The Division

Gehad_JoyRider

So I've been searching but there hasn't really been any mention of it in here,
granted we, Haven't seen the pc performance of the game on pc how ever I did come across this article here to be fair it seems very good and the fact I can switch lens flare of is even better.

But anyway, just wondering, whats every one thinking?

I'm not on a hype train but I may pre-purchases this...

TheKells

I'm really looking forward to it. Gonna be busy until mid April though so will hold off getting it. Hopefully it's as good as it looks. I like the whole open world co-op rpg shooter thing it's got.

Dair76

Initially I was fairly non-plussed, but feedback on the Dark Zone mechanic seems like it could make for some interesting gameplay. Edging towards a buy (assuming the game launches without any major Ubiesque probs).

VinLieger

I'm optimistic about it, I've managed to snag a beta key for the PC so won't be making a full decision on it till I've played that but really looking forward to giving it a test run

Falthyron

When The Division was first demonstrated I was very excited. The level of detail, the realism, and the graphics looked excellent. I knew this was a game I was going to sink hours into. That was 2013. Today, and after seeing gameplay videos and reading about the game, I am much more likely to pass, which is a real shame.

The graphics look average (typical UbiSoft downgrade?), the bullet-sponging enemies looks ridiculous in a game aspiring to be as realistic as any Tom Clancy game set in a world that is trying to be a 1:1 replica of New York City, and it isn't really as multiplayer as I once thought. Apparently you meet people in the prescribed safe zones and head out in a party from there, you won't meet people scavenging or fighting on the streets.

Having said that, I do have a beta key for next weekend and I will put in a few hours to give it a good test, but my interest and excitement for this game has depleted quite a bit. One of the previewers at GameSpot said: 'It is a good and competent game, but in the three hours I played it never felt like a GREAT game'. I fear the reviews will reflect this and the inevitable comparison to Destiny will be made repeatedly. This reinforces my theory of games that try to be 'multi-disciplinary' are becoming poor, brown, generic, mundane titles with very little soul or passion to keep playing apart from the one-armed bandit psychological tempting mechanics driving them. Games that don't cross the boundary (and I mean games that describe themselves as all of these wrapped into one: rogue-like, survival horror, RPG, turn-based, shooter - for example) seem to excel and perform better critically. Wolfenstein: New Order and Rise of the Tomb Raider are perfect examples of this. Both games didn't have much expectation to be a success (especially Wolfenstein as it had no multiplayer) and yet it was quite easily a major sleeper hit in 2014. It was a pure single-player FPS with great shooting mechanics and an interesting story. If we compare that to Fallout 4, a game expected to be genre defining (which genre exactly?!), sell incredible records and be a GOTY contender, was received as great, but not perfection or as high as was expected. In fact, as time passes that opinion may decline and this could be attributed to the fact that Fallout 4 tried to do too much, tried to appeal to too many bases - FPS, RPG, Minecraft, BioWare-style.

Maybe its just me, but I prefer games to be one thing from the outset and build a game about excelling in ONE particular genre/mechanic/element than simply taking an idea and trying to spread it across a great number of 'in fashion' genres or styles. In the end the game becomes 'ok/good' at a lot of things, but not great or brilliant with at least one thing. I think The Division underwent a number of changes to reflect the current trend of 'popular' styles, Destiny, Borderlands, MOBA-ish, by trying to blend tactical shooter with RPG, MMO-lite, and DayZ-ish. To use the words of Eamon Dunphy: "It will be a good game, but not a great game."

Falthyron

When The Division was first demonstrated I was very excited. The level of detail, the realism, and the graphics looked excellent. I knew this was a game I was going to sink hours into. That was 2013. Today, and after seeing gameplay videos and reading about the game, I am much more likely to pass, which is a real shame.

The graphics look average (typical UbiSoft downgrade?), the bullet-sponging enemies looks ridiculous in a game aspiring to be as realistic as any Tom Clancy game set in a world that is trying to be a 1:1 replica of New York City, and it isn't really as multiplayer as I once thought. Apparently you meet people in the prescribed safe zones and head out in a party from there, you won't meet people scavenging or fighting on the streets.

