Islamic State militants planning for 'large-scale' attacks on Europe

BigJackC

The Islamic State group has honed the ability to launch global attacks and is set to focus more on Europe following the Paris massacre, the chief of EU police agency Europol says.

Rob Wainwright told a news conference that "the so-called Islamic State had developed a new combat-style capability to carry out a campaign of large-scale terrorist attacks on a global stage — with a particular focus in Europe".

Mr Wainwright was unveiling the findings of a new Europol report on changes in how the jihadist group operates, coinciding with the launch of the agency's new counterterrorism centre in The Hague.

"So-called Islamic State has a willingness and a capability to carry out further attacks in Europe, and of course all national authorities are working to prevent that from happening," he added.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-26/islamic-state-planning-large-scale-attacks-on-europe-europol/7114274

ISIS just released a video of the Paris attackers where they are beheading people and talking about the (future at the time) attack in Paris. The end of the video strongly suggests that the next target is the UK. Worrying stuff.

Hypothetically speaking, what would happen if Ireland was attacked by these lads? We are on their "list". I'm really curious how we would react in general. We have never been attacked by an external enemy in modern times and it's not a scenario we ever expected to be in. We feel safe on this isolated island, we have a knowing that if anyone attacked us the world would react on our behalf. But can we really just take an attack like that and leave it to the rest of the world to retaliate?

Or do we just continue with the "ah sure it will be grand" philosophy.

It's a morbidly interesting thing to think about.

I know I would be beyond furious.

tomwaterford

Pretty sure if they attacked ireland/planned it....they'd get pissed off with the cold and wet and soon make back for the backarse of Syria

kneemos

DEFCON3.

Or orange alert.

Gatling

But ,but ,but

Edward snowden said it's all fake and not to worry

risteard7

The RAF would be straight over if needed. Something we forget

Menas

ISIS attacking Ireland would be a bit like the IRA attacking a tree during the troubles. Pointless.

eeguy

You'd be mad to give a f*ck about ISIS attacks.

You've a better chance being killed on the road than ever being involved in one of those attacks.

4 out of 5 people in the Bataclan theatre on the worse night of violence in France since WW2 got out unharmed and many didn't even know what they were running from.

The papers would be shocking boring if they had nothing to hype.

Gatling

Menas wrote: »

ISIS attacking Ireland would be a bit like the IRA attacking a tree during the troubles. Pointless.

We're a pretty soft target were democratic, western ,and not exactly prepared to deal with a spectacular terror attack like Paris or else where

buried

F**K these fundamentalist pigs. They're fascist trash who are totally bats in the head. If you start changing your life, where you want to live, where you want to visit, where you want to go etc just because this utter trash spout their utter f**king fascist, hyped, violent, propaganda gibberish then they've already won.

Fr_Dougal

risteard7 wrote: »

The RAF would be straight over if needed. Something we forget

The RAF wouldn't be able to help in a Paris type attack.

BigJackC

tomwaterford wrote: »

Pretty sure if they attacked ireland/planned it....they'd get pissed off with the cold and wet and soon make back for the backarse of Syria

Yes, Paris is known for its balmy weather during the winter. Good man.

dr.fuzzenstein

BigJackC wrote: »

Yes, Paris is known for its balmy weather during the winter. Good man.

Well, Paris is known for food, culture, music, wine, architecture and generally sophisticated lifestyle. And Ireland..., well,...isn't. And it does have a summer. Ireland only has one season.
But weather aside, we may not a big enough target, so far being a small country on the periphery of Europe has been an advantage. But if they do attack, we are utterly fcuked. Will they Gardai saunter up to them and say "Is this your rrocket prropelled grrenade launcher? Do you have any idea how fasht your prrojectile was going?".
I would feel safer being protected by the London Philharmonic Orchestra.
But in the end you can't worry too much about a few extremists. There always have been and always will be violent people who want to kill everyone. The problem is evolution. We're barely down from the trees and we have just about gotten a tiny bit intelligent. In another 500000 years, we might evolve into a nicer, more gentle species.

tomwaterford

BigJackC wrote: »

Yes, Paris is known for its balmy weather during the winter. Good man.

