2016 General Election Waterford

StringerBell

Chiparus wrote: »

I don't think Coffey had any substance behind him, certainly I cannot find out what he did before being elected in 2011 or what education qualifications he had.
Deasy has a real opportunity now as Kenny will be gone. but he may be better to go for CC. That said under secret ballot he may not get elected as I do not believe he is the most popular with his colleagues.

He is practically an outcast in his party, but I bet he would get a lot of FF and SF and plenty of others support in the secret ballot!

The Bowling Alley

taytobreath wrote: »

the water meter fiasco was paudies downfall

Yeah cause that was all his idea. Why wasn't it deasy's downfall?

taytobreath

deasy kept his head low on it, whereas paudies soundbites on it sickened peoples ****e.

Gardner

Sully wrote: »

I had an idea Deasy vote would continue to slide but I don't think anyone expected the plummet. I think that speaks volumes about his candidacy and puts his seat at serious risk going forward (assuming he isn't elected Ceann Comhairle). In his interview, he felt that the Ministerial talk impacted him - of course it did. People want someone who can deliver. You can't deliver if you're not looked at for a decent post or shoved in as Ceann Comhairle. Paudie was a Junior Minister in the final year and a half of his first term in the Dail!

I'd say some within Fianna Fail Waterford are devastated with the result as it greatly impacts on their chances, which they desperately wanted in this election. But overall, a good day for the party in fairness to get such a strong vote in a constituency they have always neglected and ignored. There the reason why Waterford is dubbed "the forgotten City" and why we have seen serious lack of investment in the City including being one of the worst constituency for job creation. But the people gave her a mandate and she's made a lot of commitments so lets see how she does delivering or where she will be at within Fianna Fail.

A good day for Sinn Fein but you would think they would have toppled Fianna Fail completely - they failed in 2011 to take a seat (4th time lucky!) despite the HUGE backlash against the government and while they managed to get past the government candidates this time around, Fianna Fail still hammered them at the polls here. Questions have to be asked as to how they just can't capitalise on the anti-government / establishment sentiment. Not sure I would consider his seat 'Safe' despite the strong vote.

And notably, the very left didn't make any worthwhile dent in the elections. You'd have expected there might be room for them in Waterford. DDI (less than 200 votes!) and PBB (taken out by the Green Party!!) - wiped out.

Interesting times ahead but for Waterford, think it's pretty certain we won't see any real progress or change down here if this plays out the way it's looking!

keep spitting lemons Sully! your deluded just like poor Paudie! Waterford got Paudie out, i think Boards.ie need Sully out!

tomwaterford

Chiparus wrote: »

I don't think Coffey had any substance behind him, certainly I cannot find out what he did before being elected in 2011 or what education qualifications he had.
Deasy has a real opportunity now as Kenny will be gone. but he may be better to go for CC. That said under secret ballot he may not get elected as I do not believe he is the most popular with his colleagues.

Coffey was electrian afaik

Max Powers

News talk were saying this morning that most likely outcome now is fg with Labour and independent support, reckons it could last 2_3 years anyway.the commentator ruled out support of various independents and included John halligan in that,I would hope if he can get a deal on something then he should deal, he's there to do what's best for Waterford so if he can get money for hospital, college, whatever, he ought to.

looksee

No, he (any of them) is not there to do what's best for Waterford, he (or she) is there to do what is best for the country. This should of course include bringing all cities/ towns etc up together but as long as this parochial attitude continues the country will continue to get a broken government.

Max Powers

looksee wrote: »

No, he (any of them) is not there to do what's best for Waterford, he (or she) is there to do what is best for the country. This should of course include bringing all cities/ towns etc up together but as long as this parochial attitude continues the country will continue to get a broken government.

