Do you wear clothing and footwear with Union Jack tags?

Azalea

The Golden Miller wrote: »

I've read plenty of your posts. You may not post as regularly as some of the other culprits on the forum, but when you do your view is as biased as the rest.

Assumptions and leaps? The very thing you were engaging in only one or two posts ago?

Everything represents something different for everyone. Cutting off a UJ may be archaic to you, but some associate it with something more sinister and they have very good reason to. If they enjoy other aspects of British culture then fair play, it's not hypocritical as they are in no way related, just as ethos and ideals of Bohemians FC is in no way related to the Irish establishment etc.

I agree - symbols are what you imbue them with. I can't understand why you'd deem me like the usual suspects who go on about how we should doff our caps to the British establishment and we were better off under British rule and shur the troubles were all the IRA - I despise those kinds of posts and regularly challenge them.

Junkyard Tom

Nodin wrote: »

many go under the impression the Empire was a good thing - some sort of benevolent mission.

Like he who called you an 'old fart' there who you'd think fell out of 19th Century Punch Magazine and landed in the 21st Century.

'YouGov found 44 per cent were proud of Britain’s history of colonialism'. That includes mass murder, slavery, concentration camps, policies that caused millions of deaths by famines, theft or resources, theft of precious artefacts etc etc.

The Golden Miller

Azalea wrote: »

I agree - symbols are what you imbue them with. I can't understand why you'd deem me like the usual suspects who go on about how we should doff our caps to the British establishment and we were better off under British rule and shur the troubles were all the IRA - I despise those kinds of posts and regularly challenge them.

Well from what I can remember of you posting on similar topics it certainly seemed that way, but if it's not the case then fair enough. But as for this thread, you were certainly trying to convey some hypocrisy of following an English team and having a dislike for the UJ. Why bother, if you claim you despise the sentiment the OP was clearing engaging in, instead of taking issue with that stereotypical puerile?

frostyjacks

I would sooner walk around with a swastika on me than the union flag. No self-respecting Irishman would dress himself in the butcher's apron.

RayM

frostyjacks wrote: »

I would sooner walk around with a swastika on me than the union flag.

I bet you would...

Hamhide

I bought my brother a really nice hoodie for xmas a few years back from txmaxx. he opened his prezzie, huge smiles and thanks, opened it to wear and had a union jack on the inside, unnoticeable if u wear in as it was on the inside back. never seen him wear it ever.

Azalea

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Well from what I can remember of you posting on similar topics it certainly seemed that way, but if it's not the case then fair enough.

No I think you might have me confused with someone else.

But as for this thread, you were certainly trying to convey some hypocrisy of following an English team and having a dislike for the UJ. Why bother, if you claim you despise the sentiment the OP was clearing engaging in, instead of taking issue with that stereotypical puerile?

I don't simply mean not liking the union flag, I mean the likes of buying British jeans no problem, but then cutting off the tiny union flags. It doesn't mean I also subscribe to the self loathing, neo unionist stuff.

I didn't even take notice of the OP as they were obviously just trolling.

Fratton Fred

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Like he who called you an 'old fart' there who you'd think fell out of 19th Century Punch Magazine and landed in the 21st Century.

'YouGov found 44 per cent were proud of Britain’s history of colonialism'. That includes mass murder, slavery, concentration camps, policies that caused millions of deaths by famines, theft or resources, theft of precious artefacts etc etc.

Birds of a feather

davedanon

frostyjacks wrote:

I would sooner walk around with a swastika on me than the union flag. No self-respecting Irishman would dress himself in the butcher's apron.

Simultaneously the most idiotic and depressing statement I've read on these boards all year.

RayM

davedanon wrote: »

Simultaneously the most idiotic and depressing statement I've read on these boards all year.

You should see his other posts...

bobbysands81

Wouldn't wear any item of clothing with a Union Jack or American flag on it.

Those flags purport to be symbols of freedom but have brought nothing but death and destruction to millions of people in countries they've invaded.