Having said that, I do have a beta key for next weekend and I will put in a few hours to give it a good test, but my interest and excitement for this game has depleted quite a bit. One of the previewers at GameSpot said: 'It is a good and competent game, but in the three hours I played it never felt like a GREAT game'. I fear the reviews will reflect this and the inevitable comparison to Destiny will be made repeatedly. This reinforces my theory of games that try to be 'multi-disciplinary' are becoming poor, brown, generic, mundane titles with very little soul or passion to keep playing apart from the one-armed bandit psychological tempting mechanics driving them. Games that don't cross the boundary (and I mean games that describe themselves as all of these wrapped into one: rogue-like, survival horror, RPG, turn-based, shooter - for example) seem to excel and perform better critically. Wolfenstein: New Order and Rise of the Tomb Raider are perfect examples of this. Both games didn't have much expectation to be a success (especially Wolfenstein as it had no multiplayer) and yet it was quite easily a major sleeper hit in 2014. It was a pure single-player FPS with great shooting mechanics and an interesting story. If we compare that to Fallout 4, a game expected to be genre defining (which genre exactly?!), sell incredible records and be a GOTY contender, was received as great, but not perfection or as high as was expected. In fact, as time passes that opinion may decline and this could be attributed to the fact that Fallout 4 tried to do too much, tried to appeal to too many bases - FPS, RPG, Minecraft, BioWare-style.

Maybe its just me, but I prefer games to be one thing from the outset and build a game about excelling in ONE particular genre/mechanic/element than simply taking an idea and trying to spread it across a great number of 'in fashion' genres or styles. In the end the game becomes 'ok/good' at a lot of things, but not great or brilliant with at least one thing. I think The Division underwent a number of changes to reflect the current trend of 'popular' styles, Destiny, Borderlands, MOBA-ish, by trying to blend tactical shooter with RPG, MMO-lite, and DayZ-ish. To use the words of Eamon Dunphy: "It will be a good game, but not a great game."

Falthyron

Apologies for the double post. Boards seems to have problems for me when using the quick reply option.

TheDoc

A game I've been looking forward to very much since the initial preview.

Just unsure if to go with PS4 or PC. Will somewhat depend on what bunch of mates decided to buy.

TheDoc

A game I've been looking forward to very much since the initial preview.

Just unsure if to go with PS4 or PC. Will somewhat depend on what bunch of mates decided to buy.

Maguined

Too many downgrades for it to be a pre-order or on release purchase for myself. My biggest concern is Ubisoft support. My current game that I am playing regularly is Rainbow Six Siege which had a terrible launch and even now after two patches it still has it's serious issues which Ubisoft are taking their time to fix. These were issues highlighted in the closed and open Beta's yet were still included at launch. Ubisoft servers could not handle the player load at launch and are still not very stable and that is for only a small map 5v5 FPS so I would not have much confidence at launch that it can handle the significantly larger scale and player base for The Division.

Shiminay

Some interesting stuff in this preview from PC Gamer: http://www.pcgamer.com/tom-clancys-the-division-impressions-from-the-pc-build

As a triple monitor arsehole, I'm quite pleased to see a game finally have proper support for this - they used to be supported in 2013 and then in 2014 and '15, it just sorta disappeared from a lot of games.

Shiminay

Some interesting stuff in this preview from PC Gamer: http://www.pcgamer.com/tom-clancys-the-division-impressions-from-the-pc-build

As a triple monitor arsehole, I'm quite pleased to see a game finally have proper support for this - they used to be supported in 2013 and then in 2014 and '15, it just sorta disappeared from a lot of games.

dreamers75

Have it preordered looks okish tho.

Specs

Minimum Configuration

Supported OS: Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (64-bit versions only).
Processor: Intel Core i5-2400 | AMD FX-6100, or better.
RAM: 6GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 with 2 GB VRAM (current equivalent NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760) | AMD Radeon HD 7770 with 2 GB VRAM, or better - See supported List*.
Notebook support: Laptop models of these desktop cards may work as long as they are on-par in terms of performance with at least the minimum configuration. For an up-to-date list of supported hardware, please visit the FAQ for this game on our website: http://support.ubi.com
DirectX: Version 11
Hard Drive Space: 40 GB available space.
Optical Drive: DVD-ROM Dual Layer.
Peripherals Supported: Windows-compatible keyboard, mouse, headset, optional controller.
Multiplayer: Broadband connection with 256 kbps upstream, or faster.
Recommended Configuration