Your right, that's the way it's meant to be but if gets an opportunity to do a deal, he should be thinking about his constituents too.Waterford doesn't have the luxury of a Shane Ross, trying to solve the countries ills when we have such small representation and badly need any/all investment we can get.he does a deal if opp comes up or they move onto deal with the 2 lads in Kerry or the dodgy tax avoider from tipp.we can have all the principles u like but it doesn't come close to the bottom line.

BBM77

looksee wrote: »

No, he (any of them) is not there to do what's best for Waterford, he (or she) is there to do what is best for the country...

I’m open to correction from people more knowledgeable of legal definitions but I don’t think this is the case. I’m pretty sure it’s a TD’s job to represent their constituency. As the constitution says:

“2 1° Dáil Éireann shall be composed of members who represent constituencies determined by law.”

They only have a national role if they become a minister and then must (appear) “do what is best for the country”. So it seems clear to me that if Halligan has a chance to do a deal with FG then he has a certain obligation to do so. I actually believe Halligan is the type of person that any deal would be for something like greater investment in WRH or to upgrade WIT and not just a new road somewhere.

looksee

BBM77 wrote: »

I’m open to correction from people more knowledgeable of legal definitions but I don’t think this is the case. I’m pretty sure it’s a TD’s job to represent their constituency. As the constitution says:

They only have a national role if they become a minister and then must (appear) “do what is best for the country”. So it seems clear to me that if Halligan has a chance to do a deal with FG then he has a certain obligation to do so. I actually believe Halligan is the type of person that any deal would be for something like greater investment in WRH or to upgrade WIT and not just a new road somewhere.

Yes, you are correct, I meant to refer to Ministers and came back correct that. TDs or Ministers though, I still believe it is the first priority of the government to run the country before parochial interests, that is what the local elections are/should be for.

Gael23

Coffey was a Senator from 2007-11. He worked for the ESB before that but I'm not sure what exactly his job was.

Cabaal

Gardner wrote: »

keep spitting lemons Sully! your deluded just like poor Paudie! Waterford got Paudie out, i think Boards.ie need Sully out!

I'd remind you to attack the post, NOT the poster. This applys to anybody that posts in this forum.

Chiparus

Gael23 wrote: »

Coffey was a Senator from 2007-11. He worked for the ESB before that but I'm not sure what exactly his job was.

No info on any of the websites. I heard he was an electrician with ESB.

taytobreath

he was an electrician with the esb

floyd333

homolumo wrote: »

The people of Waterford have short memories. Whatever about electing Mary Butler to elect her as poll topper beggars belief.

I cant see why this woman topped the pool. Apart from a couple of years on the council she has no political background.

What has she achieved? What will she do?

Fianna Fáil ran this county into the ground. Their short sighted stupid polices lost us our economic sovereignty.

Another thing that p!sses me off about them is the massive budget they had.

Last week Mary Butler had a full page colour advertisement on the front of Waterford today. Her posters were everywhere. This gives FF and the bigger parties a massive unfair advantage.

Taxburden carrier

floyd333 wrote: »

Fianna Fáil ran this county into the ground. Their short sighted stupid polices lost us our economic sovereignty.

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But that was "Old Fianna Fáil".
"New Fianna Fáil " wouldn't contemplate doing such things to suit their own purposes.

StringerBell

I think they were smart just running one candidate for Waterford, and at that a relative unknown so has no baggage from "old FF" whatever the hell that is meant to be!

There is a huge FF vote in Waterford, for whatever reason, historically and by not diluting it they gave their candidate the best shot at taking a seat here again. In a crazy way they may be thinking to themselves they should have run another candidate here! Ignored by the party during the campaign also, I think the closest they got to the city was the hospital one day wasn't it?

The voting population of Waterford are strange people I guess, punishment votes rather then voting for who you think is best for the job maybe? Same as last time.

Max Powers

StringerBell wrote: »

I think they were smart just running one candidate for Waterford, and at that a relative unknown so has no baggage from "old FF" whatever the hell that is meant to be!

