Coveney will lose 10000 votes for FG over GLAS

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whelan2 wrote: »

Alan Shatter has lost his seat

I'm not surprised, nor am I surprised that James Reilly looks like loosing his too. Personally I disliked both of them as others seemed too as well.

tractorporn

Username John wrote:

Not saying it won't happen... But I wouldn't be too surprised if election promises weren't lived up to... By any of em...

Username John wrote:

Wouldn't be a fan of that man as well tho - don't know about Fianna Fáil ag policies, just don't like o'cuiv...

+1 on that. O'Cuiv comes across as a snake. I'd love to see 200 a cow also but there's no money left in the rdp for that sort of payment.

As for the rest of payment he has avocated for front loading the payments on the first 20ha leaving anyone with more than that with feic all payment on the rest of the land. And I just don't like him!

whelan2

djmc wrote: »

I want my 200 euro per cow and anc payment for every acre of land so if he keeps his word I wouldn't mind seeing how he would get on
At least we might get payments on time.

Was thinking about the payments during the week, why open the scheme for 2016 when 2015 hasnt been sorted yet

farawaygrass

White Clover wrote: »

I know what you're saying. But, if the economy had been managed better, there's a good chance there wouldn't have been any bailout.

Ya without a doubt. Wouldn't you just love to be able go back.

White Clover

farawaygrass wrote: »

Ya without a doubt. Wouldn't you just love to be able go back.

Right now I'd be happy to go forward from here. But after yesterday it's not gonna happen.
It's a case of 2 steps forward, one step back.

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How is the surfer guy from the West doing? I cannot remember his name but read a post about him running for election.

Bullocks

tractorporn wrote: »

+1 on that. O'Cuiv comes across as a snake. I'd love to see 200 a cow also but there's no money left in the rdp for that sort of payment.

As for the rest of payment he has avocated for front loading the payments on the first 20ha leaving anyone with more than that with feic all payment on the rest of the land. And I just don't like him!

We'll see how loud he stays trotting out that line now we are the other side of the election !

farawaygrass

White Clover wrote: »

Right now I'd be happy to go forward from here. But after yesterday it's not gonna happen.
It's a case of 2 steps forward, one step back.

Ya, as was said here and I hadn't thought of it before but a looney left opposition wouldn't be good either. Very hard to know.

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farawaygrass wrote: »

Ya, as was said here and I hadn't thought of it before but a looney left opposition wouldn't be good either. Very hard to know.

I too hadn't thought of it however a looney left Government will not last beyond the honeymoon.

alps

Martin Ferris for Ag Min....that's the one..

Back to on farm burials....well in wooded areas and bogs anyway...

And the solution to volatility.....surplus earnings can be stored in haybarns, either in cash or cheques..

Proper quality diesel....

And free water....

This is already looking good..

Limestone Cowboy

Base price wrote: »

How is the surfer guy from the West doing? I cannot remember his name but read a post about him running for election.

He's not going to do.

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Limestone Cowboy wrote: »

He's not going to do.

He ain't cresting the wave

blue5000

alps wrote: »

Martin Ferris for Ag Min....that's the one..

Back to on farm burials....well in wooded areas and bogs anyway...

And the solution to volatility.....surplus earnings can be stored in haybarns, either in cash or cheques..

Proper quality diesel....

And free water....

This is already looking good..

Next step is brexit and we'll change the national anthem to 'smugler's blues'.

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blue5000 wrote: »

Next step is brexit and we'll change the national anthem to 'smugler's blues'.

Thanks blue for that quote as it brought me back to my teenage years. Heading to bed dreaming once again of Don Johnson

orm0nd

Base price wrote: »

How is the surfer guy from the West doing? I cannot remember his name but read a post about him running for election.

emilinated on third count

got over 2000 first pref. not too bad considering there were 15 or 16 candidates



dunno what the outcome of this will be, anything other than FG/FF won't last past next budget

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orm0nd wrote: »

emilinated on third count

got over 2000 first pref. not too bad considering there were 15 or 16 candidates



dunno what the outcome of this will be, anything other than FG/FF won't last past next budget

Have to agree with Frazz. SF plus others are better in Government as opposed to being the major opposition party.
A FG/FF coalition doesn't sit well with me.

Farmer Ed

Base price wrote: »

Have to agree with Frazz. SF plus others are better in Government as opposed to being the major opposition party.
A FG/FF coalition doesn't sit well with me.

