Illegal parking in city

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Bus stop across the road from the school gates and another one ten metres up the road.

If there are no suitable, legal parking spaces two feet from the school then you don't park there. You find the nearest suitable place and you walk for 90 goddamned seconds. If you see a street you could park on but it's illegal to turn on to it from that direction, you don't turn on to it.

I've to go do a grocery shop after work. Now I'm going to want to get my shopping home quickly, but there'll probably be a queue. I guess I'll just stroll past the queue and out of there with it though because what am I expected to do when the law and consideration of the people around makes it mildly inconvenient to do what I want? Huh?

the beer revolu

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Where do people expect those doing school drop offs to park when there isn’t any suitable facilities at the schools?

I went to work late, the other day so I encountered the school morning traffic at a school I pass.
I was stopped for about 5 minutes while people tried to turn right into the school drop off area. Thing was, there was no where for the cars turning right to go, so instead of moving on, they just waited until a space cleared, then turned right into that space. Everyone else using the road, just had to wait behind them as there wasn't room to pass to the left of them. Everyone has to wait because I want to stop directly outside the school.

About 200 metres down the road was a hard shoulder with space for about six cars to park. Guess how many people used this??
Not one.
People would prefer to block up a road in both directions than walk 200 meters.
We are fcuked.

AndrewJRenko

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Where do people expect those doing school drop offs to park when there isn’t any suitable facilities at the schools?

Why would you expect schools to provide you with storage facilities for your private property?

j8wk2feszrnpao

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

What the vast majority of people want is want should be provided and the vast majority want to be able to drive into cities and park close to their destination.

This can't continue to happen. Slowly we are seeing more housing properties being proposed and hopefully built in the city. With more people in the city, and working in the city, you want to make it more "friendly" (for a lack of a better word) for those people. It'd be total gridlock otherwise.
Some people will have to drive into the city, no way around that. For those that don't, you encourage people to use public transport (i.e if you'll be working in the docklands, and coming from East Cork, you park in Carritwohill/LittleIsland and get the train in). There's lots to be done in that area (and others such as a North Ring road) before that can happen, but that is the end goal, which actually benefits those who do have to drive.

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

The few anti-car opinions should be consigned to the dust bin where they belong.

You'll always get some who see some utopia where cars are a thing of the past, and are ignorant to the affect that would have for many. But similarly you can't have everyone drive to their work/school location in a city that is increasing in population.

beer enigma

Legend Ambitious Plow wrote: »

Bus stop across the road from the school gates and another one ten metres up the road.

If there are no suitable, legal parking spaces two feet from the school then you don't park there. You find the nearest suitable place and you walk for 90 goddamned seconds. If you see a street you could park on but it's illegal to turn on to it from that direction, you don't turn on to it.

I've to go do a grocery shop after work. Now I'm going to want to get my shopping home quickly, but there'll probably be a queue. I guess I'll just stroll past the queue and out of there with it though because what am I expected to do when the law and consideration of the people around makes it mildly inconvenient to do what I want? Huh?

You'd be surprised how many junior infants there are these days coming from the likes of Maryborough. Parents originally came through the schools and grandparents address used. Can't really fire them on the bus at that age (even though there's probably a direct one one that goes through Douglas but certainly not St Anthony's or Lady of Lourdes). Its traffic from that direction that seems to cause the biggest issue with queues and parking.

I'm not defending it (I'm near the Silver Key and mine walk to Douglas Com & Regina Mundi) but as a parent in Mary Borough you'd have no option to drive.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Most schools are parish based which begs the question why do people need to drive to the local school? What is wrong with walking?

They may drive:
Because the child is too young to walk by themselves.
Because of weather related issues.
Because they are on the way to work themselves.
Because they have other kids to drop to other schools, child minder, creche, etc

I'm not saying the above covers all eventualities, and many could (and do) walk to the schools. There's no excuse for some of the parking you see at some schools, but many people have no idea(and no understanding) of what is involved in the morning rush when you do have kids.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

beer enigma wrote: »

You'd be surprised how many junior infants there are these days coming from the likes of Maryborough. Parents originally came through the schools and grandparents address used. Can't really fire them on the bus at that age (even though there's probably a direct one one that goes through Douglas but certainly not St Anthony's or Lady of Lourdes). Its traffic from that direction that seems to cause the biggest issue with queues and parking.

I'm not defending it (I'm near the Silver Key and mine walk to Douglas Com & Regina Mundi) but as a parent in Mary Borough you'd have no option to drive.

