Illegal parking in city

Bannasidhe

run_Forrest_run wrote: »

@Bannasidhe what is 'SO'?

the beer revolu wrote: »

Significant other, I'd guess.
Took me a little while to work out.

What beer rev said.

Thephantomsmask

Bannasidhe wrote: »

The rain gear Lidl do for kids is incredible. Myself, SO, and grand-daughter got caught in an absolute downpour in Allihies.
Myself and SO in our expensive raingear were soaked. Granddaughter in her Lidl gear. Bone dry. Wish they did them in adult sizes. I could live with the general rainbow colours theme given the quality.

Keep an eye out for when they have hiking and walking stuff in. I have a jacket and packaway poncho from lidl and can't fault them, the poncho even fits over my backpack and keeps me dry on a 20min walk to work in a downpour. They had offers twice over the last few weeks so some stores may still have stock. Unfortunately their hiking and over trousers are too long for my tiny legs

Ciaranis

the beer revolu wrote:

Yup, parking with all 4 wheels on the footpath has become a thing. See it all the time at the start of Pope's Quay and in Blackpool too. Cornmarket St / Coal Quay drives me mad every weekend. Bike lanes seem to be fair game too.

You're not supposed to park ANY part of your car on a footpath, whether two wheels or four. Yet it's the norm here, including on the road where I live.

Bannasidhe

Ciaranis wrote: »

You're not supposed to park ANY part of your car on a footpath, whether two wheels or four. Yet it's the norm here, including on the road where I live.

I must admit many years ago I got clamped for doing just that. My elderly mother was being admitted to the South Infirmary and was frankly freaking out so I dropped her at the gate and shot down one of the side roads and parked as fast as I could.
When I got back to the car the clampers were there releasing another car so I just phoned up, paid the fine, and they took the clamp off. Guy was amazed that I didn't argue, swear at him etc but sure I was in the wrong. He even gave me the details of how I could appeal but as I said. I was 100% in the wrong.

Ciaranis

Bannasidhe wrote:

I must admit many years ago I got clamped for doing just that. My elderly mother was being admitted to the South Infirmary and was frankly freaking out so I dropped her at the gate and shot down one of the side roads and parked as fast as I could. When I got back to the car the clampers were there releasing another car so I just phoned up, paid the fine, and they took the clamp off. Guy was amazed that I didn't argue, swear at him etc but sure I was in the wrong. He even gave me the details of how I could appeal but as I said. I was 100% in the wrong.

I'm sure he found your attitude refreshing! And frankly, I think a bit more discretion from clampers towards drivers in obviously high-stress situations would be no harm either. Although sometimes I suppose it's hard to know who's being genuine and who's spinning a yarn to try and get off.

namloc1980

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Had this discussion on other threads, we get more rain, and more often, than most other European cities.

If it's lashing rain, you want your kid to be dry, not catch a cold, spreading to the rest of the family and having to deal with that (maybe needing to take time off work).

It may well be negligible and rare, but if you are one with a suffering kid, or other kids, having to burn holiday, then it's not negligible. With the trend of both parents now working, it's not as easily managed as in the past.

Of course I'm for kids cycling to school as much as possible, but I gave an example of why some people would drive even to a local school (citing weather dependent issues amongst others), and got the reply of a raincoat.

This stuff is completely overblown. It's nearly 4 weeks since kids went back to school, and there was one day that it was raining to the point I drove mine instead of walking or scooting to the school. It really doesn't rain that much - this excuse is a just that, and excuse to stay in your car. In reality, the vast majority of days it doesn't rain at school times. Today is a gorgeous day, and yet the SUVs were queueing up at the school as usual.

Also the old wives tale of getting wet equals getting a cold is complete nonsense.

the beer revolu

Ciaranis wrote: »

I'm sure he found your attitude refreshing! And frankly, I think a bit more discretion from clampers towards drivers in obviously high-stress situations would be no harm either. Although sometimes I suppose it's hard to know who's being genuine and who's spinning a yarn to try and get off.

The howling from people illegally parked when they get caught is ridiculous. You really couldn't be listening to it.

lertsnim

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Nah. Wouldn't even bother with someone that wants to defend a scumbag.
+1 to ignore.

I'm devastated.