It looks like the numbers simply wont add up for that to happen.

White Clover

orm0nd wrote: »

emilinated on third count

got over 2000 first pref. not too bad considering there were 15 or 16 candidates



dunno what the outcome of this will be, anything other than FG/FF won't last past next budget

FG minority supported by FF?
I think all the pressure is on FF. They won't want to be junior partner in a coalition, they won't want SF leading the opposition and they will need a very good reason to pull the rug from under FG or it could send them back to 2011 levels or worse.

White Clover

Base price wrote: »

Have to agree with Frazz. SF plus others are better in Government as opposed to being the major opposition party.
A FG/FF coalition doesn't sit well with me.

SF in government? Fine, but we better start praying that it collapses at the first vote. The country would want to wise up for the next election.
We had stability and slow but steady growth and we threw it away.
You can probably tell I am beyond disappointed.

Western Pomise

Do people not realise that Sinn Feins policies don't hold water when examined in any depth?....The majority of their support would not back giving Agriculture budget any importance.

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White Clover wrote: »

SF in government? Fine, but we better start praying that it collapses at the first vote. The country would want to wise up for the next election.
We had stability and slow but steady growth and we threw it away.
You can probably tell I am beyond disappointed.

A multi Left/Indpendant coalition with SF will hopefully not survive the year. Although Adams & Co are masters in political negotiations.

Farmer Ed

Western Pomise wrote: »

Do people not realise that Sinn Feins policies don't hold water when examined in any depth?....The majority of their support would not back giving Agriculture budget any importance.

Ah in fairness don't paint all republicans with the same brush. It looks like slab Murphy was a very successful farmer. Slab as minister could be exactly what we need to get live export moving again and he might be able even to come up with an idea to overcome the Russian ban.

whelan2

Farmer Ed wrote: »

Ah in fairness don't paint all republicans with the same brush. It looks like slab Murphy was a very successful farmer. Slab as minister could be exactly what we need to get live export moving again and he might be able even to come up with an idea to overcome the Russian ban.

Sorry but wont he be in jail for a while. Maybe he will run in the next election, 3 sf candidates in louth area then?

frazzledhome

White Clover wrote: »

SF in government? Fine, but we better start praying that it collapses at the first vote. The country would want to wise up for the next election.
We had stability and slow but steady growth and we threw it away.
You can probably tell I am beyond disappointed.

I think the biggest fear the Shinners have is going into Government. For the sake of us good republicans FF & FG need to stick to their guns on not coalescing.

The disaffected voter needs to see these guys in their true colours. Not one economic policy of theirs could stand even passing scrutiny.

Put them in, give them 2 yrs and bury them.

Iridh people need to wake up and realise this result is no joke.

orm0nd

Slightly off top but glad to see Jan O Sullivan got in , and sorry to see McNamara losing out, wouldn't be a Labour supporter but had dealings with both and found them very straight and upfront

Farmer Ed

whelan2 wrote: »

Sorry but wont he be in jail for a while. Maybe he will run in the next election, 3 sf candidates in louth area then?

Sorry forgot about that little detail. But at least he could act as an adviser to the new minister. Maybe he could come up with an idea something like building a warehouse on the Russian border, with a door leading into Russia.

A bit of ingenuity is needed. Has been sadly lacking in the department.

djmc

I heard a good quote from an old American politician
People won't remember you for what you did they will remember you for how you made them feel.
I think this runs through today dispite trying to turn the country around and start a recovery FG and labour made too many people feel like crap in the process and are paying the price for that now.
If we get an overspend now it could ruin the country again but the most vulnerable need to be protected.

Bullocks

djmc wrote: »

I heard a good quote from an old American politician
People won't remember you for what you did they will remember you for how you made them feel.
I think this runs through today dispite trying to turn the country around and start a recovery FG and labour made too many people feel like crap in the process and are paying the price for that now.
If we get an overspend now it could ruin the country again but the most vulnerable need to be protected.

Spot on .
We needed the medicine we got from FG but people nowadays didn't like it and don't want anymore . Instead they are hoping that the promise of getting sweets will cure us !

TITANIUM.

Why are people so against a FF FG coalition?
They essentially are the same party split down the middle. policy wise they are the 2 most similar parties.
Don't be so naive as to think the boom would have been managed any differently if FG had been in power. Yes FF bought elections with give away budgets in the good times but all you have to do is look at the last budget to see FG form on a pre election budget, trying to soften up the electorate to say all this pain was worth it and things are now turning around. Despite all of the advice from even there own economists.