Supported OS: Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (64-bit versions only)
Processor: Intel Core i7-3770 | AMD FX-8350, or better.
RAM: 8GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 | AMD Radeon R9 290, or better - See supported List*
Notebook support: Laptop models of these desktop cards may work as long as they are on-par in terms of performance with at least the minimum configuration. For an up-to-date list of supported hardware, please visit the FAQ for this game on our website: http://support.ubi.com
DirectX: Version 11
Hard Drive Space: 40 GB available space.
Optical Drive: DVD-ROM Dual Layer.
Peripherals Supported: Windows-compatible keyboard, mouse, headset, optional controller.
Multiplayer: Broadband connection with 512 kbps upstream, or faster.
*Supported NVIDIA cards at time of release: GeForce GTX500 series: GeForce GTX560 (2 GB VRAM) or better • GeForce GTX600 series: GeForce GTX660 or better • GeForce GTX700 series: GeForce GTX760 or better • GeForce GTX900 Titan series: GeForce GTX960 or better
*Supported AMD cards at time of release: Radeon HD7000 series: Radeon HD7770 (2 GB VRAM) or better • Radeon 200 series: Radeon R7 270 or better • Radeon 300/Fury X series: Radeon R7 370 or better.

dreamers75

Have it preordered looks okish tho.

Specs

Minimum Configuration

Supported OS: Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (64-bit versions only).
Processor: Intel Core i5-2400 | AMD FX-6100, or better.
RAM: 6GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 560 with 2 GB VRAM (current equivalent NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760) | AMD Radeon HD 7770 with 2 GB VRAM, or better - See supported List*.
Notebook support: Laptop models of these desktop cards may work as long as they are on-par in terms of performance with at least the minimum configuration. For an up-to-date list of supported hardware, please visit the FAQ for this game on our website: http://support.ubi.com
DirectX: Version 11
Hard Drive Space: 40 GB available space.
Optical Drive: DVD-ROM Dual Layer.
Peripherals Supported: Windows-compatible keyboard, mouse, headset, optional controller.
Multiplayer: Broadband connection with 256 kbps upstream, or faster.
Recommended Configuration

Supported OS: Windows 7, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 (64-bit versions only)
Processor: Intel Core i7-3770 | AMD FX-8350, or better.
RAM: 8GB
Video Card: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970 | AMD Radeon R9 290, or better - See supported List*
Notebook support: Laptop models of these desktop cards may work as long as they are on-par in terms of performance with at least the minimum configuration. For an up-to-date list of supported hardware, please visit the FAQ for this game on our website: http://support.ubi.com
DirectX: Version 11
Hard Drive Space: 40 GB available space.
Optical Drive: DVD-ROM Dual Layer.
Peripherals Supported: Windows-compatible keyboard, mouse, headset, optional controller.
Multiplayer: Broadband connection with 512 kbps upstream, or faster.
*Supported NVIDIA cards at time of release: GeForce GTX500 series: GeForce GTX560 (2 GB VRAM) or better • GeForce GTX600 series: GeForce GTX660 or better • GeForce GTX700 series: GeForce GTX760 or better • GeForce GTX900 Titan series: GeForce GTX960 or better
*Supported AMD cards at time of release: Radeon HD7000 series: Radeon HD7770 (2 GB VRAM) or better • Radeon 200 series: Radeon R7 270 or better • Radeon 300/Fury X series: Radeon R7 370 or better.

Gehad_JoyRider

Maguined wrote: »

Too many downgrades for it to be a pre-order or on release purchase for myself. My biggest concern is Ubisoft support. My current game that I am playing regularly is Rainbow Six Siege which had a terrible launch and even now after two patches it still has it's serious issues which Ubisoft are taking their time to fix. These were issues highlighted in the closed and open Beta's yet were still included at launch. Ubisoft servers could not handle the player load at launch and are still not very stable and that is for only a small map 5v5 FPS so I would not have much confidence at launch that it can handle the significantly larger scale and player base for The Division.

I agree they have a lot to live up to, the down grade for console had to happen, that's just a fact i'd say the original video needed a pretty strong pc to play it on no way in hell thats a console unless of course its a cinematic/animation... which it could possibly.

I'm confident in the pc's graphical fidelity to a degree. judging bye the flat looking environment on the Xbox one. of all consoles to show the world a game on.. I think pc will be a different kettle of fish, tho I am going to get my self a ig bowl of popcorn and read redit after the beta :pac::D

Falthyron

Just to let everyone know, you can start pre-loading The Division on uPlay. Mine is currently downloading and the total size is 26.2gb.

