Double Gameweek Planning

Shedite27

After all my planning, ended up having 12 DGW players playing this week, of which 4 only played one game anyway

thunderdog

iroced wrote: »

Depends what you call "success". I won't be satisfied with a marginal green arrow. I had the double advantage of a WC and a 30 players DGW. I picked my players wrong, I got a huge amount of misfortune, PL results did not go my way overall... whatever I'm currently far (between 30-40 pts) away from what I could have gotten had this GW just gone "normal".


You're just a tiny bit below top 10k average so you should not drop that much OR. You kinda experienced both ends of fortune this DGW between Spacecraft unreal return and the injuries/rotations that stung you.

Still 125 (-4) for the week so far isn't too bad for you

iroced

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

I dropped from 4.5k to 9k last night. The most damage down in the harps and boards pay league which i's full of lads in the know. Most wildcarders including yourself are 30 points up on me some up to 50 pts. The wildcard has been a success. I'm not sure what you were expecting out of it you have more than matched the returns of most scores I've seen and hAve gained 30 pts on loads of non wildcarders . Things could change again tonight as I've tc sanchez and ozil but as of now it's been very costly. I got my boost from a previous wildcard and have to hope I can come out the right side of it the week I bb now.

You're trying to make it sound bigger than it really is by comparing yesterday before the games ranks with now. You started the GW at 6570th, you're now 9129th. Not even a 2.6k drop OR.

You had 5 cheap and potentially risky (you actually benched one) DGWers at the back. 6 in attack including 1 gamble and a forward we knew was gonna miss at least the first game. So you were in sh*te position. If the GW had really turned bad for you (Townsend normal return, Kane blank, less unexpected rotation, Coutinho & KDB much higher returns...) you could have lost 100 pts on those players in the know. So 25-30 pts is nothing really.

What was I expected?

• In theory? 200 pts! 6 pts average per player per game + an additional 8 "lucky factor".
  
  
• In practice? Coutinho & Sakho not to be rested twice out of their last 3 games. I'm not even mentioning Mignolet. Fosu Mensah to play more than 1 min (to get me 1 CS at least). Delaney not to get an OG. Darmian not to burnfùck me with yesterday's retuns (but that's kind of irrelevant, I didn't own him anymore), Mitrovic not to be benched twice, KDB to return more than 8 pts.
  Overall, that's a reasonable (considering my 3 main differentials Couts, KDB, Mitro late form) 25-30 pts my way. The impact for my OR would have been immense because they'll have taken other players points.
  
  
• Now Sakho & Bolasie prevented me from total carnage. But, I'm always looking at the bigger picture. So, in a way, Bolasie returned what he should have in his previous DGW. And Sakho with his great return yesterday just matched 2 CS and 2 BPs over 3 games (he cost me -1 the previous GW), don't think that was the end of the world to ask from him.

Oh and I was also expecting a better DGW33, not to "have to" use any transfers for 34 such that I would not have to take further hits for 35 now. Again, I'm looking at the big picture. It did not work. C'est pas grave, it's just a game.

iroced

thunderdog wrote: »

Still 125 (-4) for the week so far isn't too bad for you

Admittedly, but it's all and always dependent upon your own situation and circumstances though.

If I take an example from real life football, my 125 (-4) feels like Wolfsburg 2-0 win vs Real Madrid at home.
Wolfsburg started all over the place, Real had their hand on the game but they did not score, assumed it'll be easy and fell asleep. Wolfsburg went ahead. Twice. They missed the 3-0 several times from counter-attacks. They then lost 3-0 in Santiago Bernabeu in the return leg and got knocked out of CL.
In the meantime, they only took 1 pt out of 9 in Bundesliga, abandoning almost all hope of playing Europe next year.

So an achievement at first glance led to defeat and a kinda "disaster" for the club. Exactly my post WC situation.

It's no big deal. As I said it's just a game. But I don't understand why it seems you can't look at the big picture and call a failure a failure . Now it can always be worse, my missus' facing this week a team that's in the 60ies with Kane & Alli benched who will not come in. And it's no zombie team!

Iused2likebusts

iroced wrote: »

You're trying to make it sound bigger than it really is by comparing yesterday before the games ranks with now. You started the GW at 6570th, you're now 9129th. Not even a 2.6k drop OR.

