Brexit Referendum Superthread

anothernight

long range shooter wrote: »

So People from Ireland,Pakistan,United states and Germany dont work in UK.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom

Yes, that's exactly what he meant. :rolleyes:

CMOTDibbler

long range shooter wrote: »

So People from Ireland,Pakistan,United states and Germany dont work in UK.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foreign-born_population_of_the_United_Kingdom

And people from the UK work in Ireland, Spain, Germany, France, Portugal, Italy, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

What's your point?

Its dead Jim

smjm wrote: »

Surely only graduates should have been on the pitch anyway. Did anybody check the qualifications of today's team? It's ridiculous to let such an important game be played by players who may not have understood the consequences of losing!

They should have picked a bunch of people at random to play. Sure what good is training.

long range shooter

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

And people from the UK work in Ireland, Spain, Germany, France, Portugal, Italy, USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

What's your point?

No whats your point?you mentioned people from Poland?what about the rest?

Nody

long range shooter wrote: »

So the finance crisis wasnt because of Brussels control over banks and finance institutions?

Brussels had ZERO control of financial institutions since this was a NATIONAL responsibility of each respective central bank. See how the Northern European banks fared a whole lot differently compared to the southern European banks for examples. The only thing controlled by Brussels was the ECB rate for Euro countries which the central banks could easily have countered with higher requirements for capital (they lowered them further instead).

Why did EU tell Norway if you want to be a memebr we want control over yiur oil,gas and fisheries?

Have any facts to back it up beyond your word? EU do require control of fishing areas and fishing quotes as this is part of the EU wide sustainability program; this does not reach to oil, gas or fisheries and is not in place in any other EU country. Hence please do find an official source to back up the rest of your claim because it sounds as pretty much standard scaremongering ala "EU will have borders to Syria" of the Brexit campaign.

long range shooter

Nody wrote: »

Brussels had ZERO control of financial institutions since this was a NATIONAL responsibility of each respective central bank. See how the Northern European banks fared a whole lot differently compared to the southern European banks for examples. The only thing controlled by Brussels was the ECB rate for Euro countries which the central banks could easily have countered with higher requirements for capital (they lowered them further instead).

Have any facts to back it up beyond your word? EU do require control of fishing areas and fishing quotes as this is part of the EU wide sustainability program; this does not reach to oil, gas or fisheries and is not in place in any other EU country. Hence please do find an official source to back up the rest of your claim because it sounds as pretty much standard scaremongering ala "EU will have borders to Syria" of the Brexit campaign.

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36101443
EU wants full control over every countrys finances.Your blind to realise otherwise.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/670513/No-Norway-refuses-bow-EU-bid-control-North-Sea-oil-industry-Brussels

ancapailldorcha

long range shooter wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36101443
EU wants full control over every countrys finances.Your blind to realise otherwise.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/670513/No-Norway-refuses-bow-EU-bid-control-North-Sea-oil-industry-Brussels

Michael Gove and The Express, both strongly pro-Brexit sources. In any case, this would need approval from national parliaments.

long range shooter

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Michael Gove and The Express, both strongly pro-Brexit sources. In any case, this would need approval from national parliaments.

Norway too?

smjm

First call for Juncker to resign. I've been expecting this and think there could be more of the same shortly:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26/brexit-was-junckers-fault-and-he-must-go-says-czech-foreign-mini/

ancapailldorcha

long range shooter wrote: »

Norway too?

The first words of the link were "Norway refuses...."

embraer170

long range shooter wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36101443
EU wants full control over every countrys finances.Your blind to realise otherwise.

Did you actually read the article you linked to, except the quote by Michael Gove?

long range shooter

embraer170 wrote: »

Did you actually read the article you linked to, except the quote by Michael Gove?

I only know why Norway isnt in the EU,thats enough for me

CMOTDibbler

long range shooter wrote: »

No whats your point?you mentioned people from Poland?what about the rest?