Not for me, but if other folk want to wear it then that's their choice.

TireeTerror

bobbysands81 wrote: »

Wouldn't wear any item of clothing with a Union Jack or American flag on it.

Those flags purport to be symbols of freedom but have brought nothing but death and destruction to millions of people in countries they've invaded.

Not for me, but if other folk want to wear it then that's their choice.

I wouldnt wear anything with the tri-colour on it, every time I see one of those horrid vile flags I want to tear it down. I can hardly sleep at night worrying about it.

I have often had friends round and we burn the tri-colour and stamp on it and sometimes we even spit on it.

My gang of burglars specifically target any property flying a tri-colour, we feel the inhabitants deserve to suffer.

Junkyard Tom

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Birds of a feather

You and Lordsutch is it Fred?

Anything at all critical to say about the brutal past the of British empire?

No?

Nah, didn't think so.

You should count yourself lucky your country isn't bankrupt from paying reparations.

Nodin

TireeTerror wrote: »

I wouldnt wear anything with the tri-colour on it, every time I see one of those horrid vile flags I want to tear it down. I can hardly sleep at night worrying about it.

I have often had friends round and we burn the tri-colour and stamp on it and sometimes we even spit on it.

My gang of burglars specifically target any property flying a tri-colour, we feel the inhabitants deserve to suffer.

Why?

bobbysands81

TireeTerror wrote: »

I wouldnt wear anything with the tri-colour on it, every time I see one of those horrid vile flags I want to tear it down. I can hardly sleep at night worrying about it.

I have often had friends round and we burn the tri-colour and stamp on it and sometimes we even spit on it.

My gang of burglars specifically target any property flying a tri-colour, we feel the inhabitants deserve to suffer.

You need help.

Pink Fairy

bobbysands81 wrote: »

You need help.

No, there's quite a few in his gang, he doesn't need any more joiners. You could always start your own gang of burglars and target a different area.
Ye could meet up and plan heists and compare who has the biggest collection of stolen tricolours.

bear1

TireeTerror wrote: »

I wouldnt wear anything with the tri-colour on it, every time I see one of those horrid vile flags I want to tear it down. I can hardly sleep at night worrying about it.

I have often had friends round and we burn the tri-colour and stamp on it and sometimes we even spit on it.

My gang of burglars specifically target any property flying a tri-colour, we feel the inhabitants deserve to suffer.

And how is the shankill road these days?







Btw you're talking some amount of bollocks that id nearly ask you to to apply as the character of Richie in a new reformed bottom type show.

bobbysands81

TireeTerror wrote: »

We all live in the British Isles. ANyway having a problem with the Union Jack on a piece of clothing, such as Reebok, is a complete and utter moron.

A flag actually represents nothing worthwhile. Its just a symbol of division between humanity.

Evening feeling national pride is encouraging division.

Having said all that Im Scottish and I made sure I have Scottish flags on my number plate and I have a Saltire flying high too!

You just beat yourself in your own argument.

National pride doesn't encourage division. Why would bring proud of being Irish cause a problem between me and say Botswanans?

Being 'pro' one thing doesn't make you 'anti' another.

moleyv

moleyv wrote: »

It's the union flag (not jack), unless displayed on a boat.

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

And anyway, can't the Union Jack only be worn at sea? :pac:

LordSutch wrote: »

You are correct.

I was totally aware of the terminology (union Jack Vs Union flag), but for the purposes of this thread I chose to use Union Jack, simply because the majority of posters on here wouldn't even know or care about such things )

This distinction is a myth, which for some reason is widely propagated by the John Bull types who feel a rush of erudition when they tell us their amazing "fact". The 'Union Jack' is a correct term for the flag, on both land and sea. Please read:

Union Jack or Union Flag

And a recent letter to The Irish Times correcting some guy who claimed the term "Union Jack" in only correctly used at sea:

Protest over flags

"The use of both designations – “Union Jack” and “Union Flag” – for our national flag afloat and ashore is now so well-established that the two terms must be considered as interchangeable.
The Flag Institute is clear that “Union Jack” and “Union Flag” enjoy equal validity as designations of the national flag of the United Kingdom afloat and ashore in both formal and informal contexts."