:pac: :pac:

Fcuk knows why people think they'd bother with anything in ireland outside of Shannon airport??
Upon arriving in Shannon they most likely wouldn't bother blowing the place up...twud only improve it?

osarusan

Nuke ourselves from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

osarusan

Nuke ourselves from orbit.

It's the only way to be sure.

Elessar

We'd have to get Teresa Mannion to do the emergency broadcast

ElChe32

I think we should ask Irish travellers to make ISIS call out videos in response to Daesh

"Here Mohammad, I hear ye were talkin' ****e about my cousin Nancy...I'll fúckin' knock lumps outta any of yiz junkie bastards. I'll fight ye in Rathkeale handball alley and we'll settle this once and for all"

ElChe32

I think we should ask Irish travellers to make ISIS call out videos in response to Daesh

"Here Mohammad, I hear ye were talkin' ****e about my cousin Nancy...I'll fúckin' knock lumps outta any of yiz junkie bastards. I'll fight ye in Rathkeale handball alley and we'll settle this once and for all"

corsav6

Elessar wrote: »

We'd have to get Teresa Mannion to do the emergency broadcast

Or just get her to meet them when they arrive, that should send them packing.

Ulysses Gaze

ElChe32 wrote: »

I think we should ask Irish travellers to make ISIS call out videos in response to Daesh

"Here Mohammad, I hear ye were talkin' ****e about my cousin Nancy...I'll fúckin' knock lumps outta any of yiz junkie bastards. I'll fight ye in Rathkeale handball alley and we'll settle this once and for all"

King of the Travellers v Leader of Isis.

No Holds Barred, bareknuckle fight to the death. The Prize? Peace on Earth.

Only on Sky Pay per View

You can just hear the Ads on Sky.

The Randy Riverbeast

Set the IRA on them. They won against the taliban before.

nacho libre

BigJackC wrote: »

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2016-01-26/islamic-state-planning-large-scale-attacks-on-europe-europol/7114274

ISIS just released a video of the Paris attackers where they are beheading people and talking about the (future at the time) attack in Paris. The end of the video strongly suggests that the next target is the UK. Worrying stuff.



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They have been trying to attack the UK capital for the last couple of years, and Al Qaeda in Iraq before them. For all the attacks that have been foiled, which don't get much press coverage, they only have to get lucky once.

Taking this into consideration I do worry about taking the tube at peak hours sometimes, but then I'm more likely to be killed while driving or when crossing the street.
We all complain about having a bad day at work, but imagine you are an intelligence operative who fails to prevent a terrorist attack due to a double agent or faulty intelligence.I wonder has MI5 sent agents over to join isis with a view to them infiltrating the top brass of Isis. You would want to have some some courage to take on such a role.

Ulysses Gaze

nacho libre wrote: »

They have been trying to attack the UK capital for the last couple of years, and Al Qaeda in Iraq before them. For all the attacks that have been foiled, which don't get much press coverage, they only have to get lucky one.

Taking this into consideration I do worry about taking the tube at peak hours sometimes, but then I'm more likely to be killed while driving or when crossing the street.
We all complain about having a bad at work, but imagine you are an intelligence operative who fails to prevent a terrorist attack due to a double agent or faulty intelligence.I wonder has MI5 sent agents over to join isis with a view to them infilitrating the top brass of Isis. You would want to have some some courage to take on such a role.

You'd also wonder if ISIS have done the same to MI5. Have moles inside.

In the history of warfare, double-agents were always a feature of operations.

coolbeans

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

You'd also wonder if ISIS have done the same to MI5. Have moles inside.

In the history of warfare, double-agents were always a feature of operations.

