Illegal parking in city

Mardyke

Cars parked in bus lane all along Bridge Street and McCurtain St.

Amazing to see drivers pull in without even a consideration to where they are parking. Not a bother to then. Is it complete ignorance or is that increasingly evident sense of entitlement?

Cork Trucker

Mardyke wrote: »

Cars parked in bus lane all along Bridge Street and McCurtain St.

Amazing to see drivers pull in without even a consideration to where they are parking. Not a bother to then. Is it complete ignorance or is that increasingly evident sense of entitlement?

Sense of entitlement/lack of enforcement

AndrewJRenko

Cork Trucker wrote: »

If you tripped over the said kerb and injured yourself yourself so you wouldn’t be on the phone to your solicitor? Jolly good

What's the difference between the bike lane kerbs and every other kerb in the city in terms of being a trip hazard?

Have you a reliable source for your claim about payouts, or is this disinformation being spread by taximen or others NIMBYs?

Cork Trucker

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What's the difference between the bike lane kerbs and every other kerb in the city in terms of being a trip hazard?

Have you a reliable source for your claim about payouts, or is this disinformation being spread by taximen or others NIMBYs?

I don't engage with NIMBY's and just the one taxi man who does not discuss his work with me. The payouts feature in the general list of claimspaid by City Hall, if you want links then google is your friend. I won't come on here making spurious accusations, Based on your history here you like to engage in arguments, take it elsewhere i'm not interested so don't try and goad me with a silly reply as i won't entertain it.

Cork Trucker

Alfred Street today, no issue where and town was jammers with cars.


https://twitter.com/CorkTruckDriver/status/1185617719099613184

Padraig Mor

Mardyke wrote: »

Cars parked in bus lane all along Bridge Street and McCurtain St.

Amazing to see drivers pull in without even a consideration to where they are parking. Not a bother to then. Is it complete ignorance or is that increasingly evident sense of entitlement?

There's no bus lane there on Saturdays.

AndrewJRenko

Cork Trucker wrote: »

The payouts feature in the general list of claimspaid by City Hall, if you want links then google is your friend.

Google has zero reports of claims paid out due to trips on cycle lane kerbs.

Weltsmertz

Cork Trucker wrote: »

. The payouts feature in the general list of claimspaid by City Hall, if you want links then google is your friend. I won't come on here making spurious accusations,

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Google has zero reports of claims paid out due to trips on cycle lane kerbs.

No such list exists.in the public domain. You are making stuff up.

Mardyke

Padraig Mor wrote: »

There's no bus lane there on Saturdays.

What?

I saw the bus lanes with my own eyes...

Do you mean to say the bus lanes that are fully functional during the week are not required at the weekend.?

timmyjimmy

Mardyke wrote: »

What?

I saw the bus lanes with my own eyes...

Do you mean to say the bus lanes that are fully functional during the week are not required at the weekend.?

Yes they are bus lanes but look at the signs at the start of them: Bus lanes are in operation ~8;30-18:30 mon-friday, saturday not included. Public transport is a joke in Cork.

Padraig Mor

Mardyke wrote: »

What?

I saw the bus lanes with my own eyes...

Do you mean to say the bus lanes that are fully functional during the week are not required at the weekend.?

You'd want to open those eyes a bit more, after all inattention is one of the greatest dangers on the road. Virtually all bus lanes in Cork are Mon - Fri 07.30 - 09.30 and 16.30 - 18.30 (the poster above would want to pay more attention as well). There's clearly visible signs stating this.

Frankly, if they enforced them during operating hours it'd be a good start....

AugustusMinimus

Padraig Mor wrote: »

You'd want to open those eyes a bit more, after all inattention is one of the greatest dangers on the road. Virtually all bus lanes in Cork are Mon - Fri 07.30 - 09.30 and 16.30 - 18.30 (the poster above would want to pay more attention as well). There's clearly visible signs stating this.

Frankly, if they enforced them during operating hours it'd be a good start....

It’s virtually impossible for a motorist to read those signs given the need to focus on the road and given how small the type is on them.

Mardyke

Anyway, if a bus lane stops being a bus lane, it should become a lane, and not a parking space?

It baffles me why there are not people hired by the Council to hand out tickets. Give a bunch of people 15 euro an hour. They would pay for themselves in one day.

AugustusMinimus

Mardyke wrote: »

Anyway, if a bus lane stops being a bus lane, it should become a lane, and not a parking space?

It baffles me why there are not people hired by the Council to hand out tickets. Give a bunch of people 15 euro an hour. They would pay for themselves in one day.

If it becomes a normal lane and there isn’t a double yellow line on the curb or a sign saying no parking then surely it should be okay to park there in out of bus lane hours?