Nope. Sorry, you were the one who brought up the Polish people way back when you discussed Polish immigrants to Norway. I appreciate it's tough keeping up with so many posts, but pause a bit and read back the last few pages. It should help.

long range shooter wrote: »

And yes there was a lot of polish in Norway,but more and more are going back,cause many dont get the benfits and work they used to get anymore,cause Norway have a new goverment with stricter rules for immigrants and foreign workers.

Nody

long range shooter wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36101443
EU wants full control over every countrys finances.Your blind to realise otherwise.

You claimed that the finance crisis was because of EU's control over financial institutions; your link is about what EU wants to do AFTER the crisis due to the lack of control. Please find something backing up your claim that EU's control of financial institutions under their control created the financial criss.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/670513/No-Norway-refuses-bow-EU-bid-control-North-Sea-oil-industry-Brussels

Brussels bureaucrats want Norway to introduce EU rules on health, safety and environmental matters relating to the offshore industry, however the oil-rich nation is refusing to bow to the pressure.

The EU and Norway have been in a tug of war for decades, but the disagreement deepened three years ago when Brussels introduced its own directive called Safety of Offshore Oil and Gas Operations Directive.

It was created after the Deepwater Horizon oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico in 2010 as the 28-strong bloc feared for accidents in its own waters.

Until the directive was created, all member states had separate health and safety regulations.

How is it "taking control of your oil, gas and fishery industries" to insist that they fulfill the minimum requirements that are EU wide if they were to join the EU? Taking control implies that they actually decide over who is allowed to drill and who's not; all the above statement is that what ever company chosen in what ever way the Norwegian government has to comply with the minimum rules of EU like any other company in EU, shockers...

long range shooter

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Nope. Sorry, you were the one who brought up the Polish people way back when you discussed Polish immigrants to Norway. I appreciate it's tough keeping up with so many posts, but pause a bit and read back the last few pages. It should help.

reality check bro.nice try though

long range shooter

Nody wrote: »

You claimed that the finance crisis was because of EU's control over financial institutions; your link is about what EU wants to do AFTER the crisis due to the lack of control. Please find something backing up your claim that EU's control of financial institutions under their control created the financial criss.

How is it "taking control of your oil, gas and fishery industries" to insist that they fulfill the minimum requirements that are EU wide if they were to join the EU? Taking control implies that they actually decide over who is allowed to drill and who's not; all the above statement is that what ever company chosen in what ever way the Norwegian government has to comply with the minimum rules of EU like any other company in EU, shockers...

Why isnt Norway and Switzerland in the EU.
and why didnt they sign the treaty of Lisbon.
cause they dont want EU to control their economic policy, monetary policy, foreign policy, budget policy and defense policy to outsiders’ decision-makers

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/European-Union-Why-Norway-and-Switzerland-Never-Signed-the-Treaty-of-Lisbon.-20140907-0038.html

ancapailldorcha

long range shooter wrote: »

reality check bro.nice try though

Please try to post more constructively than this.

CMOTDibbler

long range shooter wrote: »

reality check bro.nice try though

Nice one

Please answer at least one of the questions I asked.

Polo_Mint

long range shooter wrote: »

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36101443
EU wants full control over every countrys finances.Your blind to realise otherwise.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/670513/No-Norway-refuses-bow-EU-bid-control-North-Sea-oil-industry-Brussels

You keep jumping from subject to subject looking for a reason for brexit.

Every corner you turn somebody has an answer for it.

Im not criticizing you in any way. Im just highlighting that brexit has not solved the UKs problems.

99% of the mess made in the UK is from the last 30 years of governments who did not focus on the areas needing support.

Its up to the Government to distribute the cash in each area.

long range shooter

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Nice one

Anytime,whats with the poles again?
lets try again,why poles..?

Suryavarman

long range shooter wrote: »

So the finance crisis wasnt because of Brussels control over banks and finance institutions?

Banking union has only been in place in the last couple of years. Prior to that financial institution regulation was the job of the UK Government and BoE.