When you've no option but to drive then drive, that's grand. But if they've driven from Maryborogh hill would it kill them to drive two bloody minutes more and walk the kids back to the (legally) parked car? And a lot of it is the ones who get there a half hour beforehand to get the best spot. And I mean, not to stereotype but yes it's exactly the Maryborogh hill Qashqai yummy mummies who are the worst offenders. One of these days I'm going to have words with one of them and I can pretty much guarantee her husband's job title will be referenced in her reply

timmyjimmy

I love the little space that's left when yummy mummies in their SUVs' park on footpaths on Wellington Rd in the mornings and evenings. Sure having a little Johny or Mary gives them the entitlement to do so. It's rather unfortunate for them that my shoulder bumps off their wing mirrors pushing them in when i'm passing :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Nonsensical propaganda.

There's a lot of that 'propoganda' about.

https://rdrf.org.uk/2012/12/31/the-true-costs-of-automobility-external-costs-of-cars/

https://medium.com/@toddmedema/shattering-myths-the-true-cost-of-suburbs-and-cars-1e6ffab86364

http://cityobservatory.org/theres-no-such-thing-as-a-free-way/

Cork Trucker

timmyjimmy wrote: »

I love the little space that's left when yummy mummies in their SUVs' park on footpaths on Wellington Rd in the mornings and evenings. Sure having a little Johny or Mary gives them the entitlement to do so. It's rather unfortunate for them that my shoulder bumps off their wing mirrors pushing them in when i'm passing :rolleyes:

You're not alone

https://twitter.com/deshocks/status/1171754391264747520

j8wk2feszrnpao

timmyjimmy wrote: »

It's rather unfortunate for them that my shoulder bumps off their wing mirrors pushing them in when i'm passing :rolleyes:

Ah, so you’re one of those type of scum bags.
What a horrible type of person you are. Good to know that you can be ignored.

timmyjimmy

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Ah, so you’re one of those type of scum bags.
What a horrible type of person you are. Good to know that you can be ignored.

And I'm the scumbag? If anyone's a scumbag, it's people who park on footpaths leaving little space to pass. Somebody might have to pass with a push chair/wheel chair.

Footpaths are for walking on, not parking.

lertsnim

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Ah, so you’re one of those type of scum bags.
What a horrible type of person you are. Good to know that you can be ignored.

No mention for the scumbag's who block the footpath? Too often I see people in a wheelchair or people with a pram having to go onto a busy road to get around vehicles parked by inconsiderate arseholes.

timmyjimmy

timmyjimmy wrote: »

I love the little space that's left when yummy mummies in their SUVs' park on footpaths on Wellington Rd in the mornings and evenings. Sure having a little Johny or Mary gives them the entitlement to do so. It's rather unfortunate for them that my shoulder bumps off their wing mirrors pushing them in when i'm passing :rolleyes:

That won’t end well for you be it with a large bill for damage or damage to yourself.

the beer revolu

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

That won’t end well for you be it with a large bill for damage or damage to yourself.

What?
Mirrors fold in.
No damage done, just a mild inconvenience for the driver.

the beer revolu

the beer revolu wrote: »

What?
Mirrors fold in.
No damage done, just a mild inconvenience for the driver.

Depends on which way he is walking into them and on the type of mirror etc, electric ones don’t like too much abuse.

If someone walked into my mirror they better be prepared for the aftermath.

Gru

Legend Ambitious Plow wrote: »

When you've no option but to drive then drive, that's grand. But if they've driven from Maryborogh hill would it kill them to drive two bloody minutes more and walk the kids back to the (legally) parked car? And a lot of it is the ones who get there a half hour beforehand to get the best spot. And I mean, not to stereotype but yes it's exactly the Maryborogh hill Qashqai yummy mummies who are the worst offenders. One of these days I'm going to have words with one of them and I can pretty much guarantee her husband's job title will be referenced in her reply

i agree with you 100% on this, but something i've noticed since the shopping centre closed in Douglas is cars now parking in the very limited spaces outside various Douglas schools and people getting out of them at 7/8am and hopping on bikes & buses and not coming back to collect the car until after 5pm. these are people who do not have children in these schools. And hog a space 3/4 cars would use throughout the day.

it's hard enough to get parking around schools without working commuters using up their limited spaces all day long.. it's only started since the shopping centre closed.

timmyjimmy

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

That won’t end well for you be it with a large bill for damage or damage to yourself.