You had 5 cheap and potentially risky (you actually benched one) DGWers at the back. 6 in attack including 1 gamble and a forward we knew was gonna miss at least the first game. So you were in sh*te position. If the GW had really turned bad for you (Townsend normal return, Kane blank, less unexpected rotation, Coutinho & KDB much higher returns...) you could have lost 100 pts on those players in the know. So 25-30 pts is nothing really.

What was I expected?

• In theory? 200 pts! 6 pts average per player per game + an additional 8 "lucky factor".
  
  
• In practice? Coutinho & Sakho not to be rested twice out of their last 3 games. I'm not even mentioning Mignolet. Fosu Mensah to play more than 1 min (to get me 1 CS at least). Delaney not to get an OG. Darmian not to burnfùck me with yesterday's retuns (but that's kind of irrelevant, I didn't own him anymore), Mitrovic not to be benched twice, KDB to return more than 8 pts.
  Overall, that's a reasonable (considering my 3 main differentials Couts, KDB, Mitro late form) 25-30 pts my way. The impact for my OR would have been immense because they'll have taken other players points.
  
  
• Now Sakho & Bolasie prevented me from total carnage. But, I'm always looking at the bigger picture. So, in a way, Bolasie returned what he should have in his previous DGW. And Sakho with his great return yesterday just matched 2 CS and 2 BPs over 3 games (he cost me -1 the previous GW), don't think that was the end of the world to ask from him.

Oh and I was also expecting a better DGW33, not to "have to" use any transfers for 34 such that I would not have to take further hits for 35 now. Again, I'm looking at the big picture. It did not work. C'est pas grave, it's just a game.

9dgw players kane and Morgan and TC sanchez. I expected to lose ground but not a huge amount it's not over yet though. My team was in reasonable shape obviously not a's good a's lads with wildcards. Your looking at it from a best case scenario for you and a worst case scenario for me and talk about losing 100 pts on people in the know is crazy talk. I know it can happen but your looking at everything going wrong for one side and right for the other side. My transfers this week we're bolasie and jags to fosu and townsend for -4. It gained me no points.

iroced

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

9dgw players kane and Morgan and TC sanchez. I expected to lose ground but not a huge amount it's not over yet though. My team was in reasonable shape obviously not a's good a's lads with wildcards. Your looking at it from a best case scenario for you and a worst case scenario for me and talk about losing 100 pts on people in the know is crazy talk. I know it can happen but your looking at everything going wrong for one side and right for the other side. My transfers this week we're bolasie and jags to fosu and townsend for -4. It gained me no points.

Sorry but no. I'm having difficulties getting understood lately, apologies in advance.

I'm not comparing my situation with yours. Just taking them as isolated examples. Let's say they're in 2 different realities. And I definitely rest my case. The following 3 cases (worst case scenario for you, possible better scenario with 30 DGWers for me, best case scenario for me) could each one have happened as much as what did actually happen.

1. You said things went bad for you as you expected. I just gave you an example, not that crazy IMO, where you could have lost 100 pts on rivals. Kane 2 pointer + Townsend 7 pts (just an assist - think many of his owners would have been decently happy with that) = you lose 20 pts. Now take FHFC WC team. Let's say he got Darmian with his WC and kept him on the bench. Let's also say he followed your advice (re Kane & Alli) and kept Alli (instead of getting in Barkley) over Kane and took a punt on Carroll after his 16 pointer vs Arsenal. Crazy? Maybe a tad. But he was chasing. Sword or shield? Huh?
   
   That's Lukaku + Kane -> Sturridge + Carroll (no pts hit) instead of Lukaku + Barkley + Delaney -> Sturridge + Townsend + Fosu Mensah.
   Alli vs Townsend = -1
   Carroll vs Kane = +2
   Darmian vs FM = +16
   no 4 pts hit = +4
   That's an extra 21 pts. He'd be on 169 vs your hypothetical 79 (-4).
   If Sanchez gets 6 pts tonight, Ozil 3, Arsenal CS & Bellerin a goal and 3 BPs, you lose an extra 6 pts on him. That's a 100 pts diff.
   