John_Rambo

John_Rambo wrote: »

My advice to yourself and anyone else locked in to a carbon lifestyle with a heavy reliance on cars (if you decide to have kids) is to park a kilometer from the school and cycle/scoot/skate the rest of the way.

Good for your, good for the kids, good for the gridlock caused by lazy parents.

No thanks, total waste of time sure who has the time for it? I live in the country too remember and the locals school is only 2km away perfect for a quick drop off on the way to work, you could park a jet in the drive there is so much space none of this rubbish of no space to pull in like city schools.

Plenty of exercise to be had on the farm no need to be wasting time going to work.

namloc1980 wrote: »

is a gorgeous day, and yet the SUVs were queueing up at the school as usual.
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Because most people are not driving to the school especially they are doing so on the way to work along with most people being too far to make a walk practical time wise.

namloc1980

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Because most people are not driving to the school especially they are doing so on the way to work along with most people being too far to make a walk practical time wise.

You mean they're lazy. They could park 500m from the school and walk. It would be quicker than sitting in traffic waiting for the perfect spot outside the door of the school to park in. The excuses are mounting up.

timmyjimmy

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

No thanks, total waste of time sure who has the time for it? I live in the country too remember and the locals school is only 2km away perfect for a quick drop off on the way to work, you could park a jet in the drive there is so much space none of this rubbish of no space to pull in like city schools.

Plenty of exercise to be had on the farm no need to be wasting time going to work.

Am, this is the Cork"city" forum, you're a bit lost. This explains why everything you've said up to now is BS.

AndrewJRenko

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

No thanks, total waste of time sure who has the time for it? I live in the country too remember and the locals school is only 2km away perfect for a quick drop off on the way to work, you could park a jet in the drive there is so much space none of this rubbish of no space to pull in like city schools.

Plenty of exercise to be had on the farm no need to be wasting time going to work.

Waste of time? Bikes are faster than cars stuck in traffic on most journeys. They are generally predictable, with little variation resulting from traffic or weather.

That sounds like a huge waste of space at the school though - large amounts of space dedicated to parking used for five minutes each morning and evening. Shouldn't they be putting that space to good use?

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Because most people are not driving to the school especially they are doing so on the way to work along with most people being too far to make a walk practical time wise.

Most people are doing journeys of less than 4km, distances that are easily walked or cycled.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/more-than-half-of-travellers-use-cars-for-journeys-under-2km-1.2303451

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Waste of time? Bikes are faster than cars stuck in traffic on most journeys. They are generally predictable, with little variation resulting from traffic or weather.

That sounds like a huge waste of space at the school though - large amounts of space dedicated to parking used for five minutes each morning and evening. Shouldn't they be putting that space to good use?

They have more than enough space, school has very large grounds. Also where cars pull in is either along the area outside the school wall where a big layby was left for cars or inside the walls which is part of the play ground during the school day when the gates are closed.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Most people are doing journeys of less than 4km, distances that are easily walked or cycled.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/more-than-half-of-travellers-use-cars-for-journeys-under-2km-1.2303451

Even if true, which it isn’t for many 4km is way to far to be walking to work and too far for cycling too. I certainly wouldn’t do it.

hans aus dtschl

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

They have more than enough space, school has very large grounds. Also where cars pull in is either along the area outside the school wall where a big layby was left for cars or inside the walls which is part of the play ground during the school day when the gates are closed.

Even if true, which it isn’t for many 4km is way to far to be walking to work and too far for cycling too. I certainly wouldn’t do it.

Again, you're in the wrong forum I'd say: start this thread in the county forum by all means.
The thread itself is called "Illegal parking in city".
Your rural school with its large space dedicated to cars obviously doesn't factor in such a discussion.

John_Rambo

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

No thanks, total waste of time sure who has the time for it?

Well, you according to your many posts telling us all how you don't have to be in work till ten so you can avoid traffic.

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

I live in the country too remember and the locals school is only 2km away perfect for a quick drop off on the way to work, you could park a jet in the drive there is so much space none of this rubbish of no space to pull in like city schools.

Aside from this thread dealing with a city parking issue the living in the country excuses are wearing thin. Rural obesity is an issue now. It may be too late for yourself, but kids getting themselves to school under peddle or foot power are stronger, fitter, healthier and are quicker to learn.

namloc1980

Is the Council doing anything for World Car Free Day on Sunday? Have heard nothing so assume not. Jaysus, they are fcuking useless.