You are familiar with how mirrors work on cars? Either way, go to the courts. Case will thrown due to car being parked illegally.

timmyjimmy

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Depends on which way he is walking into them and on the type of mirror etc, electric ones don’t like too much abuse.

If someone walked into my mirror they better be prepared for the aftermath.

Just don't be a pr!ck and park illegally then. Or are you one of the entitled ones?

the beer revolu

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Depends on which way he is walking into them and on the type of mirror etc, electric ones don’t like too much abuse.

If someone walked into my mirror they better be prepared for the aftermath.

Ooooh.
Big hard man in his car!
*trembles*

Oh wait, Internet hard man.

the beer revolu

timmyjimmy wrote: »

Just don't be a pr!ck and park illegally then. Or are you one of the entitled ones?

He thinks it is OK to park entirely on the footpath because he pays tax and wants to park there.

j8wk2feszrnpao

lertsnim wrote: »

No mention for the scumbag's who block the footpath? Too often I see people in a wheelchair or people with a pram having to go onto a busy road to get around vehicles parked by inconsiderate arseholes.

I already said there’s no excuse for them.
You not going to mention the scumbag looking to damage people’s property?

Bannasidhe

munstermagic11 wrote: »

They may drive:
Because the child is too young to walk by themselves.
Because of weather related issues.
Because they are on the way to work themselves.
Because they have other kids to drop to other schools, child minder, creche, etc

I'm not saying the above covers all eventualities, and many could (and do) walk to the schools. There's no excuse for some of the parking you see at some schools, but many people have no idea(and no understanding) of what is involved in the morning rush when you do have kids.

I have a kid - now an adult. He went to school in Cork. I worked full time.
Where he went to school and I worked at the time were opposite sides of the city. Did the whole childminder thing. Did the whole rush to get him to school and not be late.
Still managed to avoid ever parking on a corner.

For while he went to school in Australia.The school there had a marked drop off zone outside the school and it was strictly drop-off/collect. No Parking. You quickly learned to time it properly.

I have grandkids. They do not go to school anywhere near my house and there is no direct bus route. So I drive them. And I find a legal, safe, parking place. Then we walk.

They even have raincoats. Imagine that. Children don't melt in the rain.

Generations of children managed to get to school without having to be dropped off no more than 10 feet from the school gate by a private car. Why can't the current one?

Cork Trucker

timmyjimmy wrote: »

You are familiar with how mirrors work on cars? Either way, go to the courts. Case will thrown due to car being parked illegally.

Just to clarify, if you damage the mirror of a vehicle irrespective of it being illegally parked or not, that is criminal damage and using the excuse that your actions would be warranted due to illegal parking does not mean the case will be thrown out. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

Cork Trucker

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I have a kid - now an adult. He went to school in Cork. I worked full time.
Where he went to school and I worked at the time were opposite sides of the city. Did the whole childminder thing. Did the whole rush to get him to school and not be late.
Still managed to avoid ever parking on a corner.

For while he went to school in Australia.The school there had a marked drop off zone outside the school and it was strictly drop-off/collect. No Parking. You quickly learned to time it properly.

I have grandkids. They do not go to school anywhere near my house and there is no direct bus route. So I drive them. And I find a legal, safe, parking place. Then we walk.

They even have raincoats. Imagine that. Children don't melt in the rain.

Generations of children managed to get to school without having to be dropped off no more than 10 feet from the school gate by a private car. Why can't the current one?

What are school collections like? I find those worse than drop offs.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Generations of children managed to get to school without having to be dropped off no more than 10 feet from the school gate by a private car. Why can't the current one?

You do know that plenty do walk?
The generations you speak of often didn’t have two cars (so easier now) or have didn’t have two working parents (so more difficult now). What previous generations did really isn’t of relevance.
People can drop their kids off, and do so in a way that doesn’t break the law and do so with common decency. I’m not arguing otherwise.

timmyjimmy

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Just to clarify, if you damage the mirror of a vehicle irrespective of it being illegally parked or not, that is criminal damage and using the excuse that your actions would be warranted due to illegal parking does not mean the case will be thrown out. 2 wrongs don’t make a right.

There's no damage done, mirror is just pushed in so I can get past. I'm not going to walk on the road cos some wanker has decided to take up most of the footpath in their SUV.

Cork Trucker

timmyjimmy wrote: »

There's no damage done, mirror is just pushed in so I can get past. I'm not going to walk on the road cos some wanker has decided to take up most of the footpath in SUV.