Shiminay

I eagerly await Monday afternoon when I'm back in civilisation (I'm headed to Cork for Warpcon this weekend) and I can read how it all went.

Spear

Steam preload is up too.

Kiith

I'm actually quite looking forward to this. Not sure i'll bother with the beta, but will definitely give it a go.

VinLieger

Spear wrote: »

Steam preload is up too.

Curious is this like other uplay games in steam where it just acts like a uplay launcher?

Maguined

Gehad_JoyRider wrote: »

I agree they have a lot to live up to, the down grade for console had to happen, that's just a fact i'd say the original video needed a pretty strong pc to play it on no way in hell thats a console unless of course its a cinematic/animation... which it could possibly.

I'm confident in the pc's graphical fidelity to a degree. judging bye the flat looking environment on the Xbox one. of all consoles to show the world a game on.. I think pc will be a different kettle of fish, tho I am going to get my self a ig bowl of popcorn and read redit after the beta :pac::D

The PC will have better graphics but I still doubt it will live up to the trailers. It is pretty much just a staple of Ubisoft now that the game will never look as good as the initial trailers. They have the capacity but they always rush to release games on time rather than giving it the extra polish they need.

If Siege on pc still nowhere near looks as good as the original trailers I just cannot see The Division living up to it.

kevovek

So I have a beta key for this but cant remember my uplay password. They are not sending me out the reset email and I cant ask a question on the support page without logging in... asked on twitter but I wont hold my breath.

dreamers75

Can give it to me, the one I got didnt work

Cravez

Apparently if you've registered your nVidia GPU then nVidia should give you a beta key for this. Not sure on the details how (probably automatically by e-mail if you've registered)

Falthyron

Does anybody know what time exactly does the beta start for PC?

Kiith

It's tomorrow on the pc isn't it? Thought it was today on the XOne.

VinLieger

Falthyron wrote: »

Does anybody know what time exactly does the beta start for PC?

For PC and PS4 it starts at 7am EST so 12 noon for us

Skerries

beta key give away

looks like it is getting hammered

kevovek

Sorted my Uplay account taking ages to try redeem the key though

Spear

kevovek wrote: »

Sorted my Uplay account taking ages to try redeem the key though

Ubisofts backend infrastructure can, in the most polite words possible, only be described as amateur.

Spear

VinLieger wrote: »

Curious is this like other uplay games in steam where it just acts like a uplay launcher?

Kinda. It still calls Uplay, and needs a Uplay activation code, though the download and installation is still done within Steam.

TheDoc

Friend got his beta and says its crashing all over the kip haha.

Eagerly awaiting his feedback. game I've followed closely. Was going to maybe get it for PS4, but looks like good interest in my group of PC games. Really hoping it is good, because the concept is amazing

TheDoc

Friend got his beta and says its crashing all over the kip haha.

Eagerly awaiting his feedback. game I've followed closely. Was going to maybe get it for PS4, but looks like good interest in my group of PC games. Really hoping it is good, because the concept is amazing

dreamers75

Fair few bugs but expected in a full release ubi game so beta its cool.

I cant shoot/aim with KB, can aim with pad but cant shoot.

Guess my role is UN observer

Calvin

dreamers75 wrote: »

Fair few bugs but expected in a full release ubi game so beta its cool.

I cant shoot/aim with KB, can aim with pad but cant shoot.

Guess my role is UN observer

I had the same issue. Couldn't aim or shoot with mouse, but alt+tabbing or logging out and back in seems to fix it.

Gehad_JoyRider

Maguined wrote: »

The PC will have better graphics but I still doubt it will live up to the trailers. It is pretty much just a staple of Ubisoft now that the game will never look as good as the initial trailers. They have the capacity but they always rush to release games on time rather than giving it the extra polish they need.

If Siege on pc still nowhere near looks as good as the original trailers I just cannot see The Division living up to it.

I think it lives up graphically can happily except some what of a down grade does it bother me? nope: I play games to be entertained not to nit pick and bull **** can i see my self playing it? yes, will I be playing it on release yep.

I thought the pc version was a lot stronger then the xbone game play.

my only concern is where are they going to go with future content? I think enough people on you tube have said that, I agree and is the only concern I have surrounding the game Other then that a few beta niggles.