There is a huge FF vote in Waterford, for whatever reason, historically and by not diluting it they gave their candidate the best shot at taking a seat here again. In a crazy way they may be thinking to themselves they should have run another candidate here! Ignored by the party during the campaign also, I think the closest they got to the city was the hospital one day wasn't it?

The voting population of Waterford are strange people I guess, punishment votes rather then voting for who you think is best for the job maybe? Same as last time.

I think you could say the Irish voting population are strange or even stupid as you said voting in protest often rather than best candidate or who could do the best for Waterford. I lost a lot of Faith in the voting population intelligence when they voted against getting rid of the seanad.

Wanderer78

im very sad to see the amount of parish pump politics going on in ireland including this thread. we have to start looking after the country as a whole or we re gonna keep going around in circles. we have to stop thinking, 'whats good for waterford', or wherever.

Royal Legend

Maybe Mary Butler is the best bet for Waterford.

Listening to RTE tonight, Paudie Coffey and Alan Kelly made a big promise last November that there would be temporary houses built for some of the homeless before Christmas
Then Kelly said in January they would be built in February
Guess what, they are still not built. Yet another big PR stunt by FG/Lab all for election purposes.

Above is a really good example of the bull that the last government continued to pull, making promises that they had no intention keeping, or in some instances no idea how to even go about implementing their ideas.
Irish water, install meters at a cost of over 450 million, then decide they can't get them installed by 2016 and then deciding to not use meters until 2022, when by that time some of the meters installed will no longer be viable.

Wanderer78

Royal Legend wrote: »

Maybe Mary Butler is the best bet for Waterford.

Listening to RTE tonight, Paudie Coffey and Alan Kelly made a big promise last November that there would be temporary houses built for some of the homeless before Christmas
Then Kelly said in January they would be built in February
Guess what, they are still not built. Yet another big PR stunt by FG/Lab all for election purposes.

Above is a really good example of the bull that the last government continued to pull, making promises that they had no intention keeping, or in some instances no idea how to even go about implementing their ideas.
Irish water, install meters at a cost of over 450 million, then decide they can't get them installed by 2016 and then deciding to not use meters until 2022, when by that time some of the meters installed will no longer be viable.

old school politics, i.e. lets kick the cans down the road, sure it ll be grand, eventually. errr emm, no it wont! i think all the cans are starting to pop up, not just here in ireland, but across europe and indeed the world. time to make major changes.

Royal Legend

Wanderer78 wrote: »

old school politics, i.e. lets kick the cans down the road, sure it ll be grand, eventually. errr emm, no it wont! i think all the cans are starting to pop up, not just here in ireland, but across europe and indeed the world. time to make major changes.

Unless the system changes we will continue to have to put up with parish pump politics, then electing unqualified people to run our country

A lot of the previous government was made up of doctors, solicitors and teachers.

Now I can understand Doctors being involved in health, or a barrister being involved in legislative matters or justice.

Paudie Coffey worked for the ESB, What experience has he of anything?

A teacher has been running the country for 5 years!!!

And he has spent the last 5 weeks telling us off for not understanding his opinion.

imo there should be tiers of politicians, local, provincial and national. to be qualified locally you can be anyone, to be provincial you need to have a degree/experience in a specialist area and to be a national politician, a masters or a phd in your chosen field, plus experience.

Wanderer78

Royal Legend wrote: »

Unless the system changes we will continue to have to put up with parish pump politics, then electing unqualified people to run our country

A lot of the previous government was made up of doctors, solicitors and teachers.

Now I can understand Doctors being involved in health, or a barrister being involved in legislative matters or justice.

Paudie Coffey worked for the ESB, What experience has he of anything?

A teacher has been running the country for 5 years!!!