Cast your mind back to those give away budgets and recall what FG were saying in opposition, the message essentially was why aren't you spending more.

Personally I would have liked to have seen a center left government but that doesn't look like happening now.

But oh holy jesus please not sinn fein.

White Clover

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Why are people so against a FF FG coalition?
They essentially are the same party split down the middle. policy wise they are the 2 most similar parties.
Don't be so naive as to think the boom would have been managed any differently if FG had been in power. Yes FF bought elections with give away budgets in the good times but all you have to do is look at the last budget to see FG form on a pre election budget, trying to soften up the electorate to say all this pain was worth it and things are now turning around. Despite all of the advice from even there own economists.

Cast your mind back to those give away budgets and recall what FG were saying in opposition, the message essentially was why aren't you spending more.

Personally I would have liked to have seen a center left government but that doesn't look like happening now.

But oh holy jesus please not sinn fein.

To be fair Titanium, when you're in opposition, you don't really know how the books in the Dept of Finance are looking until you're in government. Saying that, Michael Noonan warned the government in 2002 about over spending.

djmc

I think they lost most votes through working and squeezed middle class who feel they are just surviving rather than living
Too many homeless jobless and health care in crisis cuts to farm assist and delays in already cut farm payments no answers no accountability or calling them whingers if they complain take your pick.
Maybe give Micheal Healy Rae the job even after giving 9000 votes to his brother he still got over 20000 himself that's 7000 more than enda Kenny
Almost 9000 more than michael Martin and double what most other TDs in the country got.
They wiped out political families that have been around since the civil war here in Kerry
That's saying what people around here think of the recovery that hasn't reached us yet.

TITANIUM.

White Clover wrote: »

To be fair Titanium, when you're in opposition, you don't really know how the books in the Dept of Finance are looking until you're in government. Saying that, Michael Noonan warned the government in 2002 about over spending.

Opposition can have any query answered especially queries regarding hard facts like expenditure and Incomings that can't easily be side stepped. Submissions can be put in in writing to any department and have to be responded within 3 days I think.

Noonan didn't seem to heed to many warnings himself last October,
He did manage to implement Lenihans and the troikas plan tho.

White Clover

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Opposition can have any query answered especially queries regarding hard facts like expenditure and Incomings that can't easily be side stepped. Submissions can be put in in writing to any department and have to be responded within 3 days I think.

Noonan didn't seem to heed to many warnings himself last October,
He did manage to implement Lenihans and the troikas plan tho.

The troika are gone a while now!

Figerty

Bullocks wrote: »

Spot on .
We needed the medicine we got from FG but people nowadays didn't like it and don't want anymore . Instead they are hoping that the promise of getting sweets will cure us !

The view on the radio today was the the opposite. People didn't believe the USC giveaway planned and are more concerned with services etc. It appears FF cottoned on to this and played on it.

frazzledhome

TITANIUM. wrote: »

Why are people so against a FF FG coalition?
They essentially are the same party split down the middle. policy wise they are the 2 most similar parties.
Don't be so naive as to think the boom would have been managed any differently if FG had been in power. Yes FF bought elections with give away budgets in the good times but all you have to do is look at the last budget to see FG form on a pre election budget, trying to soften up the electorate to say all this pain was worth it and things are now turning around. Despite all of the advice from even there own economists.

Cast your mind back to those give away budgets and recall what FG were saying in opposition, the message essentially was why aren't you spending more.

Personally I would have liked to have seen a center left government but that doesn't look like happening now.

But oh holy jesus please not sinn fein.

Just to declare my interest first, I'm a card carrying FG member.

I actually don't care which leads the next government. One thing sure and certain is that one of them is needed in opposition.

We cannot have Adams and Rich boy Barrett making promises and blocking every thing from the opposition benches.

I do not allow my kids use the word stupid but I'm going to break my own rule. Some of the electorate are so stupid as to believe the nonsense that they spout. Some are truly the squeezed middle lurching from pay cheque to pay cheque and they'll vote for anyone who'll tell them they'll make it better.

Edit: is every bit as important to have a good opposition in the next Dail as a stable government

bogman_bass

Base price wrote: »

How is the surfer guy from the West doing? I cannot remember his name but read a post about him running for election.

