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Brexit Referendum Superthread

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    #1292
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    511 wrote: »
    We will in our bollocks.

    Hah pretty much why would we join schengen when we dont even share a land border with any EU state. :P


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    #1293
    Mr.Nice Guy
    Registered Users Posts: 45,594 ✭✭✭✭Mr.Nice Guy


    murpho999 wrote: »
    It may not be a case of what they want but what is a consequence of the result.

    Immigration is a key issue in this vote.

    If they they exit and want to control immigration how can they do so with an open porous border with Ireland?

    "It really is a scare story to say that suddenly we are going to have Troubles-style security checks and towers around the border.

    "It is not going to happen. We can keep an open border with the Republic of Ireland."

    "The Common Travel Area has survived a civil war, a world war and 30 years of the Troubles. Of course it is going to survive a Brexit vote."

    Those are the words of Theresa Villiers.

    The arrangements will stay the same if the other EU states agree to them, and to my mind none of them have suggested they would be unhappy with the CTA continuing.


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    #1294
    sadie06
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭sadie06


    whatever_ wrote: »
    No they won't. The only people talking about a hard border are Remain scaremongers. And it looks like some of them will soon be out of Government. Nobody is advocating a hard border. Nobody in Britain, nobody in Ireland and nobody in "Europe".

    Border control has been one of the main issues the far-right leave campaign has been fought on. As the only land border with the EU I don't see how it could be left as is.


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    #1295
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,476 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    511 wrote: »
    We will in our bollocks. No way, not after the stunt Merkel pulled in 2015. Ireland should be building a fortress to keep low-skilled/poorly-educated immigrant, so we can avoid ghettos and mass sex assaults a la Cologne.

    We end in the same mess as the UK, with immigrants coming looking for free housing, welfare and free healthcare. No-one should enter Ireland looking for a council house, they should only come in to fill in job applications.

    That's right, it's all the foreigners.

    Total xenophobia and totally devoid of fact.


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    #1296
    Its dead Jim
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    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    "It really is a scare story to say that suddenly we are going to have Troubles-style security checks and towers around the border.

    "It is not going to happen. We can keep an open border with the Republic of Ireland."

    "The Common Travel Area has survived a civil war, a world war and 30 years of the Troubles. Of course it is going to survive a Brexit vote."

    Those are the words of Theresa Villiers.

    The arrangements will stay the same if the other EU states agree to them, and to my mind none of them have suggested they would be unhappy with the CTA continuing.

    So much for securing their borders. Anyone can just walk into the UK from the EU.


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    #1297
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    "It really is a scare story to say that suddenly we are going to have Troubles-style security checks and towers around the border.

    "It is not going to happen. We can keep an open border with the Republic of Ireland."

    "The Common Travel Area has survived a civil war, a world war and 30 years of the Troubles. Of course it is going to survive a Brexit vote."

    Those are the words of Theresa Villiers.

    The arrangements will stay the same if the other EU states agree to them, and to my mind none of them have suggested they would be unhappy with the CTA continuing.

    If the UK want to restrict Free Movement, they'll need one. We are not going to stop EU citizens from movement


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    #1298
    whatever_
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭whatever_


    murpho999 wrote: »
    PhoenixParker wrote: »
    Not necessarily. Sweden/Norway is probably the way it'd go.
    I'd expect random checks and the closing of minor crossings but not hard border.

    Not true. Norway and Sweden are both in Schengen.
    And Britain and Ireland have a Common Travel Area. And nobody is advocating the end of that either. So there is no case for a hard border.


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    #1299
    J Mysterio
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    This could preempt a United Ireland vote?


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    #1300
    Mr.Nice Guy
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    mansize wrote: »
    If the UK want to restrict Free Movement, they'll need one. We are not going to stop EU citizens from movement

    They don't fear immigrants crossing the Irish border, rightly or wrongly.


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    #1301
    sink
    Registered Users Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink


    whatever_ wrote: »
    That's a good thing. How does that harm the UK economy ? great for jobs and exports !

    The UK has a balance of trade deficit, it also imports the majority of it's physical goods, everything from food to electronics and energy. All of these will increase in cost. Their foreign debt also becomes more expensive. Inflation will rise steeply, mortgage repayments will be more expensive.Their major export which is financial services which should be more competitive as sterling falls, but it has a major risk to access of it's largest market so it's doubtful it will make up the difference.


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    #1302
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    This could preempt a United Ireland vote?
    What is the point of that?


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    #1303
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,476 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    "It really is a scare story to say that suddenly we are going to have Troubles-style security checks and towers around the border.

    "It is not going to happen. We can keep an open border with the Republic of Ireland."

    "The Common Travel Area has survived a civil war, a world war and 30 years of the Troubles. Of course it is going to survive a Brexit vote."

    Those are the words of Theresa Villiers.

    The arrangements will stay the same if the other EU states agree to them, and to my mind none of them have suggested they would be unhappy with the CTA continuing.