Why did EU tell Norway if you want to be a memebr we want control over yiur oil,gas and fisheries?

The EU has a common fisheries policy. It's par for the course of joining the EU. Have you any source to back up your claim that the EU wanted control over oil and gas?

And since poles are the biggest group of workes across EU,offcourse you will see people reacting,cause their cheaper labour.

Poland is the 6th largest population in Europe behind Germany, France, UK, Italy and Spain.

long range shooter

Polo_Mint wrote: »

You keep jumping from subject to subject looking for a reason for brexit.

Every corner you turn somebody has an answer for it.

Im not criticizing you in any way. Im just highlighting that brexit has not solved the UKs problems.

99% of the mess made in the UK is from the last 30 years of governments who did not focus on the areas needing support.

Its up to the Government to distribute the cash in each area.

Try this instead then.
reason for brexit
http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/European-Union-Why-Norway-and-Switzerland-Never-Signed-the-Treaty-of-Lisbon.-20140907-0038.html

long range shooter

Suryavarman wrote: »

Banking union has only been in place in the last couple of years. Prior to that financial institution regulation was the job of the UK Government and BoE.



The EU has a common fisheries policy. It's par for the course of joining the EU. Have you any source to back up your claim that the EU wanted control over oil and gas?



Poland is the 6th largest population in Europe behind Germany, France, UK, Italy and Spain.

Reason for brexit is the same as Norway and Switzerland and they dont want Brussels to control their country.

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/European-Union-Why-Norway-and-Switzerland-Never-Signed-the-Treaty-of-Lisbon.-20140907-0038.html

Suryavarman

long range shooter wrote: »

Why isnt Norway and Switzerland in the EU.
and why didnt they sign the treaty of Lisbon.
cause they dont want EU to control their economic policy, monetary policy, foreign policy, budget policy and defense policy to outsiders’ decision-makers

http://www.telesurtv.net/english/opinion/European-Union-Why-Norway-and-Switzerland-Never-Signed-the-Treaty-of-Lisbon.-20140907-0038.html

The EU doesn't really control any of those things. It has some control over budget policy through the fiscal compact and it controls the monetary policy of Euro countries but the rest of those things are the job of national governments.

long range shooter

Suryavarman wrote: »

The EU doesn't really control any of those things. It has some control over budget policy through the fiscal compact and it controls the monetary policy of Euro countries but the rest of those things are the job of national governments.

How do you know that?

CMOTDibbler

long range shooter wrote: »

Anytime,whats with the poles again?
lets try again,why poles..?

You brought them up. As long ago as 9am this morning. If you've lost the thread of your argument, I'm not surprised, you're all over the place.

My point was that Norway had to pay for EEA membership and had to adopt free movement of people from the EU as well. Both are policies that Brexit was supposed to remove from the UK. If the UK want a Norwegian model, two of the main reasons for leaving the EU are gone.

Nody

long range shooter wrote: »

Reason for brexit is the same as Norway and Switzerland and they dont want Brussels to control their country.

Actually they are not; nor are you making any arguments except linking to articles of other people and when your linked article is refuted you ignore it and jump to another point instead.

• How about instead of trying to google up links you refute the points raised? Why do you claim Brexit is not about immigration when both debates, interviews and posters says differently?
• Why do you claim EU wanted to control the oil, gas and fisheries of Norway when the article you claim proving this only states Norway was told they would need to follow the EU requirements (which applies to any country in EU so joining they would need to follow them, shocker)?
• Why do you claim EU controlled financial institutions caused the financial crisis when it was a national responsibility to control the financial institutions of each respective country?

Suryavarman

long range shooter wrote: »

How do you know that?

Research on the matter. You should try it some time.

long range shooter

Suryavarman wrote: »

Research on the matter. You should try it some time.

You are a politician.,?
you signed the lLisbon treaty..sorry i didnt know that.

ancapailldorcha

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