Cork Trucker

Mardyke wrote: »

Anyway, if a bus lane stops being a bus lane, it should become a lane, and not a parking space?

It baffles me why there are not people hired by the Council to hand out tickets. Give a bunch of people 15 euro an hour. They would pay for themselves in one day.

Funding is an issue for the City Council in several area's, i even asked Lorna Bogue where the money is going in this tweet the other day regarding their drop off zone proposal around schools.

https://twitter.com/LornaBogue/status/1184396178974216192

Cork Trucker

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

If it becomes a normal lane and there isn’t a double yellow line on the curb or a sign saying no parking then surely it should be okay to park there in out of bus lane hours?

Mac Curtain Street is a free for all in or out of bus lane hours. Imagine what this place will be like when reverted to two way traffic.

the beer revolu

ofcork wrote: »

Cars parked in the cycle lane on Mulgrave road again do they ever get ticketed.

Actually saw a few ticketed a week or so ago.
That was unusual.

AndrewJRenko

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

It’s virtually impossible for a motorist to read those signs given the need to focus on the road and given how small the type is on them.

If you can't read road signs, then it's time to hand over the keys to a competent driver instead.

Weltsmertz wrote: »

No such list exists.in the public domain. You are making stuff up.

And if there was a list, claims would be reported three to five years after the incident occurred, given the treacle-like speed of processing such claims. How old is that cycle track again?

Mardyke

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

If it becomes a normal lane and there isn’t a double yellow line on the curb or a sign saying no parking then surely it should be okay to park there in out of bus lane hours?

No. It would be OK to park in if it was called a parking space. If its a traffic lane then it's not for parking.

I suppose some arseholes park on footpaths. There's no sign to tell them not to.

TheChizler

Mardyke wrote: »

No. It would be OK to park in if it was called a parking space. If its a traffic lane then it's not for parking.

I suppose some arseholes park on footpaths. There's no sign to tell them not to.

https://maps.app.goo.gl/QM7R2c84jxkxTskZ7

Read up on the rules of the road. Bus lane only certain times Monday to Friday, and single yellow line prohibits parking within certain hours, which are marked half 8 to half 6 Monday to Saturday.

Wilton and several other roads are the same.

Cork Trucker

TheChizler wrote: »

https://maps.app.goo.gl/QM7R2c84jxkxTskZ7

Read up on the rules of the road. Bus lane only certain times Monday to Friday, and single yellow line prohibits parking within certain hours, which are marked half 8 to half 6 Monday to Saturday.

Wilton and several other roads are the same.

Correct on Wilton, what people don’t know or see, is at the end of the bus lane where the 2 lanes merge there is a yield sign for those in the bus lane yet they keep driving. Plenty of accidents and near misses both there and at the Wilton Gardens junction.

hans aus dtschl

We've kind of done this all before on this thread, but I don't agree with them not just making bus lanes 24/7 and removing the ambiguity.

If they're needed for the buses and unavailable for us in cars at the busiest times of day, then they shouldn't be needed by us in cars at the quieter times either.

Speaking with a cyclist hat on, a shared bus lane can be almost as valuable as a bike lane, so potentially two birds with one stone there too.

namloc1980

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Mac Curtain Street is a free for all in or out of bus lane hours. Imagine what this place will be like when reverted to two way traffic.

The double parking on the Metropole side is quite something as well. How people feel they are entitled to double park their car on a driving lane is beyond me. You see this on Parnell Place as well.

hans aus dtschl

namloc1980 wrote: »

The double parking on the Metropole side is quite something as well. How people feel they are entitled to double park their car on a driving lane is beyond me. You see this on Parnell Place as well.

And on South Mall.

Cork Trucker

namloc1980 wrote: »

The double parking on the Metropole side is quite something as well. How people feel they are entitled to double park their car on a driving lane is beyond me. You see this on Parnell Place as well.

Yes you’re 100% correct now I think of it.

namloc1980

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

And on South Mall.

Absolutely. Double and even triple parking on the South Mall is a routine occurrence. Lack of enforcement has given people this sense of entitlement to park wherever they want. Traffic wardens are next to useless as their only concern is catching out people who are in legal parking spots but their disc is 10 minutes over. They turn a blind eye to actual illegal parking. And the gardaí don't give a shiite.

Cork Trucker

Another issue that needs addressing, not just during the ban but at all times. People tend to not give a fcuk and just park in these spaces. https://twitter.com/CorkGreens/status/1186626371579269121

hans aus dtschl

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Another issue that needs addressing, not just during the ban but at all times. People tend to not give a fcuk and just park in these spaces. https://twitter.com/CorkGreens/status/1186626371579269121

Yep, I frequently see big commercial vehicles parked in the local mobility impaired spaces at my local Super Valu. My local school regularly sees people park their SUV's on the footpath at collection time, with their children forced to walk on the road.
I honestly don't know what can be done about this kind of behaviour. Maybe I'm only noticing it more nowadays, but it feels like it has got worse over the past 5 years or so, somehow.