Dante

Fairly sure its on my Rangers jersey.

Sheep Lover

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

Fairly sure its on my Rangers jersey.

It's probably just below the Swastika on it.

davedanon

Sheep Lover wrote: »

It's probably just below the Swastika on it.

And to the left of the horns.

bobbysands81

DaaaaaaaaaaN wrote: »

Fairly sure its on my Rangers jersey.

That'll be an antique soon and worth a few quid seeing as the club folded and the tribute act are now taking their place.

Anesthetize

I have a Stone Roses t-shirt with a Union Jack design on it. Nobody has ever said a thing to me.

A lot of people also tend to forget that Ireland is represented on the flag.

Darkest Horse

Anesthetize wrote: »

I have a Stone Roses t-shirt with a Union Jack design on it. Nobody has ever said a thing to me.

A lot of people also tend to forget that Ireland is represented on the flag.

That's fine, it doesn't mean it stands for anything Irish. The Protestant community is represented through the orange colour on the tri colour but I don't see that appeasing any northern unionists.

Anesthetize

Darkest Horse wrote: »

That's fine, it doesn't mean it stands for anything Irish. The Protestant community is represented through the orange colour on the tri colour but I don't see that appeasing any northern unionists.

No, but it is funny when you see Orange Order-hating idiots waving the tricolour

bobbysands81

Anesthetize wrote: »

No, but it is funny when you see Orange Order-hating idiots waving the tricolour

The Orange Order are a hate filled sectarian and anti-Irish organisation similar in nature to the likes of the KKK.

Anesthetize

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The Orange Order are a hate filled sectarian and anti-Irish organisation similar in nature to the likes of the KKK.

They're a bunch of pompous cunts alright. Wannabe 'RA boys are just as bad though.

kleefarr

Depends who's wearing it I suppose....

http://20poorandfabulous.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/geri-haliwell-union-jack.jpg

Azalea

Anesthetize wrote: »

No, but it is funny when you see Orange Order-hating idiots waving the tricolour

The orange order (which deserves to be hated - after all, that's what it does) does not recognise the tricolour as being in any way representative of itself, so I don't see any irony.

Junkyard Tom

Azalea wrote: »

The orange order.

A bunch of trolls if ever there was one. When the Dublin and Wicklow L.O.L. laid a poppy wreath at Mount Street Bridge they couldn't just be quietly dignified about it - nope they had to fling their **** all over the place using it as an opportunity to attack the memory and legacy of the rebels.

lertsnim

Gwynplaine wrote: »

The same idiots getting on to probably wearing a Liverpool or Man United jersey.

The same old tired and ****e argument.

Azalea

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

A bunch of trolls if ever there was one. When the Dublin and Wicklow L.O.L. laid a poppy wreath at Mount Street Bridge they couldn't just be quietly dignified about it - nope they had to fling their **** all over the place using it as an opportunity to attack the memory and legacy of the rebels.

Man, there is some deliverance sh-t going on there...

Fratton Fred

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

You and Lordsutch is it Fred?

Anything at all critical to say about the brutal past the of British empire?

No?

Nah, didn't think so.

You should count yourself lucky your country isn't bankrupt from paying reparations.

This is a thread about the union flag appearing on articles of clothing, but as usual, any mention of Britain and you and the other little irelander come out with your usual bollocks.

That is some serious chip on your shoulder there.

Junkyard Tom

Fratton Fred wrote: »

That is some serious chip on your shoulder there.

Yep, I'm the one with a chip on my shoulder yet you're the Englishman who'd like to see Ireland back under British rule. Remarkable levels of psychological projection, and cognitive dissonance really.