In fairness he has more interest In farming than most candidates

Bass Reeves

I think FG lost this election by promising too much. Labour was in trouble anyway. I also think they should have delayed the election and Enda would have looked very leader like reviewing the parade on Paddy's day in Dublin and again on Easter Monday. However we are where we are.

FF/FG is the only game in town numbers wise. SF policy's are based on not being in government for next 5-10 years. It will take a few weeks to sort out but if Martin wants to be on the podium as Tainiste on Easter Monday he better get going. Cannot see a minority government of FG working with 50TD's it the back benches for Labour for 2 elections. They slipped up the last election they should have left Enda get an overall Majority and not promise the sun moon and stars to get into government.

Some performance by the men from the Kingdom. One Re-Nua is gone and Rae-Nua eile is here. It could have backfired on them. It was noticeable that RTE made no attempt to interview Micheal after he was elected. Highest vote in the country they were swooning over Donnelly after he got 14K in Wicklow ( a great performance) but they seemed pointed in there avoidance of the Kerry result with only a small mention of it when it came in. Mind you I stopped watching at about 12.20 so maybe they came on after that. They really have there finger on the pulse.

It is time to roll up the tent and put the show on the road. The real question is with all the independents can we have a coherent opposition. Rae-nua please step up.

20silkcut

djmc wrote: »

I think they lost most votes through working and squeezed middle class who feel they are just surviving rather than living
Too many homeless jobless and health care in crisis cuts to farm assist and delays in already cut farm payments no answers no accountability or calling them whingers if they complain take your pick.
Maybe give Micheal Healy Rae the job even after giving 9000 votes to his brother he still got over 20000 himself that's 7000 more than enda Kenny
Almost 9000 more than michael Martin and double what most other TDs in the country got.
They wiped out political families that have been around since the civil war here in Kerry
That's saying what people around here think of the recovery that hasn't reached us yet.

FG borrowed a lot of FF votes in the 2011 election. They failed spectacularly to hold to them.

They were too business like about running the country. Too compliant with the German overlords. And they really pissed off the smaller traditional FF voting farmers with their cuts to vital schemes and absolute bollixing around with payments. Good riddance to them.

mayota

frazzledhome wrote: »

Just to declare my interest first, I'm a card carrying FG member.

I actually don't care which leads the next government. One thing sure and certain is that one of them is needed in opposition.

We cannot have Adams and Rich boy Barrett making promises and blocking every thing from the opposition benches.

I do not allow my kids use the word stupid but I'm going to break my own rule. Some of the electorate are so stupid as to believe the nonsense that they spout. Some are truly the squeezed middle lurching from pay cheque to pay cheque and they'll vote for anyone who'll tell them they'll make it better.

Edit: is every bit as important to have a good opposition in the next Dail as a stable government

+1
And this is why a FG/FF coalition could be dangerous.

Mac Taylor

frazzledhome wrote: »

Just to declare my interest first, I'm a card carrying FG member.

I actually don't care which leads the next government. One thing sure and certain is that one of them is needed in opposition.

We cannot have Adams and Rich boy Barrett making promises and blocking every thing from the opposition benches.

I do not allow my kids use the word stupid but I'm going to break my own rule. Some of the electorate are so stupid as to believe the nonsense that they spout. Some are truly the squeezed middle lurching from pay cheque to pay cheque and they'll vote for anyone who'll tell them they'll make it better.

Edit: is every bit as important to have a good opposition in the next Dail as a stable government

+1 SF as the main opposition party is not good for the country. This crack about making "them pay" is a joke. People seem to forget that we are the "them" instability is not good for anyone

Mac Taylor

Bass Reeves wrote: »

I think FG lost this election by promising too much. Labour was in trouble anyway. I also think they should have delayed the election and Enda would have looked very leader like reviewing the parade on Paddy's day in Dublin and again on Easter Monday. However we are where we are.

FF/FG is the only game in town numbers wise. SF policy's are based on not being in government for next 5-10 years. It will take a few weeks to sort out but if Martin wants to be on the podium as Tainiste on Easter Monday he better get going. Cannot see a minority government of FG working with 50TD's it the back benches for Labour for 2 elections. They slipped up the last election they should have left Enda get an overall Majority and not promise the sun moon and stars to get into government.