If there’s no damage done a prosecution is unlikely. However if you push it and it breaks, which does occur, this is where the problem is. I’ve knocked out the glass on one or two of my own cars down through the years, these things can easily happen. You may be frustrated and that’s understandable, that’s what the authorities are there for. You might say they do nothing, if annoyed enough they will act.

Bannasidhe

munstermagic11 wrote: »

You do know that plenty do walk?
The generations you speak of often didn’t have two cars (so easier now) or have didn’t have two working parents (so more difficult now). What previous generations did really isn’t of relevance.
People can drop their kids off, and do so in a way that doesn’t break the law and do so with common decency. I’m not arguing otherwise.

But we are talking about the one's who don't. The one's who park on the corners. On footpaths. Who turn narrow roads into one lane.
There is a fair few of them. Enough to cause havoc twice a day.

Same as not everyone going to a sporting event is inconsiderate - there's enough of them to cause havoc for people who live near the venues.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Bannasidhe wrote: »

But we are talking about the one's who don't. The one's who park on the corners. On footpaths. Who turn narrow roads into one lane.
There is a fair few of them. Enough to cause havoc twice a day.

And I don’t believe anyone is defending the a-holes who park illegally or without consideration for others.
Illegal parking, like most laws, require enforcement.

Bannasidhe

Cork Trucker wrote: »

What are school collections like? I find those worse than drop offs.

The Aussie one?

You timed it so you knew they were out. It worked like a taxi rank. There were always at least 2 teachers there to keep control. Kids waited just inside school gates until their lift got to head of the 'rank'. They got in car and off you went.
If your kids weren't ready a teacher gave the one bellow for them and if they weren't there you had to join the rank at the end again.
And prepared the tongue lashing said kids were going to get when you reached the front again.. :mad:

First time I went there I was early and I parked. I was very firmly, but politely, told how the system worked by the school principle.

It genuinely worked very well. And we are talking schools with a large amount of pupils.

In Sydney they had a similar no nonsense approach to illegal parking. SO worked in Newtown right on the High Street. From around 9:30 - 4:30 pm you could park beside the kerb. From about 7- 9:30 am and 4:30 - 7pm that became a clearway. Tow trucks would be waiting. Any car parked in the clearway was ticketed, towed, and put in the first legal space the tow truck found. It was up to the owner to find their car. It would be somewhere in the same area... somewhere being the operative word.
People either found somewhere off the High Street to park... or did the it's 4:20 stampede to get their car moved to a legal spot. Or used public transport.

The point was the the shoppers and cafe crowd would able to park for an hour or two or three (which they would pay for) but when the rush hour hit the street had two extra lanes for drivers.

Now contrast that with what happens in MacCurtain St...

Bannasidhe

munstermagic11 wrote: »

And I don’t believe anyone is defending the a-holes who park illegally or without consideration for others.
Illegal parking, like most laws, require enforcement.

Enforcement - absolutely.
It would also help it people had a bit of cop on, stop thinking the rules don't apply to them, and that consideration is what happens to windows when they steam up...

TheChizler

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Where do people expect those doing school drop offs to park when there isn’t any suitable facilities at the schools?

Who expects them to park?

Mardyke

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Depends on which way he is walking into them and on the type of mirror etc, electric ones don’t like too much abuse.

If someone walked into my mirror they better be prepared for the aftermath.

What age bracket are you? Serious question.

Hoping that you are from an older generation suffering from lack of formal education.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

munstermagic11 wrote: »

They may drive:
Because the child is too young to walk by themselves.
Because of weather related issues.
Because they are on the way to work themselves.
Because they have other kids to drop to other schools, child minder, creche, etc

I'm not saying the above covers all eventualities, and many could (and do) walk to the schools. There's no excuse for some of the parking you see at some schools, but many people have no idea(and no understanding) of what is involved in the morning rush when you do have kids.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I have a kid - now an adult. He went to school in Cork. I worked full time.
Where he went to school and I worked at the time were opposite sides of the city. Did the whole childminder thing. Did the whole rush to get him to school and not be late.
Still managed to avoid ever parking on a corner.

For while he went to school in Australia.The school there had a marked drop off zone outside the school and it was strictly drop-off/collect. No Parking. You quickly learned to time it properly.

I have grandkids. They do not go to school anywhere near my house and there is no direct bus route. So I drive them. And I find a legal, safe, parking place. Then we walk.

They even have raincoats. Imagine that. Children don't melt in the rain.

Generations of children managed to get to school without having to be dropped off no more than 10 feet from the school gate by a private car. Why can't the current one?