    Nobody said "Troubles-style security checks and towers". That was to deal with terrorism.
    There could well be normal border checkpoints for passports like there are with other non EU/EEA countries in Europe.

    Theresa Villiers may say one thing but it maybe out of her hands completely.

    If only I could find examples of a politician saying one thing and the opposite happens.


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    #1304
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    What is the point of that?

    People in the North wanting ro remain part of the EU/ join Ireland?


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    #1305
    [Deleted User]
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    whatever_ wrote: »
    That's a good thing. How does that harm the UK economy ? great for jobs and exports !

    Why didn't they just devalue by 90% before then?


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    #1306
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    UK will find imports a lot more expensive.

    Going to be inflation in the UK, as food gets more expensive, fuel gets more expensive.
    It is going to be costly.


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    #1307
    whatever_
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭whatever_


    mansize wrote: »
    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    "It really is a scare story to say that suddenly we are going to have Troubles-style security checks and towers around the border.

    "It is not going to happen. We can keep an open border with the Republic of Ireland."

    "The Common Travel Area has survived a civil war, a world war and 30 years of the Troubles. Of course it is going to survive a Brexit vote."

    Those are the words of Theresa Villiers.

    The arrangements will stay the same if the other EU states agree to them, and to my mind none of them have suggested they would be unhappy with the CTA continuing.

    If the UK want to restrict Free Movement, they'll need one. We are not going to stop EU citizens from movement
    No they won't. There will be checks when people try to access services in the North (e.g. health, schools, housing etc, and in Ireland as well) and some sort of a reciprocal North/ South agreement. There is no case for a hard border.


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    #1308
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    What is the point of that?

    Also, its been said many times that if Brexit occurs, Scotland may want another referendum given theyre so eurocentric.


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    #1309
    laugh
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    UK will find imports a lot more expensive.

    Going to be inflation in the UK, as food gets more expensive, fuel gets more expensive.
    It is going to be costly.

    And the poorest parts of the Uk are voting to leave, the mind boggles.


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    #1310
    RobertKK
    Registered Users Posts: 33,749 ✭✭✭✭RobertKK


    Who would want NI and their £8 billion budget deficit, let Westminster pay for the mistake they made near 100 years ago.


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    #1311
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »
    They don't fear immigrants crossing the Irish border, rightly or wrongly.

    Then, they are quite stupid.

    How did the burglar get in, I bolted the front door???

    -eh, your side door is wide open....


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    #1312
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    People in the North wanting ro remain part of the EU/ join Ireland?
    The unionists who voted Remain would rather be out of the EU than vote for a united Ireland.


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    #1313
    murpho999
    Registered Users Posts: 28,476 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    whatever_ wrote: »
    And Britain and Ireland have a Common Travel Area. And nobody is advocating the end of that either. So there is no case for a hard border.

    No, because Norway's non EU membership is not an anti -immigration stance like the Brexit case is. It's very different.


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    #1314
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    whatever_ wrote: »
    No they won't. There will be checks when people try to access services in the North (e.g. health, schools, housing etc, and in Ireland as well) and some sort of a reciprocal North/ South agreement. There is no case for a hard border.

    In Ireland EU citizens have access, what do we need to check?


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    #1315
    anothernight
    Registered Users Posts: 2,541 ✭✭✭anothernight


    laugh wrote: »
    And the poorest parts of the Uk are voting to leave, the mind boggles.

    I expected it to be more linked to age than anything, but as far as I can see the results are in line with education levels in each constituency. At least in the parts of the country I'm most familiar with.


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    #1316
    Francie Barrett
    Registered Users Posts: 16,643 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    the currency checking site xe.com is down.

    This is mental.


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    #1317
    Infini
    Registered Users Posts: 4,573 ✭✭✭Infini


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    What is the point of that?

    The leave vote isnt strong in NI if anything its strongly remain.
    If the scot's get a 2nd referendum theres no doubt there wouldnt be a border poll over here and it would be the economy that would most likely decide that poll.


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    #1318
    J Mysterio
    Registered Users Posts: 11,035 ✭✭✭✭J Mysterio


    Francie Barrett wrote: »
    The unionists who voted Remain would rather be out of the EU than vote for a united Ireland.

    The unionists have been voting out.


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    #1319
    mansize
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭mansize


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    The unionists have been voting out.

    UUP were remain, some clearly voted remain.


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    #1320
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Also, its been said many times that if Brexit occurs, Scotland may want another referendum given theyre so eurocentric.

    They might find it tough negotiating entry to the EU given that Spain won't look sympathetically at it given their issues with Catalonia and the Basque area.


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    #1321
    whatever_
    Registered Users Posts: 182 ✭✭whatever_


    RobertKK wrote: »
    UK will find imports a lot more expensive.

    Going to be inflation in the UK, as food gets more expensive, fuel gets more expensive.
    It is going to be costly.
    Yes, but it's a 10% move, and may go down more before it rises - but although dramatic for one night - it is at the level of a "competitive devaluation" and not excessive. Sterling has been far too strong.


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