drink.

Plans can change, 10pm on a Friday/Saturday night is early in the evening for many adults, part of being an adult is things being off the cuff, going to the offy can mean four cans - please stop pretending this isn't reality. Thanks.

endacl

Let's see. What else can't I buy 24/7...?

Tyres
Jeans
A goldfish
A spanner
Another spanner
A 180g vinyl copy of Exile on Main Street
A lawnmower
A sofa
A throw rug for the sofa
A washing machine
Oil paints
A fisheye lens for my camera


The list goes on. Where's my outrage? This sh1t's draconian!

suicide_circus

Some people just hate freedom. Communists.

endacl

The Backwards Man wrote: »

The wonders of the modern age - I'm posting this from outside Winemark in Derry.:)

You should pop in and pick up a few bottles! Just in case, like...

Azalea

endacl wrote: »

Let's see. What else can't I buy 24/7...?

Tyres
Jeans
A goldfish
A spanner
Another spanner
A 180g vinyl copy of Exile on Main Street
A lawnmower
A sofa
A throw rug for the sofa
A washing machine
Oil paints
A fisheye lens for my camera


The list goes on. Where's my outrage? This sh1t's draconian!

Zzzzzzz... your "no nonsense and sensible" post fails to take into account that Friday and Saturday nights are a time when adults enjoy drinking alcohol. None of the things you list compare.

But dishonesty and crap analogies seem to be resorted to a lot by those who pretend it's alco talk to want the off licence opened later.

It's fine though for pubs to be serving people who can barely stand up. But someone wanting three cans after 10pm because of a change of plan - alco's!

The Backwards Man

Azalea wrote: »

What's wrong with having the attitude that the off licences should stay open longer? We don't all have access to country pub lock-ins. I find all this "you have no sense re alcohol" rather amusing from you.

What's wrong with the attitude that people have enough time to buy drink during the hours they are currently open?

In answer to the personal jibe, I work about 14 hours on a Monday, which is my 'day off'. I go to the pub for a pint or three as it is open and within walking distance, if it wasn't open it would be no big deal. If I wanted to have a beer in the house I would go to the offie before it closed. If I took a notion of a beer and the offie was closed, it would be no big deal, there's plenty of nights for drinking. Hope my answer was amusing enough.:o

I also think pubs should have far more restrictive opening hours and heavily punitive repercussions for landlords and barstaff serving drunk people, but that's a story for another day.

thattequilagirl

Azalea wrote: »

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Spontaneous things come up occasionally, but most people know what they're doing on Friday night by Wednesday afternoon (sure don't we live for 5pm Friday!)

If it was me, and alcohol was likely to be an important part of my weekend but I didn't know what was happening, I'd buy a bottle "just in case" earlier in the week.

This honestly just isn't an issue for anyone I know.

Buying a bottle of wine just in case - lol, not very healthy attitude to drink.

Plans can change, 10pm on a Friday/Saturday night is early in the evening for many adults, part of being an adult is things being off the cuff, going to the offy can mean four cans - please stop pretending this isn't reality. Thanks.

I'm not pretending - this is a non-issue.

I'm not sure why you think having alcohol at home isn't healthy. My parents keep wine in the house, most of my friends would have a six pack of beer in the fridge.

I think your attitude of "I must have access to alcohol on the off-chance my weekend plans change at the last minute" is much more concerning.

I haven't had a drink in nearly two years, and it throws the Irish relationship with drink into sharp light when you go to house parties, nights out, weddings etc sober.

Anyone who doesn't have a problem should be able to enjoy the odd night out without a drink. I know lots of my friends do it from time to time if they're working the next day or have to drive.

Azalea

You can deem it a personal jibe, I just think of it as spotting hypocrisy.

Azalea

thattequilagirl wrote:

I think your attitude of "I must have access to alcohol on the off-chance my weekend plans change at the last minute" is much more concerning.

I haven't had a drink in nearly two years, and it throws the Irish relationship with drink into sharp light when you go to house parties, nights out, weddings etc sober.

Anyone who doesn't have a problem should be able to enjoy the odd night out without a drink. I know lots of my friends do it from time to time if they're working the next day or have to drive.

Yeah I'm sure you're real concerned.

It doesn't mean I suddenly start climbing the walls out of the blue at 10.05 on a Saturday night - it just means I think the option should be there after 10pm on Saturday night, for others, not just me. I don't drink heavily at all - couldn't manage all the wine you had with your housemates! People might go out, not enjoy town and feel like having a drink at home with friends instead too - that's another scenario, particularly on new year's eve.

I like the "If you don't have a problem" dig, apropos nothing too I can go out without drinking, I never said or indicated I couldn't.

endacl

Azalea wrote: »

Zzzzzzz... your "no nonsense and sensible" post fails to take into account that Friday and Saturday nights are a time when adults enjoy drinking alcohol. None of the things you list compare.

But dishonesty and crap analogies seem to be resorted to a lot by those who pretend it's alco talk to want the off licence opened later.

It's fine though for pubs to be serving people who can barely stand up. But someone wanting three cans after 10pm because of a change of plan - alco's!

Not at all. Personally, Friday and Saturday nights are generally gig nights. I don't drink. My spontaneity happens mid-week.

Just for the record, I'd have no problem with offies opening later. There have been times when it'd have suited me for them to be open later. This adult has, however, adapted to the reality of their opening times. It's not a big thing. Barely even a thing at all, really.

I remember when they kept pub hours. Sometimes that was too early too.

Azalea

I'm a pretty sensible adult - very sensible really. Boring enough. Organised as heck, with my little to-do book and my diary. Have a pathological hatred of people abdicating personal responsibility and having a massive sense of entitlement. But what I love about adulthood, is the way we can do some things we couldn't do as kids - and off the cuff if we want. I'd hate an adulthood that's completely stifled and all about accepting bullshít rules like this, which only exist "just because". Adulthood is about being copped on but it's also about doing your own thing at times and not being treated like a child.

24-hour opening seems extreme in my opinion (although I'm lucky not to have to work nights) but there is nothing unreasonable about looking for a small extension on weekend nights.

Kiwi in IE

The 1030 thing drives me feckin insane. I use wine in cooking loads (stews, pasta sauces etc) and if I have to go to the grocery store, I like to go straight after I've dropped Little Kiwi at school at 0900. If I find I need wine in whatever I'm making for dinner, I have to go back home and wait until feckin 1030! It's so annoying and inconvenient. What possible benefit to anyone is this rule? Has anyone, ever in the history of the world been cured of alcoholism or helped in anyway because they have to wait until 1030 to buy their booze? Will they change their mind about drinking that day simply because it's not available until 1030? If that's what the point is supposed to be, I actually don't know what is the point!