   You can call that a disasterous worst case scenario. Considering the amount of upset & uncertainties the last couple of GWs brought us, I'd feel offended you call that crazy talk.
   
   
2. Now, the 25-30 pts extra I could have gotten are not a best case scenario. I feel it's an "average" one considering recent form: 3 pts from Mig in his first game, 1 extra from Sakho, 5 extra from FM, 2 extra from Delaney not getting an OG, 5-8 more from Coutinho, 3-5 extra from KDB, 5-6 from Mitrovic (he almost got it from his almost extra assist in the very little gametime he had). I don't even include Bolasie extra 2 pts. That's 24-30 pts extra.
   
   
3. Best case scenario would have been Rashford matching Sturridge & Fosu-Mensah matching Smalling (see I'm not that greedy to dare going up to Darmian's return ), Coutinho matching Firmino, KDB matching Noble, Mitrovic matching Carroll and all my players featuring twice 60+ min. That's about a 50 pts shift. Twice more than my "expectations".

Best case scenario is actually what Townsend, Kane, Alli & Sturridge returned to their owners. In fairness, I know the feeling, I already had such GWs. Thing is I never needed such one as much as this season because of my previous mistakes. It did not happen. Not the end of the world. But frustrating the way it went and a definite failure despite my very decent score if you isolate it over this very GW34 only.

FHFC

Benimar

Now that the dust has settled on DGW34, it seems to have worked out well for a lot of people. I, unfortunately, am not one of those people.

As it stands I will never link my BB to a WC again, the GW32 WC has been an unmitigated disaster for me in OR (down from 33k to 43k) and in my ML (60 point swing to my main rival)

Having scored lower with my post WC team in GW32 and 33 I was all in on DGW34, having a potential 29 players. I scored 116 (-4), which works out at less than 4 points a player ie: slightly less than double the points I would have gotten just for everyone showing up!

By setting my team up early I knew I ran the risk of injury/rotation, but I never thought I'd have 5 players sit out an entire game and another 4 make 1 point cameos.

Yes, I made mistakes - Ozil as captain over Aguero, due to security of minutes (Aguero played 1 minute less in the end!) - but some 'logical' decisions went against me. I went Mitrovic over Sturridge as I figured Mitro was 1st choice and Sturridge was a massive rotation risk - Mitro plays 47 minutes and Sturridge played the 2nd most minutes of any Liverpool player!

The Ozil/Sanchez choice, which I had been on the right side of all season really bit me in the ass at the wrong time, that was a 40 point swing on its own.

I now have only 10 for this GW (and a FT), but given that I have 3 Liverpool, Gabriel and Mitrovic, the negative impact of the WC will only increase I fear

I let the chips dictate my moves this season. I won't be letting that happen again.

MaroonAndGreen

Benimar wrote:

I let the chips dictate my moves this season. I won't be letting that happen again.

Im the same, Sanchez captain saved me and a lot of others I suspect.

I'll never forgive LVG for his rotation and dropping Fosu Mensah

Shedite27

Yeah, lets remember this next time round, a good player (Alli/Kane) playing once can do more damage than a player with a DGW (who has a 50/50 chance of being rotated the way I see it).

No doubt I will have forgotton this advice by DGW37

JIdontknow

Captaining Ozil on double game week 34 = complete disaster! Sitting watching people who captained there neighbours cat get more points. Mesut, goodbye, I will never forgive you, even with that cheeky smile and wink!

schizo1014

JIdontknow wrote: »

Captaining Ozil on double game week 34 = complete disaster! Sitting watching people who captained there neighbours cat get more points. Mesut, goodbye, I will never forgive you, even with that cheeky smile and wink!

I hear ya I done the same, 10 points for a double game week I honestly dunno why I thought it was a good idea, Milner has more assists than him ffs

JIdontknow

I thought surely he might get a goal and assist between the two games, at least that would have been 24 points or more depending on cs and bonus, but no, no, he did the bare minimum, at least he was nice enough to not get a yellow card though!

siblers

I too captained Ozil, he'll be leaving my team next gw.

Officer999

Wasting my TC on Martial while Aguero, Sanchez, and Kane filled their boots made this the worse Gameweek in my 5 years of playing FF.