It's not really warfare though is it. I live in London and despite all their meddling in Iraq and Libya I've more chance of being killed crossing the road than hurt in a terrorist attack. Despite all the hyperbole we're the safest most secure generation that ever existed. The actual threat from these losers is less than miniscule.

the_pen_turner

i think we would make a good target for them.
we have major economic ties with uk and usa.
we have military connections with usa through the Shannon debacle
we have connections all over the world and are loved the world over
an attach on us would really shack up the world
we have little to no chance of stopping such an attack
they could do what they want
our main defence is a guard and his notebook

the_pen_turner

i think we would make a good target for them.
we have major economic ties with uk and usa.
we have military connections with usa through the Shannon debacle
we have connections all over the world and are loved the world over
an attach on us would really shack up the world
we have little to no chance of stopping such an attack
they could do what they want
our main defence is a guard and his notebook

Wolf Club

Gatling wrote: »

But ,but ,but

Edward snowden said it's all fake and not to worry

Wasn't one of Snowden's points that the sheer bulk of data collected made it more difficult to determine what were legitimate threats?

eeguy

the_pen_turner wrote: »

our main defence is a guard and his notebook

And decades of experience against the IRA and gangland criminals and an army who are constantly involved in UN missions around the world.

BuilderPlumber

ISIS need to be defeated and fast. Not just in a military way either. The whole makeup of some of these countries is what is wrong. Add to this unneeded Western aggression like the Iraq war and you have a very dangerous situation.

Now, visualise the situation in these countries? I will make up a fictional country. The Islamic Emirate of Wadia has in recent years known nothing but war and turmoil. Bickering among its now deposed royal family lead to civil war with the country's economy collapsing. Soon, a communist government took over. A popular 'Islamic revolution' occurred in the mid 1980s and was lead by a deranged Mullah who has set up a personality cult. Of course, Wadia has oil. The West backed up and armed mad Mullah and the USSR sent weapons to the fragile communist administration. Soon, the USSR lost interest and the revolution took over in 1987. Many ex government members were executed, as were top army officers and all communist or royalists were rounded up and executed in the reign of terror from 1987 to 1990. The regime got more and more anti-Western especially since money to it was stopped after the West and the USSR improved their relationship. Meanwhile, the new 'Islamist' Wadi regime enforces a dress code for women, a beard code for men, bans alcohol and gambling, and imposes draconian laws to punish anyone who disobeys.

The world is more interested in the collapse of the Berlin wall, improved relationships between the 2 superpowers and the fall of Eastern European communism. Wadia like all its Middle Eastern neighbours is just seem as a petrol pump and while the world publically denounces its violent and repressive regime, they still buy oil from it and tolerate it.

Meanwhile, the regime gets madder and madder. Cinema, music, festivals, TV, radio, coffee, tea, certain foodtypes, soft drinks, most books, sport and the Koran in the native language all get banned. Each citizen is instructed to participate in marches denouncing America, Russia, Israel and Wadia's neighbours and posters of the mad Mullah or Emir of Wadia are everywhere. Sponsorship of violent terrorism is rife. Sunni Islam of the Salafist variety is the only legal religion and many Christians, Shias, Jews and atheists have been executed.

Meanwhile, the mad Mullah and his inner circle live it up and keep all the wealth for themselves. They disobey every law that would end up with the people getting executed. At the same time, the people live in fear and poverty. The country increasingly isolates itself from the world and bans tourism. Children are educated to hate certain countries. Suddenly, you have a massive disaffected youth with nothing to do (remember there is no alcohol, pubs, cinemas, sport, TV, radio, music, concerts, festivals, etc. and meetings are discouraged unless organised by the state) and are taught to hate the West. Many Wadian citizens are encouraged to join terrorist groups and Wadia shelters al Qaeda and other such groups and has many terrorist training camps on its soil.

Then, a major terrorist attack on the West takes place. Wadian natives have been identified as the major organisers. The US declares war on the Islamic Emirate of Wadia after the administration would not cooperate. As of 2015, 15 years of war have destroyed the country. The regime is long gone and the mad Mullah is dead but now ISIS have taken hold and the state is full of youths who have no hobbies (as they were banned) and who are full of hatred.