+1

As someone who used to cycle to work in Cork, getting drenched was rare. Rain might be recorded on many days of the year in Ireland but is usually intermittent. The amount of drenchings kids will get walking a small distance to and from school will be negligible.

lertsnim

munstermagic11 wrote: »

I already said there’s no excuse for them.
You not going to mention the scumbag looking to damage people’s property?

Pushing in a wing mirror? Oh the humanity!!

j8wk2feszrnpao

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

+1

As someone who used to cycle to work in Cork, getting drenched was rare. Rain might be recorded on many days of the year in Ireland but is usually intermittent. The amount of drenchings kids will get walking a small distance to and from school will be negligible.

Had this discussion on other threads, we get more rain, and more often, than most other European cities.

If it's lashing rain, you want your kid to be dry, not catch a cold, spreading to the rest of the family and having to deal with that (maybe needing to take time off work).

It may well be negligible and rare, but if you are one with a suffering kid, or other kids, having to burn holiday, then it's not negligible. With the trend of both parents now working, it's not as easily managed as in the past.

Of course I'm for kids cycling to school as much as possible, but I gave an example of why some people would drive even to a local school (citing weather dependent issues amongst others), and got the reply of a raincoat.

j8wk2feszrnpao

lertsnim wrote: »

Pushing in a wing mirror? Oh the humanity!!

Nah. Wouldn't even bother with someone that wants to defend a scumbag.
+1 to ignore.

AndrewJRenko

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The Aussie one?

You timed it so you knew they were out. It worked like a taxi rank. There were always at least 2 teachers there to keep control. Kids waited just inside school gates until their lift got to head of the 'rank'. They got in car and off you went.
If your kids weren't ready a teacher gave the one bellow for them and if they weren't there you had to join the rank at the end again.
And prepared the tongue lashing said kids were going to get when you reached the front again.. :mad:

First time I went there I was early and I parked. I was very firmly, but politely, told how the system worked by the school principle.

It genuinely worked very well. And we are talking schools with a large amount of pupils.

That's insane. Those teachers are going to be queueing up for compo claims in years to come for respiratory conditions. Apart from just the whole ar dominant thinking involved.

Bannasidhe wrote: »

In Sydney they had a similar no nonsense approach to illegal parking. SO worked in Newtown right on the High Street. From around 9:30 - 4:30 pm you could park beside the kerb. From about 7- 9:30 am and 4:30 - 7pm that became a clearway. Tow trucks would be waiting. Any car parked in the clearway was ticketed, towed, and put in the first legal space the tow truck found. It was up to the owner to find their car. It would be somewhere in the same area... somewhere being the operative word.
People either found somewhere off the High Street to park... or did the it's 4:20 stampede to get their car moved to a legal spot. Or used public transport.

The point was the the shoppers and cafe crowd would able to park for an hour or two or three (which they would pay for) but when the rush hour hit the street had two extra lanes for drivers.

Now contrast that with what happens in MacCurtain St...

That's brilliant, and shows what can be done with a little bit of enforcement.

timmyjimmy

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Nah. Wouldn't even bother with someone that wants to defend a scumbag.
+1 to ignore.

Mirror is pushed in simply so I can get past, hardly the height of scumbagishness. I'm not going to walk on the road because some self righteous soccer mom takes up the footpath dropping off their little ones (13-18 year olds). These SUVs are for offroading, not for mounting kerbs blocking footpaths like a privileged scumbag.

AndrewJRenko

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Of course I'm for kids cycling to school as much as possible, but I gave an example of why some people would drive even to a local school (citing weather dependent issues amongst others), and got the reply of a raincoat.

And what's the problem with that reply?

If you genuinely are interested in health, you and your kids will be much, much healthier cycling - half the cancer risk, dramatic reduction in coronary issues, blood pressure, obesity, diabetes - issues that far outweigh a day off with the sniffles.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And what's the problem with that reply?

If you genuinely are interested in health, you and your kids will be much, much healthier cycling - half the cancer risk, dramatic reduction in coronary issues, blood pressure, obesity, diabetes - issues that far outweigh a day off with the sniffles.

What a load of absolute rubbish.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Had this discussion on other threads, we get more rain, and more often, than most other European cities.

If it's lashing rain, you want your kid to be dry, not catch a cold, spreading to the rest of the family and having to deal with that (maybe needing to take time off work).

It may well be negligible and rare, but if you are one with a suffering kid, or other kids, having to burn holiday, then it's not negligible. With the trend of both parents now working, it's not as easily managed as in the past.