CruelCoin

Some observations from 30mins in, will add when i play more.

1 - Graphics are a letdown. I'm running a GTX970 and an i7-4790k, a decent IPS screen and everything set to max. My graphics card doesn't seem to be sweating in the slightest, and it just looks generally meh. The 970 is a few generations old now, and this being able to run the very latest game with ease? I smell filthy console in the air.

2 - Whats with the control scheme? "Hey, lets just map all the 'press Y' places to space instead. It feels weird, given i have a bloody mouse right here.

CruelCoin

Some observations from 30mins in, will add when i play more.

1 - Graphics are a letdown. I'm running a GTX970 and an i7-4790k, a decent IPS screen and everything set to max. My graphics card doesn't seem to be sweating in the slightest, and it just looks generally meh. The 970 is a few generations old now, and this being able to run the very latest game with ease? I smell filthy console in the air.

2 - Whats with the control scheme? "Hey, lets just map all the 'press Y' places to space instead. It feels weird, given i have a bloody mouse right here.

3 - Crash number 1.

4 - Control issue. Press and hold shift to run, now press and hold ctrl to vault. This is awkward as ****. Feels like its been designed by someone who just picked at random two buttons close together.

5 - Just killed two guys. Needed 3 headshots each. And no loot dropped. No guns, ammo, nothing. Guns they were firing at me made of steam it seems.

6 - Civilians are bulletproof

7 - Cover based gameplay sits really badly with something meant to be open world.

Screw this, refund time.

Calvin

CruelCoin wrote: »

1 - Graphics are a letdown. I'm running a GTX970 and an i7-4790k, a decent IPS screen and everything set to max. My graphics card doesn't seem to be sweating in the slightest, and it just looks generally meh. The 970 is a few generations old now, and this being able to run the very latest game with ease? I smell filthy console in the air.

4 - Control issue. Press and hold shift to run, now press and hold ctrl to vault. This is awkward as ****. Feels like its been designed by someone who just picked at random two buttons close together.
.

Is the 970 supposed to sweat when running these types of games? Also thought the 970 was recommended by the devs so that you could run the game with ease.

Also, re: controls, you press shift once to toggle between walk and run and just hold W :P I don't find it to be that much of an issue tbh.

CruelCoin

Calvin Leong wrote: »

Is the 970 supposed to sweat when running these types of games? Also thought the 970 was recommended by the devs so that you could run the game with ease.

Also, re: controls, you press shift once to toggle between walk and run and just hold W :P I don't find it to be that much of an issue tbh.

Fair enough, i hadn't read the dev notes.

Didn't know about the toggle.

Shiminay

So open beta this weekend, who's up for making a camp in the Dark Zone and wrecking heads? Feel free to add me on UPlay, the username is Davrondomar.

Kiith

I'll be giving it a try anyway. Might pop in for some PvP as well, once i get the hang of it.

Calvin

Can't wait for the open beta..more dark zone is there much more to download compared to the closed beta?

Falthyron

Calvin Leong wrote: »

Can't wait for the open beta..more dark zone is there much more to download compared to the closed beta?

Mine downloaded an additional 1.23gb.

raze_them_all_

Shiminay wrote: »

So open beta this weekend, who's up for making a camp in the Dark Zone and wrecking heads? Feel free to add me on UPlay, the username is Davrondomar.

not as easy as you think, you want a squad of about 8-10 to really do anything in darkzone

Shiminay

raze_them_all_ wrote: »

not as easy as you think, you want a squad of about 8-10 to really do anything in darkzone

Oh, I don't doubt it! There should be enough of us here though

As for me...

Mickeroo

Can you actually have squads of 8-10 in the PC version?

Gehad_JoyRider

Mickeroo wrote: »

Can you actually have squads of 8-10 in the PC version?

Yeah 2 squads of four and ts3

Mickeroo

Gehad_JoyRider wrote: »

Yeah 2 squads of four and ts3

Interesting, any time we tried on the console version to get more than our 4 man squad in it would kick us as soon as it detected someone in the same instance. Thought there was some kind of fail safe built in to stop you teaming up with other folks on your friends list.

Noxin

I'll be around over the weekend after I get a feel for the game.

Dcully

Played a few hours there and got bored to tears.
PVE seems a snoozefest, when do i get to pvp?