Brexit Referendum Superthread

mansize

J Mysterio wrote: »

Scotland had their chance and they screwed it.

Their promises weren't met.

AllGunsBlazing

Boris has luck of the devil. Waking up yesterday morning I bet he thought that he'd backed the wrong horse and sunk his leadership chances with it.

_Redzer_

NikoTopps wrote: »

Anyone else hoping a Leave vote will greatly fuel Irish and Scottish nationalism?

The dreams of a United Ireland and an Independent Scotland don't seem far away anymore!

This brings United Ireland closer because of all the unease that'll ensue in the UK with Scotland wanting to break off, presumably Wales to follow, and nobody will want NI, but eventually it'd go to us.

If that were to happen soon there would be a mini troubles. It'd be disastrous.

RobertKK

NikoTopps wrote: »

Anyone else hoping a Leave vote will greatly fuel Irish and Scottish nationalism?

The dreams of a United Ireland and an Independent Scotland don't seem far away anymore!

I don't want NI's basket case economy.

NikoTopps

J Mysterio wrote: »

Scotland had their chance and they screwed it.

I'm not so sure about that really. I think if Leave wins Scotland could have another referendum, sure seems likely anyway.

Infini

J Mysterio wrote: »

Scotland had their chance and they screwed it.

Wouldnt be so sure of it. They warned that a decisive scottish remain vote against an english leave vote would reopen the issue.

mansize

62% of Scotland voted Remain

Billy86

Jaysus that was some shocking nonsense of a ramble from Keith Vaz!

bilston

RobertKK wrote: »

NikoTopps wrote: »

Anyone else hoping a Leave vote will greatly fuel Irish and Scottish nationalism?

The dreams of a United Ireland and an Independent Scotland don't seem far away anymore!

I don't want NI's basket case economy.

If you think it's a basket case now, you ain't seen nothing yet now it is out of the EU

whatever_

Here are my "reasons why Ireland will benefit from Brexit"

1. As the only English speaking country in the EU and as Britain's closest ally (in Europe) Ireland will enjoy significantly more leverage in Brussels.

2. The border will remain as it is ( "soft", because there is no will or precedent in the EU, Britain or Ireland to make it anything else) and that will mean a subtly different status in the UK for Northern Ireland as compared with Scotland, Wales, England.

3. EU related finance jobs will move from the City to Dublin

4. More foreign multinationals will choose Ireland in preference to Britain

5. Ireland will be able to raise its corporate tax rates - this is good for our economy and good for our
relationships in Brussels.

6. The British-Irish trading relationship will become even more important to Britain than it is at present.
Whilst not currently permitted by EU law, a trade agreement between Britain and Ireland is a very likely consequence of
Britain's exit negotiations and will result in better trading conditions for Irish exporters in the medium to long term.

7. The management of the unique status of Northern Ireland and Ireland will require even closer co-operation between
North and South than is currently the case. For example, cooperation over access to services (housing, hospitals, schools,
public transport etc) for Irish/British citizens on the one hand and EU migrants on the other.
Greater cooperation and joint agencies will only aid the peace process.

8. The eurozone will be able to achieve deeper integration without Britain slowing up proceedings ,and that will benefit Ireland's economy.

9. Ireland will be (almost) the only EU country outside of Schengen, and Brexit/CTA is a very good argument for Ireland to remain out and avoid some of the migration problems associated with Schengen.

10. Ireland / NI will likely develop as a hub for EU / British trade with the opportunity for special economic zones / free trade zones
and this will mean even more jobs on this island.

11. A free trading Britain unencumbered by the protectionist EU will prosper in the long term. Ireland will benefit from that, just as it has from Britain's economic recovery in the face of a weak Eurozone.

RobertKK

The UK is in a bigger mess than Greece.

J Mysterio

What to do now. Forget sleep?

AllGunsBlazing

mansize wrote: »

62% of Scotland voted Remain

Surprising, I thought it would be much higher than that.

Harry Angstrom

Boris is gone to bed.

NikoTopps

"Overall result for North Of Ireland: 440,707 votes for Remain, 349,442 votes for Leave, 374 votes rejected"

It seems our northern brethren were quite pro EU.