Now, Wadia does not exist. But it demonstrates the backstory of many Middle Eastern, Central Asian and North/West/East African countries. Societies have been stripped bare of culture by warped dictators and thus leave citizens bored. But nature does not like a vacuum and the hatred preached by governments in the middle east means that since drinking, sport and music are often banned, they exchange their beer glasses, footballs and guitars for guns, bombs and bullets. When the West invades and many civilians die, all the brainwashing the regime did guarantees genuine hatred and a quest for revenge.

This is what created ISIS and other groups. This mentality has to stop. Dictators have banned innocent passtimes and the West and other powers have meddled in places and have between them created a monster that has lead to ISIS and other extremism.

BuilderPlumber

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i think we would make a good target for them.
we have major economic ties with uk and usa.
we have military connections with usa through the Shannon debacle
we have connections all over the world and are loved the world over
an attach on us would really shack up the world
we have little to no chance of stopping such an attack
they could do what they want
our main defence is a guard and his notebook

Ireland is listed among ISIS' enemies but then again so are most other countries. I believe a directly sanctioned attack on Ireland is possible but very remote. Anything major will be planned to target a strategically important country such as France, the UK, Russia, China or the US. If a direct attack was planned, Shannon airport or a foreign embassy would be most likely targets.

But what is not remote is the possibility of an ISIS inspired attack. There's nothing to stop some madman with a gun shooting people on streets, in restaurants or in shopping centres because he disapproves of people dressing in a certain way or drinking or socialising or whatever. ISIS have requested people to do things like this. Another possibility is attacks like we saw in Cologne.

The other side of the coin is ISIS using Ireland as a gateway to the UK. They could collaborate with dissent republican elements who could help them in an attack against a common enemy. Innocent Irish people could die if they hijacked a plane to fly into some UK landmark a la 9/11.

The scenarios of ISIS inspired madmen killing or raping people is possible. The scenario of ISIS teaming up with dissident IRA and using Ireland as a base or hiding place when planning an attack on the UK is most likely already happening. We do need to be very careful about who we leave into our country when it comes to refugees from Syria and Iraq. Even more serious is leaving in Irish citizens who went to fight for ISIS and other anti-Assad elements in Syria. Al Nusra, al Qaeda, etc. are every bit as bad as ISIS and are all splinters of the same stick. The lesson here is we may have our eye on ISIS but one of the others may be planning something and we are not taking notice of them. We need to keep our tabs on all these and policy on who is left into Ireland and indeed any country needs to be strict.

Corpus Twisty

buried wrote: »

F**K these fundamentalist pigs. They're fascist trash who are totally bats in the head. If you start changing your life, where you want to live, where you want to visit, where you want to go etc just because this utter trash spout their utter f**king fascist, hyped, violent, propaganda gibberish then they've already won.

Nice sentiment, but me and the Missus are having serious doubts about the two weeks we booked in syria. The brochures looked lovely, but feck it. We're thinking of changing it to a week in Lanzarote.

Graces7

We were chatting about this in the village market once. Old lady assert, if they come here we will fight them! I reminded her that Hitler did not invade and neither did the Romans,. The Vikings had a go but gave up.. One of Hitlers issues was that he could not find a viable road system here which hampered any invasion...Having got hopelessly lost many times in the country lanes of West Cork gives truth to that idea. The Nazis planned amphibians ( read online) but after that they had no idea how to proceed.. BUT Dublin, Limerick , Cork are a different matter and yes, what happened in Paris? This is not a conquering bid . but a vicious destructive illogical force.

I do hope all the naysayers of Daesh attacking Ireland are correct, but the fact is that we stand for a lot of what they're against. Also it is known that there are currently cells that operate here. And before someone says, "ara, be grand, we know about them", some of the Paris attackers were known to authorities and that didn't matter.

JJJJNR

They are a tiny minority that are using propaganda to big themselves up, they will do small scale attacks at random, I think Ireland will be targeted in one shape or another, 100% as its deemed a safe place, but other small countries will also be hit not just us, the point is to cause fear in as many countries as possible. Which they seem to be doing, if your worried best thing to do it take up arms as best you can to protect yourself, learn some self defence, esp if you are female, they hate girls.. apparently if a woman kills a Jihadi they go straight to hell.