The Golden Miller

Fratton Fred wrote: »

This is a thread about the union flag appearing on articles of clothing, but as usual, any mention of Britain and you and the other little irelander come out with your usual bollocks.

No it's not. It's clearly aimed at sneering at "little irelanders". Did you even read the opening post or do you just read what you want to read? And as usual, your post is dripping with irony

steddyeddy

In fairness most British people are ashamed of the colonial past but the people on mainland Britain aren't the ones responsible.

The Golden Miller

steddyeddy wrote: »

In fairness most British people are ashamed of the colonial past but the people on mainland Britain aren't the ones responsible.

Who said they were?

I own an applewatch

I own an applewatch wrote: »

A few people have chastised me for donning such apparel. I honestly have no idea why.

So what if my Reebok shoes and jacket have a little UJ flag on them? Who cares?

People have actually got aggressive over it! I've been called a Tan cnut and been told to fcuk off back to England and suckle on the queen's titties.

Any other people deal with such morons?:rolleyes:

I'm not a boat, so no can not display the Union Jack

steddyeddy

The Golden Miller wrote: »

Who said they were?

I live here and most educated people I know think it was something to leave behind. I think too many people take the unionists views as somehow the norm for Britain.

TireeTerror

bobbysands81 wrote: »

That'll be an antique soon and worth a few quid seeing as the club folded and the tribute act are now taking their place.

In only a few months they will be smashing the granny out of your mob just like Ross County did! hoho what a shower of useless goons.

The Golden Miller

steddyeddy wrote: »

I live here and most educated people I know think it was something to leave behind. I think too many people take the unionists views as somehow the norm for Britain.

What was "something to leave behind"?

I don't think any person takes the view that the unionist voice is representative of the views of the common man in Britain

Whitewinged

Anesthetize wrote: »

A lot of people also tend to forget that Ireland is represented on the flag.

The union jack is a mixture of three flags St George for England, St Andrew for Scotland and St Patrick for Ireland. It was meant to symbolise 3 countries under 1 sovereign. That is why many people would find it offensive as Ireland did not wish to be represented or recognised under this soverign.

Someone mentioned the Irish Flag. The green represents older gaelic and anglo norman and the orange represents the protestant supporters of william of orange. The white stands for a "lasting truce between the orange and the green" so basically the white stands for peace.

Niemoj

Bear the flag of a foreign nation?

Definitely not!

gormdubhgorm

I prefer the basque flag...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Flag_of_the_Basque_Country.svg

I would buy union jacks roll though
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Union-Jack-Souvenir-Toilet-Tissue/product-reviews/B0082A3H0U

KungPao

We should all adorn the Union flag during the 1916 commemorations to show the world how we have moved on as a nation.

Fratton Fred

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Yep, I'm the one with a chip on my shoulder yet you're the Englishman who'd like to see Ireland back under British rule. Remarkable levels of psychological projection, and cognitive dissonance really.

More chips than an entire Intel factory.

And there's me thinking that you "don't care what some Brit says".

osarusan

Classic stuff lads.

timthumbni

duckcfc wrote: »

Bought 3 pairs of Lee cooper combats for work from sports direct. Cheap as chips, good fit and not bad quality and perfect for work. Soon as they arrived, noticed the tag on the back inside had a union jack. Got the scissors out, snipped of and threw in the fire. It was a choice between the fire or bin!
.

That's just plain weird. Did you give the lee coopers (jeans) a damn fine thrashing as well? (I'm picturing you basil faulty style thrashing his car)

Anyway noticed the better half bought some Irish cheddar cheese with a small tricolour on the packaging. I'm leaving work early today to go home and attack that cheese with a baseball bat. That cheese obviously represents the ra. ;-) You have inspired me......

You do find the union flag on some fashion items as it is a pretty nice flag to look at. I can see that some wouldn't want a massive Union flag across their chest on a tshirt but making a show of yourself over a wee tag on the label of a pair of lee coopers is frankly ridiculous.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm not a boat, so no can not display the Union Jack

Wrong