What's worse than rolling the dice and getting a one? Everyone around you rolling a 6

KizzyMonster

So is week 37 the only DGW left to go?
Who's got a double that week?

Aenaes

Norwich, Man Utd, Sunderland, Chelsea, West Ham, Everton, Liverpool and Watford have doubles.

FHFC

So. Hazard.

Owned him for 2 disastrous spells already this season.

One last time!?!

FHFC

FHFC wrote: »

So. Hazard.

Owned him for 2 disastrous spells already this season.

One last time!?!

Not at the price he's at!

extra gravy

FHFC wrote: »

So. Hazard.

Owned him for 2 disastrous spells already this season.

One last time!?!

Could fund him by selling Aguero for Carroll/Defoe in 37...

wonski

extra gravy wrote: »

Could fund him by selling Aguero for Carroll/Defoe in 37...

And only to find out later that Carroll is benched and Aguero scores against Arsenal:D

ElTel

Thinking of going with the DGW combo of Manone and Gomes as my 2 GKs on WC this week. BBing in 37.

ElTel

More DGWers at the expense of Leicester and Spurs assets looks likely for me now.

km79

ElTel wrote: »

More DGWers at the expense of Leicester and Spurs assets looks likely for me now.

I don't think the foxes will clinch it next weekend so could be looking at them winning it at home to a completely disinterested Everton team

Cartman78

ElTel wrote: »

More DGWers at the expense of Leicester and Spurs assets looks likely for me now.

Yep...might hang on to Kane but Alli to Payet is my most likely move

Iused2likebusts

Do we think Payet is a must have. The main reason I'm thinking of going with him is defensive as I can see a lot putting the TC on him due to lack of options. He isn't really explosive but could rack up close to 20 pts over the two games. I wasn't overly sold on him for dgw34 but ended up getting him and subsequently selling last week. He is brilliant at free kicks but that seems to be his main threat and his level of success at them a while back isn't sustainable.

FHFC

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Do we think Payet is a must have. The main reason I'm thinking of going with him is defensive as I can see a lot putting the TC on him due to lack of options. He isn't really explosive but could rack up close to 20 pts over the two games. I wasn't overly sold on him for dgw34 but ended up getting him and subsequently selling last week. He is brilliant at free kicks but that seems to be his main threat and his level of success at them a while back isn't sustainable.

I kinda talked you into it at that time. I was stung badly by letting him go after GW4 after 2 blanks. He went on to score or assist in each of his next 6, killing me big time.

He seems to go on streaks like that. GW5-10 returns every game. 20 to 25 after coming back from injury only one return (a brace vs Bournemouth). Then 26 to 32 returns in 5 out of 6. Before 2 blanks and an assist vs Watford from 33 and 34.

He has scored 5 direct frees this season, all since January but only 2 in the PL. So surprisingly thats 7 of his 9 PL goals from play. He has a lot of assists from his great set piece delivery.

You say he's not explosive but he has 5 double figure scores (and two 9s) in 25 games where he played 60+. He has scored or assisted in 15 of those 25. Thats remarkable consistency, but not so much the last 5 or 6 games.

I've it seen any live games lately but the consensus seems to be he is playing well while not getting FPL returns. He is much more effective when playing centrally behind the striker - 5 goals and 3 assists in 8 games there according to whoscored.com https://www.whoscored.com/Players/14058/Show/Dimitri-Payet

Not pitching for or against. Just having a look at the stats behind your question. Don't think I'll be letting go. Have Alli to free a slot in midfield and defence issues, but i reckon I'd keep him even if i was wildcarding.

Ziegler1988

Payet is a must for me, been unlucky not to score more in DGW34. That assist for Kouyate against Leicester goes in and he scores one of his multiple chances against Watford and that was a 20 point GW

Texas Jack

Brought in Willian last week and he got me a 8 points

Worth holding onto, especially considering the DGW?

It's a choice of losing him or Bolasie for Payet

breffni bogballer

Gomes/DDG

Smalling baines aspi, kirchof olsonn

payet,fab,sanchez,lennon, antonio


studge,caroll,martial


will have 2 ft and BB for GW37 so i hope i fairly well set up