Akrasia

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

Nice sentiment, but me and the Missus are having serious doubts about the two weeks we booked in syria. The brochures looked lovely, but feck it. We're thinking of changing it to a week in Lanzarote.

There are some great last minute deals in Kabul and Fallujah I believe...

Eugene Norman

coolbeans wrote: »

It's not really warfare though is it. I live in London and despite all their meddling in Iraq and Libya I've more chance of being killed crossing the road than hurt in a terrorist attack. Despite all the hyperbole we're the safest most secure generation that ever existed. The actual threat from these losers is less than miniscule.

Until they get a dirty bomb or whatnot.

weldoninhio

I think Ireland would be a target. Imagine the headlines worldwide if something like All Ireland Finals day was hit with a bomb/gunmen as in Paris. It would rock the country to the core. Exactly the reaction these people are looking for.

donegaLroad

weldoninhio wrote: »

I think Ireland would be a target. Imagine the headlines worldwide if something like All Ireland Finals day was hit with a bomb/gunmen as in Paris. It would rock the country to the core. Exactly the reaction these people are looking for.

yup, either that or sinking a packed ferry half way across the Irish sea some night.

bear1

I wonder what the governments plan is for an event like this. Relying on the raf to come over is just utter stupidity.

SEPT 23 1989

eeguy wrote: »

And decades of experience against the IRA and gangland criminals and an army who are constantly involved in UN missions around the world.

Those people can be negociated with

ISIS cowards want to die and take as many people with them as they can

Hard to prepare for that

BigJackC

Deleted User wrote: »

I do hope all the naysayers of Daesh attacking Ireland are correct, but the fact is that we stand for a lot of what they're against. Also it is known that there are currently cells that operate here. And before someone says, "ara, be grand, we know about them", some of the Paris attackers were known to authorities and that didn't matter.

It would be foolish to think that there are not already some ISIS headbanging in Ireland. A tiny minority of the Muslim community resident here, but that's all it takes.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/we-hate-westerners-we-are-isis-chilling-words-of-irish-muslim-teens-to-cleric-31425033.html

As for Europe wide:

Isil exploiting migrant routes to smuggle jihadists back to Britain using fake documentsIntelligence officials fear terror groups are increasingly exploiting the huge migrant flows to set up jihadist sleeper cells throughout Europe

It is feared sleeper cells are being established in the UK and across Europe having been sent back by their Isil commanders fully trained and with attack orders.

The strategy is being run out of Isil’s Syrian stronghold in Raqqa where would-be recruits are briefed and handed new identities.

It also means suspects who were under watch by the intelligence agencies suddenly vanish.

Isil jihadists are exploiting the migrant crisis to smuggle terrorists into Europe with fake passports they can then use to travel to the UK, British intelligence officials fear.

Islamic State in Iraq and Levant (Isil) is increasingly exploiting the huge migrant flows to slip jihadist cells through undetected to launch attacks in the UK and elsewhere.

• Con Coughlin: Isil is taking advantage of the EU’s incompetence

They are mainly travelling on fake Syrian or Iraqi passports which are now so sophisticated it is almost impossible to distinguish between genuine refugees and terror suspects.

The concerns will increase pressure on European leaders to get a grip onthe migrant crisis that is engulfing the EU.

It came as one of the EU’s most senior officials disclosed that six in 10 migrants arriving in Europe are economic migrants with no right to asylum.

Frans Timmermans, the first vice president of the European Commission, said that the majority of those coming to the EU are not fleeing war or persecution and that they should be deported.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/islamic-state/12123333/Refugee-routes-main-tactic-for-Isil-terrorists-to-get-in-to-Europe-and-launch-attacks-British-intelligence-officials-fear.html

It would be foolish to think that they wouldn't take full advantage of the current chaos. It is an open goal for them.