Cork Trucker

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Yep, I frequently see big commercial vehicles parked in the local mobility impaired spaces at my local Super Valu. My local school regularly sees people park their SUV's on the footpath at collection time, with their children forced to walk on the road.
I honestly don't know what can be done about this kind of behaviour. Maybe I'm only noticing it more nowadays, but it feels like it has got worse over the past 5 years or so, somehow.

It's all dealt with in one phrase "Sense of entitlement"

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hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Yep, I frequently see big commercial vehicles parked in the local mobility impaired spaces at my local Super Valu. My local school regularly sees people park their SUV's on the footpath at collection time, with their children forced to walk on the road.
I honestly don't know what can be done about this kind of behaviour. Maybe I'm only noticing it more nowadays, but it feels like it has got worse over the past 5 years or so, somehow.

Just more and more cars/drivers in the same space I'd say, with the ridiculous size of SUVs contributing. Driving is getting more annoying and frustrating and people are running on fumes when it comes to being considerate and polite. You know like "it's taken me half an hour to get here, I'm running behind, people have been cutting me off and tailgating me and I caught every light on red, fcukit I deserve to park here"

Anyone living in an urban or suburban area driving a SUV should be hammered with extra tax imo, unless they can show they need it.

hans aus dtschl

There are currently proposals in German government to provide laws that allow the banning of SUV's from city centres. This was prompted by the deaths of three pedestrians at the hands of an elderly SUV driver in Berlin, who mounted the footpath.

Weltsmertz

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Another issue that needs addressing, not just during the ban but at all times. People tend to not give a fcuk and just park in these spaces. https://twitter.com/CorkGreens/status/1186626371579269121

I am baffled at why the greens are raising this. They want all the cars with blue badges to be given official permission to ignore the Panaban and drive through Patrick Street. I think the most obvious thing to do to reduce volume of private cars ignoring the Panaban would be to close off access from Academy Street..
The greens want to have blue badge owners join taxi drivers as an entitled group allowed to ignore ban. And of course nobody can critise it as this would be an attack on disabled sticker drivers.

Cork Trucker

Weltsmertz wrote: »

I am baffled at why the greens are raising this. They want all the cars with blue badges to be given official permission to ignore the Panaban and drive through Patrick Street. I think the most obvious thing to do to reduce volume of private cars ignoring the Panaban would be to close off access from Academy Street..
The greens want to have blue badge owners join taxi drivers as an entitled group allowed to ignore ban. And of course nobody can critise it as this would be an attack on disabled sticker drivers.

Academy Street is closed off from 3-6.30 or at least it was, basically as it is one way anyone who parks up before 3 is stuck there for the duration of the ban unless they decide to break the law which in the majority of cases is unpunished anyway. St Peter & Paul's place is the other spot for these spaces.

Weltsmertz

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Academy Street is closed off from 3-6.30 or at least it was, basically as it is one way anyone who parks up before 3 is stuck there for the duration of the ban unless they decide to break the law which in the majority of cases is unpunished anyway. St Peter & Paul's place is the other spot for these spaces.

Neither Academy Street or Paul Street are closed off from 3:00 -6:30. Cars are free to drive through them to drive onto Patrick Street
These spaces have now become a Trojan horse in the fight against taking cars out of the city center
Just very surprised that the greens are so naive to allow themselves to be used in this way.

Cork Trucker

Weltsmertz wrote: »

Neither Academy Street or Paul Street are closed off from 3:00 -6:30. Cars are free to drive through them to drive onto Patrick Street
These spaces have now become a Trojan horse in the fight against taking cars out of the city center
Just very surprised that the greens are so naive to allow themselves to be used in this way.

I never mentioned Paul Street, St Peter &Paul's place only has 1 exit, onto St Patrick's Street, just like Academy Street, so anyone who is in those spaces during those hours is stuck there unless they wish to risk an unlikely fine.

Weltsmertz

Cork Trucker wrote: »

I never mentioned Paul Street, St Peter &Paul's place only has 1 exit, onto St Patrick's Street, just like Academy Street, so anyone who is in those spaces during those hours is stuck there unless they wish to risk an unlikely fine.

Yes. But anyone now proposing that cars be blocked from using these streets to driving onto Patrick Street during the ban can now be accused of attacking the disabled thanks to the Greens.