Mefistofelino

namloc1980 wrote: »

Is the Council doing anything for World Car Free Day on Sunday? Have heard nothing so assume not. Jaysus, they are fcuking useless.

They'll be all tired out from Culture night tonight - can't expect them to support something like "car free" day so soon.

Extinction Rebellion are apparently stopping non-permitted traffic from entering Patrick's Street on Sunday afternoon if you want something to watch

https://www.facebook.com/events/2549458532007334/

AndrewJRenko

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

They have more than enough space, school has very large grounds. Also where cars pull in is either along the area outside the school wall where a big layby was left for cars or inside the walls which is part of the play ground during the school day when the gates are closed.

What an awful waste of space - a layby used for five or ten minutes each morning and evening. Could the school really not find any better use for the space?

And as for parental cars driving through the playground and parking there? Are they insane?

Apart from risk of injury, they are choking the kids to death.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/health/placenta-pollution-intl-hnk-scli/index.html

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Even if true, which it isn’t for many 4km is way to far to be walking to work and too far for cycling too. I certainly wouldn’t do it.

Just to clarify - 4km would be about 40 minutes walk or 20 minutes cycle. What exactly is it about the 20 minute cycle that is too much for you?

And please do explain what exactly is untrue about the Census data?

Dbu

Mefistofelino wrote: »

Extinction Rebellion are apparently stopping non-permitted traffic from entering Patrick's Street on Sunday afternoon if you want something to watch

https://www.facebook.com/events/2549458532007334/

Interesting, this is how they describe themselves

'Extinction Rebellion is an international movement that uses non-violent civil disobedience in an attempt to halt mass extinction and minimise the risk of social collapse'

j8wk2feszrnpao

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And what's the problem with that reply?

If you genuinely are interested in health, you and your kids will be much, much healthier cycling - half the cancer risk, dramatic reduction in coronary issues, blood pressure, obesity, diabetes - issues that far outweigh a day off with the sniffles.

Which is why I said I’m all for kids cycling to school.
Why can’t people read the basics.

j8wk2feszrnpao

twowheelsonly wrote: »

They won't catch a cold from getting wet. The common cold is caused by various viruses, not by being caught in a shower / having a bath / going for a swim.
If you're still worried about it, or by the fact that a child might be stuck in wet clothes for an hour or so, then a raincoat is the answer so nothing at all wrong with that posters reply !!

Wet weather tends to be colder. Being wet or damp leads to a greater risk cause it’s an ideal scenario for those viruses.
I never mentioned a bath or a shower, cause it’s warm. And generally going for a swim is done in warm weather. A cold bath/shower/swim, try it, see how you get on!!
I’m not worried about it at all. I’ve covered this is other threads, when there’s been people like you don’t know what they’re talking about.

j8wk2feszrnpao

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Also, I’m pretty sure there’s no link between getting wet and catching a cold.

Incorrect.
But again, I’m not disagreeing with your overall point, I was just giving one example. I’m all for kids cycling if they can; just highlighting one possible reason why some drive (which was the question asked.

AndrewJRenko

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »

Also, I’m pretty sure there’s no link between getting wet and catching a cold.

Incorrect.
But again, I’m not disagreeing with your overall point, I was just giving one example. I’m all for kids cycling if they can; just highlighting one possible reason why some drive (which was the question asked.

It's an excuse, not a reason.

namloc1980

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Incorrect.
But again, I’m not disagreeing with your overall point, I was just giving one example. I’m all for kids cycling if they can; just highlighting one possible reason why some drive (which was the question asked.

Actually correct. Being wet does not give people a cold.

j8wk2feszrnpao

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

It's an excuse, not a reason.

Stay ignorant of others people's situation if you wish (bit like the lack of sympathy illegal parkers have for others), up to you. But time to ignore you from now on.

the beer revolu

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Stay ignorant of others people's situation if you wish (bit like the lack of sympathy illegal parkers have for others), up to you. But time to ignore you from now on.

Yes, being mean to someone on the Internet has just the same negative effect on society as parking illegally.
If someone disagrees with mm, they disagree with society , is it?

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What an awful waste of space - a layby used for five or ten minutes each morning and evening. Could the school really not find any better use for the space?