NikoTopps

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Surprising, I thought it would be much higher than that.

Don't forget the turnout was tiny though.

Harry Angstrom

J Mysterio wrote: »

What to do now. Forget sleep?

Find an early house and start celebrating!

RobertKK

Moves in the currency market that have never been seen before.

J Mysterio

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Find an early house and start celebrating!

Nah.

Mr.Nice Guy

From a Scottish independence point of view, 62 per cent of Scots remaining and a narrow overall UK vote to leave is almost exactly what was required to give validity to the prospect of a second referendum.

laugh

I wonder if lots of people paid too much attention to the most recent polls and sentiment surrounding the death of Jo Cox and thought Remain was a shoe in and didn't vote despite wanting to remain in the EU. They will feel like right tools when they wake up.

Infini

RobertKK wrote: »

Moves in the currency market that have never been seen before.

Amazon.co.uk become Amazon.ie O.o

RobertKK

Talk of Bloomberg we might be in a pre-Lehmans situation.

Harry Angstrom

Presumably Cameron and Osborne are preparing their resignation speeches

RobertKK

Infini2 wrote: »

Amazon.co.uk become Amazon.ie O.o

Amazon has become a lot cheaper :pac:

mansize

whatever_ wrote: »

Here are my "reasons why Ireland will benefit from Brexit"

1. As the only English speaking country in the EU and as Britain's closest ally (in Europe) Ireland will enjoy significantly more leverage in Brussels.
- Not really most EU countries have high level of English, and langue isn't that great a barrier
2. The border will remain as it is ( "soft", because there is no will or precedent in the EU, Britain or Ireland to make it anything else) and that will mean a subtly different status in the UK for Northern Ireland as compared with Scotland, Wales, England.
-It can't if UK don't want free movement
3. EU related finance jobs will move from the City to Dublin
-Why? Frankfurt more likely
4. More foreign multinationals will choose Ireland in preference to Britain
based on???
5. Ireland will be able to raise its corporate tax rates - this is good for our economy and good for our
relationships in Brussels.
Why would we, become less competitive
6. The British-Irish trading relationship will become even more important to Britain than it is at present.
but more difficult
Whilst not currently permitted by EU law, a trade agreement between Britain and Ireland is a very likely consequence of
Britain's exit negotiations and will result in better trading conditions for Irish exporters in the medium to long term.

7. The management of the unique status of Northern Ireland and Ireland will require even closer co-operation between
North and South than is currently the case. For example, cooperation over access to services (housing, hospitals, schools,
public transport etc) for Irish/British citizens on the one hand and EU migrants on the other.
Greater cooperation and joint agencies will only aid the peace process.
...
8. The eurozone will be able to achieve deeper integration without Britain slowing up proceedings ,and that will benefit Ireland's economy.
(would it be a net benefit?)
9. Ireland will be (almost) the only EU country outside of Schengen, and Brexit/CTA is a very good argument for Ireland to remain out and avoid some of the migration problems associated with Schengen.
Not sure of the reasoning
10. Ireland / NI will likely develop as a hub for EU / British trade with the opportunity for special economic zones / free trade zones
and this will mean even more jobs on this island.
Why? Were tiny to the UK
11. A free trading Britain unencumbered by the protectionist EU will prosper in the long term. Ireland will benefit from that, just as it has from Britain's economic recovery in the face of a weak Eurozone.

I dont agree

smjm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

From a Scottish independence point of view, 62 per cent of Scots remaining and a narrow overall UK vote to leave is almost exactly what was required to give validity to the prospect of a second referendum.

A second referendum would confirm the first one. Scottish independence when rUK is in the EU is one thing - when rUK is outside the EU is quite another. Scots aren't daft!

Subcomandante Marcos

Border polls in Scotland and N.I. are almost certainties now.

RobertKK

Bloomberg thinks the EU will go hard on the UK to stop the further disintegration of Europe.

Harry Angstrom

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

From a Scottish independence point of view, 62 per cent of Scots remaining and a narrow overall UK vote to leave is almost exactly what was required to give validity to the prospect of a second referendum.

And this time without any threats from the EU or the British PM if there is to be another Scottish independence vote.