Of course I'm for kids cycling to school as much as possible, but I gave an example of why some people would drive even to a local school (citing weather dependent issues amongst others), and got the reply of a raincoat.

We do. Like I said, rain is recorded on many days in Ireland but is rarely constant or even that heavy. Getting drenched whilst cycling to and from work was really rare. Over the winter, less than five times. Easily. I’m not exaggerating. It often looks like it’s going to rain more than it actually does. And as Bannasidhe said, light rain won’t soak a properly dressed child who is walking 200m from a better spot for their parent to drop them off.

I grew up getting school buses in the west of Ireland countryside (another statistically wet part of the country). In primary school, I was lucky that the school bus went right by our house. Most kids would have to do a bit of walking to get to their bus pick up point. They dressed for the weather. When I started secondary school, I then had a 300-400m walk to my pick up point. I... dressed for the weather. I’m sure rural kids are still doing the same now. And again, like with cycling in Cork, drenchings were rare. The drizzle and light rain was really easy to deal with. And presumably still is. Dropping children off right at the gates because of those kind of conditions is truly precious stuff. Torrential rain, storms, lightning, heavy snow, ice and hailstorms - fair enough. But we don’t get any of those very often. Yup, even heavy rain. Heavy rain comes in shower form generally and it’d be very unlucky indeed for those times to regularly coincide with either end of the school day. Between my school and work cycling experiences in statistically some of the wettest parts of the country, I feel confident in saying all of this.

Also, I’m pretty sure there’s no link between getting wet and catching a cold.

AndrewJRenko

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

What a load of absolute rubbish.

Wait - let me guess - this peer reviewed research is more of that 'propoganda' right?

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/cycling-to-work-cuts-risk-of-heart-disease-and-cancer-by-almost-half-35637612.html

Have you considered bringing any facts or evidence to the debate, rather than just opinions?

John_Rambo

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

What a load of absolute rubbish.

Ah, Nox, it's well known that kids that cycle, walk, scoot & skate to work are stronger, fitter and healthier than kids that get driven everywhere. I have kids and another one on the way, so I'm more experienced in this field than you are.

My advice to yourself and anyone else locked in to a carbon lifestyle with a heavy reliance on cars (if you decide to have kids) is to park a kilometer from the school and cycle/scoot/skate the rest of the way.

Good for your, good for the kids, good for the gridlock caused by lazy parents.

the beer revolu

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Also, I’m pretty sure there’s no link between getting wet and catching a cold.

This.
No connection.
Getting frost bite or being hypothermic will increase your risk of infection. Getting a bit wet, nope.
Also rain gear is extremely effective, inexpensive and breathable, these days.

twowheelsonly

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Had this discussion on other threads, we get more rain, and more often, than most other European cities.

If it's lashing rain, you want your kid to be dry, not catch a cold, spreading to the rest of the family and having to deal with that (maybe needing to take time off work).

It may well be negligible and rare, but if you are one with a suffering kid, or other kids, having to burn holiday, then it's not negligible. With the trend of both parents now working, it's not as easily managed as in the past.

Of course I'm for kids cycling to school as much as possible, but I gave an example of why some people would drive even to a local school (citing weather dependent issues amongst others), and got the reply of a raincoat.

They won't catch a cold from getting wet. The common cold is caused by various viruses, not by being caught in a shower / having a bath / going for a swim.
If you're still worried about it, or by the fact that a child might be stuck in wet clothes for an hour or so, then a raincoat is the answer so nothing at all wrong with that posters reply !!

Bannasidhe

the beer revolu wrote: »

This.

Also rain gear is extremely effective, inexpensive and breathable, these days.

The rain gear Lidl do for kids is incredible. Myself, SO, and grand-daughter got caught in an absolute downpour in Allihies.
Myself and SO in our expensive raingear were soaked. Granddaughter in her Lidl gear. Bone dry. Wish they did them in adult sizes. I could live with the general rainbow colours theme given the quality.

run_Forrest_run

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The rain gear Lidl do for kids is incredible. Myself, SO, and grand-daughter got caught in an absolute downpour in Allihies.
Myself and SO in our expensive raingear were soaked. Granddaughter in her Lidl gear. Bone dry. Wish they did them in adult sizes. I could live with the general rainbow colours theme given the quality.

@Bannasidhe what is 'SO'?

the beer revolu

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

@Bannasidhe what is 'SO'?

Significant other, I'd guess.
Took me a little while to work out.