Some performance by the men from the Kingdom. One Re-Nua is gone and Rae-Nua eile is here. It could have backfired on them. It was noticeable that RTE made no attempt to interview Micheal after he was elected. Highest vote in the country they were swooning over Donnelly after he got 14K in Wicklow ( a great performance) but they seemed pointed in there avoidance of the Kerry result with only a small mention of it when it came in. Mind you I stopped watching at about 12.20 so maybe they came on after that. They really have there finger on the pulse.

It is time to roll up the tent and put the show on the road. The real question is with all the independents can we have a coherent opposition. Rae-nua please step up.

To be fair, RTE interviewed both Healy raes earlier in the day. Michael best quote was that previously the Dublin smart arses only had him to deal with but that now they would have to get through Danny first before they got him.:D

Bullocks

Mac Taylor wrote: »

To be fair, RTE interviewed both Healy raes earlier in the day. Michael best quote was that previously the Dublin smart arses only had him to deal with but that now they would have to get through Danny first before they got him.:D

I was watching that and thinking lord jaysis . "They will have to pick through him first " you wouldn't hear it in school!

patsy_mccabe

Jeez, the Kerry result is some eye opener. Two Healy Raes topping the poll. I'm sure the D4 set will just dismiss it as just the gob****es down in Kerry, but 30,000 first votes is a lot of people. Say what you will but democracy and PR voting is the safest system of all. History has thought us that.
Interesting to hear peoples reasons for voting the way they did. They'll say they voted for someone because they liked him/her, but push further and there is little else they'll say. Popularity contest at the end of the day.

whelan2

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Jeez, the Kerry result is some eye opener. Two Healy Raes topping the poll. I'm sure the D4 set will just dismiss it as just the gob****es down in Kerry, but 30,000 first votes is a lot of people. Say what you will but democracy and PR voting is the safest system of all. History has thought us that.
Interesting to hear peoples reasons for voting the way they did. They'll say they voted for someone because they liked him/her, but push further and there is little else they'll say. Popularity contest at the end of the day.

I still dont understand why anyone would vote for Gerry Adams though

patsy_mccabe

Look Michael Lowry topped the Poll down in Tipperary. I have friends down there, both well paid civil servants, and I know they voted for him. They said he does great work down there and is a very nice man. When I said 'but he's a gangster'. Their answer was ' shur they're all gangsters'.

coolshannagh28

The result of this election was decided by the unsuccessful heave against Enda in 2010 ,if Richard Bruton had won and formed the govt in 2011 with the young wing of FG running things FG would today be looking forward to a 2nd term.

coolshannagh28

djmc wrote: »

I want my 200 euro per cow and anc payment for every acre of land so if he keeps his word I wouldn't mind seeing how he would get on
At least we might get payments on time.

ANC payment in Northern Ireland is €80 per ha up to 200 ha and €60 over and the €200 per cow was in the BDGP budget but was diverted to dairy

djmc

I'd be better off in northern Ireland so.

TITANIUM.

frazzledhome wrote: »

Just to declare my interest first, I'm a card carrying FG member.

I actually don't care which leads the next government. One thing sure and certain is that one of them is needed in opposition.

We cannot have Adams and Rich boy Barrett making promises and blocking every thing from the opposition benches.

I do not allow my kids use the word stupid but I'm going to break my own rule. Some of the electorate are so stupid as to believe the nonsense that they spout. Some are truly the squeezed middle lurching from pay cheque to pay cheque and they'll vote for anyone who'll tell them they'll make it better.

Edit: is every bit as important to have a good opposition in the next Dail as a stable government

I hear what your saying but I have to disagree.
A good opposition to hold a government to account is very important but not as important as a united stable government.

Even if sf spend the next 5 years saying all the right things and doing the easy job of looking good in opposition I can't see them going above 20% in the next Election.( I dont think your giving the electorate the credit it deserves.) If anything a resurgent labour will have begun to eat into there share of the voteby then. And that's if the Shinners can keep there bibs clean in the meantime.

frazzledhome

TITANIUM. wrote: »

I hear what your saying but I have to disagree.
A good opposition to hold a government to account is very important but not as important as a united stable government.

Even if sf spend the next 5 years saying all the right things and doing the easy job of looking good in opposition I can't see them going above 20% in the next Election.( I dont think your giving the electorate the credit it deserves.) If anything a resurgent labour will have begun to eat into there share of the voteby then. And that's if the Shinners can keep there bibs clean in the meantime.

Looks like the Shinners can say and do as they please anyway