You can’t build the wall of the school right up against a narrow county road regardless, planning wouldn’t even allow that so the layby is needed regardless of cars parking.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

And as for parental cars driving through the playground and parking there? Are they insane?

Why would it be insane? During school houses when the school gates are closed to traffic the area where cars can drive through is part of the play ground. Where the teachers cars are parked is also fully accessible by kids playing but again the cars don’t move when kids are at play so no danger. This the the case in the majority of country of schools and some city schools too.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Just to clarify - 4km would be about 40 minutes walk or 20 minutes cycle. What exactly is it about the 20 minute cycle that is too much for you?
?

Effort and hardship which I’ve no interest in partaking in and that’s on a dry day, I detest getting wet so it’s even worse on a wet day. I have 2 meters from by back door to my car and the same from my parking space at work to the door of our office, I can wear just t-shirt even on wet days none of this having to get dressed in about 10 layers which I hate.

namloc1980

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Effort and hardship which I’ve no interest in partaking in and that’s on a dry day, I detest getting wet so it’s even worse on a wet day. I have 2 meters from by back door to my car and the same from my parking space at work to the door of our office, I can wear just t-shirt even on wet days none of this having to get dressed in about 10 layers which I hate.

Imagine using your legs. Oh the humanity. By the way, who gets dressed in 10 layers?!? That would be a bizarre thing to do.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Waste of time? Bikes are faster than cars stuck in traffic on most journeys. They are generally predictable, with little variation resulting from traffic or weather.

That sounds like a huge waste of space at the school though - large amounts of space dedicated to parking used for five minutes each morning and evening. Shouldn't they be putting that space to good use?

They have more than enough space, school has very large grounds. Also where cars pull in is either along the area outside the school wall where a big layby was left for cars or inside the walls which is part of the play ground during the school day when the gates are closed.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Most people are doing journeys of less than 4km, distances that are easily walked or cycled.


https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/more-than-half-of-travellers-use-cars-for-journeys-under-2km-1.2303451

Even if true, which it isn’t for many 4km is way to far to be walking to work and too far for cycling too. I certainly wouldn’t do it.

4km too far to cycle? You're trolling at this stage surely. That's no more than a 15 min journey on a bike. Get out of your car-only mindset and you may actually realise there are other better, healthier options out there for your commute.

Cork Trucker

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

4km too far to cycle? You're trolling at this stage surely. That's no more than a 15 min journey on a bike. Get out of your car-only mindset and you may actually realise there are other better, healthier options out there for your commute.

Have you ever considered running for public office?

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

4km too far to cycle? You're trolling at this stage surely. That's no more than a 15 min journey on a bike. Get out of your car-only mindset and you may actually realise there are other better, healthier options out there for your commute.

Have you ever considered running for public office?

Good man yourself.
I'm awaiting to hear your argument against my above post?

AndrewJRenko

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Stay ignorant of others people's situation if you wish (bit like the lack of sympathy illegal parkers have for others), up to you. But time to ignore you from now on.

There is no ignorance on my part. I see exactly what's going on, and I'm calling it like it is.

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

You can’t build the wall of the school right up against a narrow county road regardless, planning wouldn’t even allow that so the layby is needed regardless of cars parking.

What specific aspect of planning regulations are you referring to here please?

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Why would it be insane? During school houses when the school gates are closed to traffic the area where cars can drive through is part of the play ground. Where the teachers cars are parked is also fully accessible by kids playing but again the cars don’t move when kids are at play so no danger. This the the case in the majority of country of schools and some city schools too.

I already answered your question of why, in the bit that you left out of your quote:

Apart from risk of injury, they are choking the kids to death.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/18/healt...cli/index.html

If I need to explain further, I can explain that kids aren't great for checking their watches before they decide whether to start playing or not. The most natural instinct of any child is to play, especially when they see their friends. And you're happy to be driving cars in through the area that is dedicated for their playtime for most of the day? This is going to go badly wrong some day.

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Effort and hardship which I’ve no interest in partaking in and that’s on a dry day, I detest getting wet so it’s even worse on a wet day. I have 2 meters from by back door to my car and the same from my parking space at work to the door of our office, I can wear just t-shirt even on wet days none of this having to get dressed in about 10 layers which I hate.

The extreme effort of 'putting on a coat' - Oh Lord the inhumanity of it all. Are you made of sugar or what?



