Brexit Referendum Superthread

NikoTopps

RT&#201 wrote:

"Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon says the vote "makes clear that the people of Scotland see their future as part of the European Union". All 32 local authority areas there returned majorities for Remain." Highly likely they'll try for another referendum and this time they'll win.

Methinks Nationalism is already brewing....

mansize

RobertKK wrote: »

Bloomberg thinks the EU will go hard on the UK to stop the further disintegration of Europe.

It has to, to save the union.

Spurion

I was a Corbyn supporter but he's been a disaster. Time for him to go along with Cameron.

Mr.Nice Guy

smjm wrote: »

A second referendum would confirm the first one. Scottish independence when rUK is in the EU is one thing - when rUK is outside the EU is quite another. Scots aren't daft!

Not sure about that. If the Scots want to be part of the EU ,as seems likely, then the only chance now is to vote to leave the UK surely?

Anyway I'm going to try and get a few hours of sleep. Night Morning folks.

mansize

Spurion wrote: »

I was a Corbyn supporter but he's been a disaster. Time for him to go along with Cameron.

He was dreadful.

RobertKK

mansize wrote: »

It has to, to save the union.

It is what I was telling leave voters on twitter who wouldn't believe me.
But the EU has to for our own interest.

Harry Angstrom

RobertKK wrote: »

Bloomberg thinks the EU will go hard on the UK to stop the further disintegration of Europe.

I'd like to think that today is the beginning of the end of the European Union, and good riddance to it.

corny

A trading block always made sense to me but bloated bureaucracy and needless, mindless integration for the sake of integration has always irked me. Hopefully the Brits show us the way forward.

ninebeanrows

So what happens EU citizens in the UK now ? I know the Irish etc will be grand but will Eastern Europeans be turfed out?

Infini

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'd like to think that today is the beginning of the end of the European Union, and good riddance to it.

Doubtful. This is a warning shot though. Get your act together and make yourselves relevant or more will go.

laugh

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Not sure about that. If the Scots want to be part of the EU ,as seems likely, then the only chance now is to vote to leave the UK surely?

Anyway I'm going to try and get a few hours of sleep. Night Morning folks.

Not allowing the free movement of people with Scotland in the EU and the rest of Uk out would be fun!

RobertKK

Megan Greene on Bloomberg "This is an existential threat to the EU"

smjm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

Not sure about that. If the Scots want to be part of the EU ,as seems likely, then the only chance now is to vote to leave the UK surely?

The Scots want to be part of an EU that the rUK belongs to as well. That's why the SNP always talked about keeping the Pound, not joining the Euro.

Rjd2

Spurion wrote: »

I was a Corbyn supporter but he's been a disaster. Time for him to go along with Cameron.

He deserves a lot of flack for the loss, he was so enthusiastic when he got his public platforms and the fact is, he simply has not clicked with the core labour working class supporter. This is a massive **** you to him as well. He won't be in charge much longer.

Enzokk

Infini2 wrote: »

Doubtful. This is a warning shot though. Get your act together and make yourselves relevant or more will go.

You would think it would be very bad for Brittain/England&Wales if their vote leads to the change in the EU, but the EU negotiated harshly with the UK for the benefit of the EU. They would be out of the EU and see a changed EU as well.

NikoTopps

Weathercheck wrote: »

So what happens EU citizens in the UK now ? I know the Irish etc will be grand but will Eastern Europeans be turfed out?

Residency permits maybe?

AllGunsBlazing

All the professional pollsters will be lining up to say that this is what their projections actually pointed to all along. Chancers.

RobertKK

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

I'd like to think that today is the beginning of the end of the European Union, and good riddance to it.

It is no coincidence that the longest timeframe for peace in Europe has been during the existence of the EEC/EU.

I would be fearful if the EU fell apart.

Harry Angstrom

Infini2 wrote: »

Doubtful. This is a warning shot though. Get your act together and make yourselves relevant or more will go.

The thing is, if an in/out referendum was put to each "member state", there would be a fair chunk of countries who would vote to leave. It's about time the Eurocrats took their heads out of the sand and acknowledged this.

Enzokk

Also, have UKIP MEPs just voted for unemployment for themselves and are celebrating it? How will they receive their salaries if the EU isn't going to pay it?

laugh

RobertKK wrote: »

It is no coincidence that the longest timeframe for peace in Europe has been during the existence of the EEC/EU.

I would be fearful if the EU fell apart.

Acting as a buffer to Mr Putin.

mansize

smjm wrote: »

The Scots want to be part of an EU that the rUK belongs to as well. That's why the SNP always talked about keeping the Pound, not joining the Euro.

that was only down to the weakness of the Euro.

AllGunsBlazing

RobertKK wrote: »

Bloomberg thinks the EU will go hard on the UK to stop the further disintegration of Europe.

Best of luck to them with that. I think they'll find the Brits a slightly different proposition than ourselves or the Greeks when it comes to intimidation.

Infini

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

The thing is, if an in/out referendum was put to each "member state", there would be a fair chunk of countries who would vote to leave. It's about time the Eurocrats took their heads out of the sand and acknowledged this.

Which is why I would consider this a warning shot because if they dont get their act together eventually the agitation and rejection in those countries will reach a point that they WILL leave if the EU doesnt make itself relevant in the eyes of the people.

laugh

mansize wrote: »

that was only down to the weakness of the Euro.

Edinburgh has the potential to attract city financial services jobs too!

smjm

Weathercheck wrote: »

So what happens EU citizens in the UK now ? I know the Irish etc will be grand but will Eastern Europeans be turfed out?

Absolutely nothing changes in the short-term. For those already in the UK, I personally don't think anything will happen in the longer-term either. It's another reason why the EU won't play tough with the UK. Poland, Spain, Portugal etc don't want hundreds of thousands of their people coming home. Everyone will play nicely. It's the only sensible thing to do!

mansize

smjm wrote: »

Absolutely nothing changes in the short-term. For those already in the UK, I personally don't think anything will happen in the longer-term either. It's another reason why the EU won't play tough with the UK. Poland, Spain, Portugal etc don't want hundreds of thousands of their people coming home. Everyone will play nicely. It's the only sensible thing to do!

Spain has net migration with the UK.

mansize

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Best of luck to them with that. I think they'll find the Brits a slightly different proposition than ourselves or the Greeks when it comes to intimidation.

The Brits don't hold all the cards at all.

Harry Angstrom

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

Best of luck to them with that. I think they'll find the Brits a slightly different proposition than ourselves or the Greeks when it comes to intimidation.

The Brits won't take no shit from anybody, and more power to them for that.

smjm

mansize wrote: »

that was only down to the weakness of the Euro.

If that's your belief, I doubt I could change your mind.