And he has spent the last 5 weeks telling us off for not understanding his opinion.

imo there should be tiers of politicians, local, provincial and national. to be qualified locally you can be anyone, to be provincial you need to have a degree/experience in a specialist area and to be a national politician, a masters or a phd in your chosen field, plus experience.

im hoping the current situation forces change as we cant keep going like this. i feel we re going around in circles and our country is suffering badly because of it.

id have to disagree about a teacher running, the country, hes a politician and a bad one at that. its been a long time since hes been working in a classroom. we need a new style of politics, new young blood required, that approaches things differently.

'the recovery' has been one of the most insulting things ive ever heard coming from politicians. theres a massive disconnect going on there between some of our politicians and the general public.

you have some interesting ideas though. i have a reasonably large amount of experience in our educational system and can see where you're coming from with qualifications but ive come to realise theres some fundamental problems within our educational system as well. some people ive met throughout my life have far better life experiences and far more intelligence than some ive met that have all the bells and whistles in qualifications so i wouldnt discount those that dont have the pieces of paper. we just need some intelligence in our political system. its a very complicated problem but interesting to watch.

Royal Legend

Wanderer78 wrote: »

im hoping the current situation forces change as we cant keep going like this. i feel we re going around in circles and our country is suffering badly because of it.

id have to disagree about a teacher running, the country, hes a politician and a bad one at that. its been a long time since hes been working in a classroom. we need a new style of politics, new young blood required, that approaches things differently.

'the recovery' has been one of the most insulting things ive ever heard coming from politicians. theres a massive disconnect going on there between some of our politicians and the general public.

you have some interesting ideas though. i have a reasonably large amount of experience in our educational system and can see where you're coming from with qualifications but ive come to realise theres some fundamental problems within our educational system as well. some people ive met throughout my life have far better life experiences and far more intelligence than some ive met that have all the bells and whistles in qualifications so i wouldnt discount those that dont have the pieces of paper. we just need some intelligence in our political system. its a very complicated problem but interesting to watch.

Would not have done much at school myself, worked hard all my life to get to a good place now, went back to college and got a degree only a couple of years ago, on a cycle of continuous learning in my own time, whenever and wherever I can.
Agree also with you that just because you have qualifications it makes you qualified, you need life experience as well.

The Bowling Alley

Mary Butler is a puppet with Brendan Kenneally as puppet master. That's what topped the poll in Waterford.

StringerBell

They say 99 Td's in total have been elected who are signed up to the abolition of Irish Water nationally now all the votes have been counted, hard to see it surviving in its current incarnation.

Cabaal

Royal Legend wrote: »

Unless the system changes we will continue to have to put up with parish pump politics, then electing unqualified people to run our country

So what makes somebody qualified to run a country exactly?
How for example is anyone in the AAA or SF versus anyone in say FG or FF more qualified?

A lot of the previous government was made up of doctors, solicitors and teachers.

So the same setup that applys in numerous countrys throughout the world...right so.

A teacher has been running the country for 5 years!!!

What do you suggest as an alternative, do people do a "I want to be president" course in college? :P

Manuel Valls is prime minister of France right now, he's never worked outside of politics from what I can see. You could argue this makes him detached from the avg Joe in the country.

Justin Trudeau is Prime minister of Canada, he's pretty well liked but he used to be a teacher, earned a BA in English literature and studied engineering, and began a master's degree in Environmental Geography. His dad used to be a former prime minister. What makes him qualified?

AdMMM

The Bowling Alley wrote: »

Mary Butler is a puppet with Brendan Kenneally as puppet master. That's what topped the poll in Waterford.

Surely the Kenneally family name and influence is in ruin thanks to the pedophilia?

tomwaterford

AdMMM wrote: »

Surely the Kenneally family name and influence is in ruin thanks to the pedophilia?

Slightly bad form from to lump him in with the brother (???) when there's no info/suggestion he was up to it

Chiparus

tomwaterford wrote: »

Slightly bad form from to lump him in with the brother (???) when there's no info/suggestion he was up to it

Has not stopped FG lumping gerry adams in with his brother.