Do you ever find yourself having to put on a coat or get wet with all that farm work that you do for exercise?

Cork Trucker

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Good man yourself.
I'm awaiting to hear your argument against my above post?

I’m fully aware of who you are hence my question

Curb Your Enthusiasm

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Good man yourself.
I'm awaiting to hear your argument against my above post?

I’m fully aware of who you are hence my question

Wasn't sure if it was a serious question or not tbh - - will you support me on my campaign?

the beer revolu

Mefistofelino wrote: »

Extinction Rebellion are apparently stopping non-permitted traffic from entering Patrick's Street on Sunday afternoon if you want something to watch

https://www.facebook.com/events/2549458532007334/

Unfortunately, there was no sign of such activity at the North end of St. Patrick's Street just now.

Curb Your Enthusiasm

the beer revolu wrote: »

Mefistofelino wrote: »

Extinction Rebellion are apparently stopping non-permitted traffic from entering Patrick's Street on Sunday afternoon if you want something to watch

https://www.facebook.com/events/2549458532007334/

Unfortunately, there was no sign of such activity at the North end of St. Patrick's Street just now.

It's happening tomorrow.

Every other day, due to very little, if any, enforcement from Gardai, it's pretty much a free for all.

Cork Trucker

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

Wasn't sure if it was a serious question or not tbh - - will you support me on my campaign?

If you’re in my constituency/ward I will sure. I always like to back the underdog. I’d say for a general election you’d be in my area, for the locals I don’t think you are.

the beer revolu

Curb Your Enthusiasm wrote: »

It's happening tomorrow.

Every other day, due to very little, if any, enforcement from Gardai, it's pretty much a free for all.

Doh, of course it's tomorrow.

Cork Trucker

the beer revolu wrote: »

Unfortunately, there was no sign of such activity at the North end of St. Patrick's Street just now.

We probably walked straight passed each other :pac: I was around there at that time.

twowheelsonly

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Wet weather tends to be colder. Being wet or damp leads to a greater risk cause it’s an ideal scenario for those viruses.
I never mentioned a bath or a shower, cause it’s warm. And generally going for a swim is done in warm weather. A cold bath/shower/swim, try it, see how you get on!!
I’m not worried about it at all. I’ve covered this is other threads, when there’s been people like you don’t know what they’re talking about.

As it happens I finish ever shower with a cold shower. I've also swam, snorkelled and dived in the likes of Portroe Quarry, Aherla Quarry and Inisleena in the depths of winter.

The optimum conditions for cold and flu viruses are when it's cold and dry. Think frosty conditions and it's in around there. That's an indisputable scientific fact. Yes, those viruses can, and do, survive in other conditions but they really only thrive when we reach that frost point. (5 degrees or so). It's a rare day that you'll have rain and frost. Rain tends to be at a higher temperature.

As with all viral infections etc some people will also be more vulnerable to them, wrapping kids in cotton wool and driving them to school isn't going to make a tot of difference as to whether or not they contract a cold. Close contact is the number one cause, of kids in particular, contracting a cold or flu virus.

j8wk2feszrnpao

twowheelsonly wrote: »

Yes, those viruses can, and do, survive in other conditions but they really only thrive when we reach that frost point. (5 degrees or so). It's a rare day that you'll have rain and frost. Rain tends to be at a higher temperature.

Yes, very rare, for Ireland. But it's often wet and cold, and that's ideal conditions (for Ireland). And in a school environment, it can spread easily, if one gets it.

Look, my point was about why some people drive, in answer to a question. I'm not saying they should never get a drop of rain on them (no harm to build up their immunity, but for some parents, a sick kid(s) has other consequences (that others don't consider or care about). It in no way is to excuse the OTT stuff and illegal parking.

hans aus dtschl

Surveys in multiple countries have shown that the primary reasons cited for driving children to school were safety/security and convenience.
Weather and distance don't feature as highly.

I don't drive anyone to school so I don't know.

When I was driven to school it was primarily because it was convenient.

Weltsmertz

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Surveys in multiple countries have shown that the primary reasons cited for driving children to school were safety/security and convenience.
Weather and distance don't feature as highly.
.