Superhorse

buried wrote: »

F**K these fundamentalist pigs. They're fascist trash who are totally bats in the head. If you start changing your life, where you want to live, where you want to visit, where you want to go etc just because this utter trash spout their utter f**king fascist, hyped, violent, propaganda gibberish then they've already won.

This. We have made a point on going camping in France this summer, okay it's not Syria but i'll be f u c ked if I let these savages dictate how I live my life.

BigJackC

Superhorse wrote: »

This. We have made a point on going camping in France this summer, okay it's not Syria but i'll be f u c ked if I let these savages dictate how I live my life.

Going to the Euros? Nice one.

mfceiling

weldoninhio wrote: »

I think Ireland would be a target. Imagine the headlines worldwide if something like All Ireland Finals day was hit with a bomb/gunmen as in Paris. It would rock the country to the core. Exactly the reaction these people are looking for.

Hey hey...that Muslim lad with the head gear, the beard, the long robe and the donegal jersey looks iffy...

BigJackC

French police have arrested a man carrying two guns at an entrance to a hotel at Disneyland Paris.

The man, reportedly aged 28 and not known to security services, was also discovered with a copy of the Koran and a box of ammunition, police said.

His bag reportedly triggered metal detectors as he entered the New York Hotel at the much-visited theme park.

France remains in a state of emergency following the deadly Islamist attacks in Paris in November last year.

So-called Islamic State (IS) said it carried out the co-ordinated assaults that left 130 people dead.

The man's girlfriend has also been arrested, but was unarmed, according to French media.

Disneyland Paris is among Europe's most popular tourist destinations. About 10 million people visited in 2014, according to the Global Attractions Attendance Report.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35431086

Thankfully they got him before he could kill anyone. It would be absolute carnage of young families if a terrorist hit there.

thattequilagirl

BigJackC wrote: »

Yes, Paris is known for its balmy weather during the winter. Good man.

Paris is known as the seat of government for a country with a colonial history in many Arab countries, and is bombing Syria today.

It doesn't take a genius to see why Daesh would target them.

Ireland doesn't make sense as a target.

BigJackC

thattequilagirl wrote: »

Paris is known as the seat of government for a country with a colonial history in many Arab countries, and is bombing Syria today.

It doesn't take a genius to see why Daesh would target them.

Ireland doesn't make sense as a target.

Islamic State have already threatened to hit Ireland. While we may or may not be a top target, I don't know why you people are so desperate to make out that they could not potentially hit here. According to security analyst and academic Tom Clonan, the recent ISIS video indicates that Ireland and Irish citizens are priority targets for Isis militants.

Currently, we have a small muslim population but, per capita, we are one of the largest sources for European Jihadis going off to Syria and Iraq. Three Irish citizens have already been either seriously injured by ISIS. We are "evil westerners" in their eyes.

IRELAND HAS BEEN found to have the second highest per capita rate of Muslims going to fight in Syria out of a survey of 25 countries.

http://www.thejournal.ie/ireland-capita-study-jihadists-syria-islam-1655655-Sep2014/

thattequilagirl

I'm not "desperate" to do anything.

I'm pointing out that there are strong reasons, both historical and modern, why Daesh would attack France.

I can't see any similar reason to attack Ireland.

I'm not saying the risk is zero, just that we're less likely to be targeted.

seachto7

thattequilagirl wrote: »

I'm not "desperate" to do anything.

I'm pointing out that there are strong reasons, both historical and modern, why Daesh would attack France.

I can't see any similar reason to attack Ireland.

I'm not saying the risk is zero, just that we're less likely to be targeted.

Shannon airport refuelling American military aircraft, and it's been pointed out before.

tomwaterford

seachto7 wrote: »

Shannon airport refuelling American military aircraft, and it's been pointed out before.

And so far...mick Wallace and Clare daly are the biggest threat there :pac:

Though I could follow the logic why isis would target there

thattequilagirl

seachto7 wrote: »

Shannon airport refuelling American military aircraft, and it's been pointed out before.

At a guess I'd say Islamic militants are more concerned with countries that are actually bombing them than a fuel stop on the way home in a country they've barely heard of.