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Why not a show like this for 1916 Centenary?

  • 16-01-2016 2:41am
    #1
    The Chieftain
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    O'Higgins Academy cadets parade in O'Higgins Park, to strains of the "Radetzky March"...
    youtube.com/watch?v=is2oDrnflCU


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  • #2
    donvito99
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    A similar parade as took place in 2006 is happening again, AFAIK.

    But the above is very despotic and quite lame TBH.


  • #3
    The Chieftain
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    donvito99 wrote: »
    A similar parade as took place in 2006 is happening again, AFAIK.

    But the above is very despotic and quite lame TBH.

    I will let you tell the democratically elected president that she was "despotic". I think a 2006 style parade, with troops marching 3-4 abreast is lame. What is needed is 8-10 abreast.


  • #4
    neilled
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    The Chieftain wrote: »
    O'Higgins Academy cadets parade in O'Higgins Park, to strains of the "Radetzky March"...
    youtube.com/watch?v=is2oDrnflCU

    That isn't going to happen. Primarily because goosestepping and picklehaubes are not part of the military tradition of the Defence Forces. If the rebels "Gallant Allies in Europe" had won the war then that case might have been different.

    You also have the width of O'Connell street to take into consideration etc.

    Secondly the "National Army" which evolved into the Defence Forces as we know them today were founded by a mix of Pro Treaty IRA and Ex British Army. Equally many of the anti treaty IRA (Eg Tom Barry) were also veterans of the British Army, hence some of the drills and customs originate from there, with a reduction in the pomp and ceremony aspect of things - again goosestepping isn't part of their tradition either. There were of course some notable exceptions who'd served with the yanks etc "Ginger" O'Connell being one such individual.


  • #5
    riffmongous
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    neilled wrote: »
    That isn't going to happen. Primarily because goosestepping and picklehaubes are not part of the military tradition of the Defence Forces. If the rebels "Gallant Allies in Europe" had won the war then that case might have been different.

    You also have the width of O'Connell street to take into consideration etc.

    Secondly the "National Army" which evolved into the Defence Forces as we know them today were founded by a mix of Pro Treaty IRA and Ex British Army. Equally many of the anti treaty IRA (Eg Tom Barry) were also veterans of the British Army, hence some of the drills and customs originate from there, with a reduction in the pomp and ceremony aspect of things - again goosestepping isn't part of their tradition either. There were of course some notable exceptions who'd served with the yanks etc "Ginger" O'Connell being one such individual.
    Radetzky was Austo-Hungarian (jokingly)


  • #6
    The Chieftain
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    neilled wrote: »
    That isn't going to happen. Primarily because goosestepping and picklehaubes are not part of the military tradition of the Defence Forces.

    The parade step (no need for pejorative terms) was not part of the tradition of the O'Higgins Military Academy either, for the best part of 100 years. But then there was a change, and now it is.
    neilled wrote: »
    If the rebels "Gallant Allies in Europe" had won the war then that case might have been different.

    The only 1916 rebels I know of were those who sided with the British. The rest were patriots.
    neilled wrote: »
    You also have the width of O'Connell street to take into consideration etc.

    I'll be darned if the width of O'Connell St - or would you prefer Sackville St? - limits the number of files in a column to three or four


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  • #7
    neilled
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    The Chieftain wrote: »
    The parade step (no need for pejorative terms) was not part of the tradition of the O'Higgins Military Academy either, for the best part of 100 years. But then there was a change, and now it is.



    The only 1916 rebels I know of were those who sided with the British. The rest were patriots.



    I'll be darned if the width of O'Connell St - or would you prefer Sackville St? - limits the number of files in a column to three or four

    Best part of 100 years? The prussians were there since the late 1800's providing the Chileans (and various other south american forces) with training and equipment with the result that a number of south american forces run along prussian and latter german lines - hence there is a historical military and cultural link to the style of uniforms, helmets and drill not merely a change for the sake of it, this is part of the chileans military heritage and tradition, thse do not happen just because "there was a change" and because The Chieftan thinks the asthetics look better.


  • #8
    The Chieftain
    Registered Users Posts: 298 ✭✭The Chieftain


    neilled wrote: »
    Best part of 100 years? The prussians were there since the late 1800's providing the Chileans (and various other south american forces) with training and equipment with the result that a number of south american forces run along prussian and latter german lines - hence there is a historical military and cultural link to the style of uniforms, helmets and drill not merely a change for the sake of it, this is part of the chileans military heritage and tradition, thse do not happen just because "there was a change" and because The Chieftan thinks the asthetics look better.

    The O'Higgins Military Academy was founded in 1817. The Prussian influence only dates from the 1890s. Now it may be a while since I was at the Brothers, but in my books the difference is the best part of a century.


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