Many of the children taking part in climate change demonstrations are driven to and from school every day. I don't think it really has much to do with the weather. It is more a cultural phenomenon that has developed in recent years. In my day the vast majority of children walked or cycled to school. Now SUVs park illegally outside schools and cause gridlock on our roads.

namloc1980

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Yes, very rare, for Ireland. But it's often wet and cold, and that's ideal conditions (for Ireland). And in a school environment, it can spread easily, if one gets it.

Look, my point was about why some people drive, in answer to a question. I'm not saying they should never get a drop of rain on them (no harm to build up their immunity, but for some parents, a sick kid(s) has other consequences (that others don't consider or care about). It in no way is to excuse the OTT stuff and illegal parking.

It's been pointed out numerous times that it actually rains very little at school drop off and collection times. Since the kids went back to school it's been remarkably dry across the country with only a few days of rain or what you could say were wet days. Regardless the traffic at schools if anything got worse. These parents are doing their children no favours by driving then to the front door of the school.

AndrewJRenko

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

If I need to explain further, I can explain that kids aren't great for checking their watches before they decide whether to start playing or not. The most natural instinct of any child is to play, especially when they see their friends. And you're happy to be driving cars in through the area that is dedicated for their playtime for most of the day? This is going to go badly wrong some day.

Well it’s been pretty much the same setup at the school for the last 25 years or so since it was built and there hasn’t been so much as a scratch on a child. You will see a similar setup in most country schools so you are frankly sprouting absolute biased nonsense.

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Do you ever find yourself having to put on a coat or get wet with all that farm work that you do for exercise?

Completely different scenario when actually going outside working.

Weltsmertz

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Well it’s been pretty much the same setup at the school for the last 25 years or so since it was built and there hasn’t been so much as a scratch on a child. You will see a similar setup in most country schools so you are frankly sprouting absolute biased nonsense .

Indeed you will. Parents in their SUVs insisting in driving into schools so their precious darlings will have to walk as little as possible. Maybe not a safety issue but it does make play areas a far less pleasant environment and discourages children not to use them.
And this insistence that walking or exercise is bad for children and they have to be dropped off or picked up by car is in my opinion not doing them any favours.

Weltsmertz

Parents who don't work have in effect created an activity for themselves i.e. driving children to and from school. And come in with all sorts of
spurious justifications for why they have to do it.
e.g other parents do it, walking or cycling in unsafe, carrying a school bag causes back issues, stranger danger, it might rain and children would get pneumonia etc. All bull****

Fact is this is bad for the environment and bad for children and sets unhealthy patterns for life.

Weltsmertz

Weltsmertz wrote: »

Parents who don't work have in effect created an activity for themselves i.e. driving children to and from school. And come in with all sorts of
spurious justifications for why they have to do it.
e.g other parents do it, walking or cycling in unsafe, carrying a school bag causes back issues, stranger danger etc. All bull****

Fact is this is bad for the environment and bad for children and sets unhealthy patterns for life.

What sort of rubbish is that? The vast majority of of parents who drop off kids in a car are doing it on their way to work. It’s the ones who don’t work who have time for killing walking to and from a school.

Markcheese

It's a complex thing, and down to human nature, a lot of people would aspire to not driving to school.. But on the day,youre 10 mins late or its cold.. And its easier to drive..
I made the mistake a year or 2 ago of driving down a road next to a secondary school at leaving time.. It was chaos... Parents were parking on the foot path, so the kids were walking on the road, lots of parents on the phone as they drove past so they could arrange to collect their darlings, cars in the bus stops, so the buses were double parking... And this school has a large car park set up for pick ups and drop offs, most of the kids are from the town... And there are school buses for outlying areas...
But, its easier (ish) to drive... (Until someone gets hurt),
If it stopped being easier ish, (say a garda giving out tickets every now and then) then habits would change..
Incidentally morning traffic is bad enough at this school to block the road about on an N road a couple of hundred meters away...

I can get all high and mighty about people should do this or that.. Or when I was that age I'd have walked.. Or cycled.. But I'd do whatever is most convenient... Most of the time

Weltsmertz

A little confused by your response above. It is not the children that are driving to school. It is the parents. You seem to be implying that children these days are incapable of walking or cycling in their own which buys into the snowflake narrative being pushed by parents
seeking to justify driving to school.

In my opinion the single biggest reason so many children are overweight these days is children being driven to school.