Cork Trucker

Weltsmertz wrote: »

Yes. But anyone now proposing that cars be blocked from using these streets to driving onto Patrick Street during the ban can now be accused of attacking the disabled thanks to the Greens.

Only if they are a badge holder, and if said holder is with vehicle which can be verified, on the back of the card are the holders details, if they aren't there then it's fraud, my child has one and we had to fight hard for it so stringent are the rules now.

Weltsmertz

Cork Trucker wrote: »

Only if they are a badge holder, and if said holder is with vehicle which can be verified, on the back of the card are the holders details, if they aren't there then it's fraud, my child has one and we had to fight hard for it so stringent are the rules now.

But this means that the access streets can't be closed to any cars just in case cars with blue badges want to drive through pedestrianised areas.

Cork Trucker

Weltsmertz wrote: »

But this means that the access streets can't be closed to any cars just in case cars with blue badges want to drive through pedestrianised areas.

It's not physically closed anyway, not in the same way that OPS is. one way to do it is through ANPR, badges can be assigned to certain vehicles like they can be at present, those not registered get fined, the onus should be on the badge holder to prove it in the event of a fine. Public transport isn't fit for a dog in a lot of cases, let alone the disabled. Are you wanting Cork to go down the Dutch model and have bicycles galore? St Patrick's Street isn't actually pedestrianised during those hours either, it's a bus lane just to clarify, i wouldn't want exemptions issued to drive down Winthrop Street,Cook Street,Marlboro Street (or OPS pedestrian zone from 11-5) as these are pedestrianised.

Weltsmertz

But why do blue badge drivers need to drive through Patrick Street during the Panaban anyway?
And the Greens argument seems to be that the access streets need to be kept permanently open in order to allow blue badge holders to park on then.
Conditions to get a blue badge are not that onerous. There are a lot of them issued.

Mardyke

This country really is run by absolute idiots.

Propped up by swathes of fellow idiots and mé féiners.

Mind boggling.

yogmeister

Why can't the blue badge holders park in Paul St car park or merchant s Quay car park.

Cork Trucker

yogmeister wrote: »

Why can't the blue badge holders park in Paul St car park or merchant s Quay car park.

On street parking is free for them, in the car parks it’s not

Mardyke

Mardyke wrote: »

This country really is run by absolute idiots.

Propped up by swathes of fellow idiots and mers.

Mind boggling.

Did you ever stop and think that you are wrong and that the majority who want this ban scrapped are correct. You should consider this very likely scenario.

hans aus dtschl

Kane Damp Stack wrote: »

Did you ever stop and think that you are wrong and that the majority who want this ban scrapped are correct. You should consider this very likely scenario.

While it might be worth considering, so too might be the opposite for you, right?

My peer group appear to be in favour of the ban. But that's just my echo chamber. They mostly want/aspire to no through-traffic in the city centre (as has been achieved in many European cities) and more people living in the city centre (higher density) with short commutes to work.

hans aus dtschl

Cork Trucker wrote: »

On street parking is free for them, in the car parks it’s not

Interesting: I had never considered this detail.
Should they have subsidised parking like this, I wonder? Should they be subsidised in the car-park? Should they not be subsidised on the street? I never knew about this nuance.

Cork Trucker

hans aus dtschl wrote: »

Interesting: I had never considered this detail.
Should they have subsidised parking like this, I wonder? Should they be subsidised in the car-park? Should they not be subsidised on the street? I never knew about this nuance.

Yes, my child is a blue badge holder, whenever i park on a public street (legally) be it in an ordinary space or a disabled bay i have free unlimited parking once the card is displayed, this does not apply in car parks both public and private such as HSE hospitals. I had to jump through several hoops to get it as my child does not meet the criteria for a primary medical certificate, the thing that gives you the vat off a car, vat back on petrol or diesel,free tolls and free tax once the vehicle is adapted for the disabled driver or passenger, those rules are very rigid.

AlphabetCards

the beer revolu wrote: »

Oh yeah, the courthouse one is interesting all right. I guess if you're pals with the guards.....

Loading bay is supposed to give you 30 minutes

A class above.

yogmeister

Cork Trucker wrote: »

On street parking is free for them, in the car parks it’s not

Having free parking is nt the point. The point is why should Blue badge holders be allowed park on academy street and have access to Patrick St during ban times when others can't.

the beer revolu

yogmeister wrote: »

Having free parking is nt the point. The point is why should Blue badge holders be allowed park on academy street and have access to Patrick St during ban times when others can't.

Because, perhaps, they can't walk to St. Patrick's Street like others can.
You do know that busses and taxis can also access St. Patrick's?

Anyway what is being suggested is that badge holder's would be allowed drive on the restricted streets, too. I have no problem with this.

Not so sure electric cars should be allowed, though.