2016 General Election Waterford

O Riain

Sully wrote: »

Credit where credit is due to Halligan. Despite the hassle he is getting, he has the government by the short and curlies and has a lot more power than others because he has a real negotiating position. The Jr Minister is there to sweeten the deal, no doubt. If he has the power to get results, than I say leave him at it.

We now wait and see what happens next.

Good to see you acknowledge that Sully, i know you've been accused in the past of being too pro Fine Gael but credit to Halligan, he has pulled a rabbit out of a hat here and needs to be acknowledged. Can't believe some people are moaning despite what he may achieve.

Gael23

I'm not convinced the government will last long enough for him to achieve all his aims. If that's the case he'll lose his seat next time but if it does work out him he'll be regarded as king in Waterford.

Wanderer78

Gael23 wrote: »

I'm not convinced the government will last long enough for him to achieve all his aims. If that's the case he'll lose his seat next time but if it does work out him he'll be regarded as king in Waterford.

risky move but credit to him. we have to start taking risks in this country in order to deal with our issues

Max Powers

O Riain wrote: »

Good to see you acknowledge that Sully, i know you've been accused in the past of being too pro Fine Gael but credit to Halligan, he has pulled a rabbit out of a hat here and needs to be acknowledged. Can't believe some people are moaning despite what he may achieve.

I think people giving him hassle or morons,I can't believe he is even getting hassle, he saw opportunity to get something for Waterford and looks like he did, exactly what you expect independent to do.

Johnboy1951

Halligan has played the game very well to date ...... but he has nothing concrete as yet.
There is a lot to be done to bring any of these to fruition.

I hope he (and the gov) last long enough to implement them.

Wanderer78

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Halligan has played the game very well to date ...... but he has nothing concrete as yet.
There is a lot to be done to bring any of these to fruition.

I hope he (and the gov) last long enough to implement them.

my gut is telling me its already doomed im afraid. cant believe we re still talking about water!

Jamie2k9

John Halligan is a bit of an arrogant p*ick.

http://www.wlrfm.com/news/local/94032-john-halligan-says-he-will-resign-if-shane-ross-leaves-office.html

Aquos76

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

John Halligan is a bit of an arrogant p*ick.

http://www.wlrfm.com/news/local/94032-john-halligan-says-he-will-resign-if-shane-ross-leaves-office.html

Yeah, he'll resign if his mate gets shafted in government but the people who voted him in are being shafted over this 24/7 cardiac care issue and he has threatened to walk atleast twice over this, yet he's still there.

Chiparus

Aquos76 wrote: »

Yeah, he'll resign if his mate gets shafted in government but the people who voted him in are being shafted over this 24/7 cardiac care issue and he has threatened to walk atleast twice over this, yet he's still there.

He has done more for the city than the FG TD.

Johnboy1951

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Halligan has played the game very well to date ...... but he has nothing concrete as yet.
There is a lot to be done to bring any of these to fruition.

I hope he (and the gov) last long enough to implement them.

Well it seems my optimism was misplaced.

He has now been seriously marginalised with little benefit gained.

Roanmore

Aquos76 wrote: »

Yeah, he'll resign if his mate gets shafted in government but the people who voted him in are being shafted over this 24/7 cardiac care issue and he has threatened to walk atleast twice over this, yet he's still there.

Was out of the country, what did Shane Ross do to get kicked out of Government or is this just a hypothetical situation?

Aquos76

Chiparus wrote: »

He has done more for the city than the FG TD.

Without defending the in defendable, what has John Halloran actually done to date?

robtri

Aquos76 wrote: »

Without defending the in defendable, what has John Halloran actually done to date?

gotten a lovely pay check and made some great friends, so I am sure he will always be looked after...

out for Number 1.... thats all...

what have any of them done!!!!!

MRnotlob606

I am still rather incensed we elected Mary Butler, for a couple of reasons. Fianna Fáil wrecked this country. Mary Butler was received the most votes. She is a rural TD who was virtually unheard of in the city. It made more sense to elect someone like Eddie Mulligan, but I guess this gender quota thing got Fianna Fáil rummaging to find a female candidate in Waterford.

Johnboy1951

Roanmore wrote: »

Was out of the country, what did Shane Ross do to get kicked out of Government or is this just a hypothetical situation?

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/shane-ross-left-outraged-after-cabinet-row-with-taoiseach-432090.html

Deiseen

It's all a bit fair enough no?

People here complain and complain about how TDs have to follow the party whip and cannot vote freely on issues. Yet here they are criticising Halligan for standing up for his right to vote freely?

On top of that, he is in a party (or whatever you would call it) with Ross. If he lost Ross then his influence would be almost next to zero, so he needs to stand by him.

Roanmore

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/shane-ross-left-outraged-after-cabinet-row-with-taoiseach-432090.html

Thanks.

That article is from Nov 24th though, over a month, thought something new had come up.

Deiseen

Did we go wrong by voting out Coffey? IDA visits to Waterford dropped from 31 last year to 15 this year.

Hard to put a finger on why that was but the most obvious one would be the loss of an individual who was putting the pressure on for Waterford.

Either way, it's a 100% reduction which has happened under the watch of deasy, butler, cullinane and Halligan. Shame on the lot of them.

Max Powers

Deiseen wrote: »

Did we go wrong by voting out Coffey? IDA visits to Waterford dropped from 31 last year to 15 this year.

Hard to put a finger on why that was but the most obvious one would be the loss of an individual who was putting the pressure on for Waterford.

Either way, it's a 100% reduction which has happened under the watch of deasy, butler, cullinane and Halligan. Shame on the lot of them.

Yes it was a mistake, moronic to vote out our most senior politician especially when they were gonna be in govt.
Kept in deasy who is politically dead because morons think table bangers make good politicians.halligan another example, has achieved zero for us.

Deiseen

Max Powers wrote: »

Yes it was a mistake, moronic to vote out our most senior politician especially when they were gonna be in govt.
Kept in deasy who is politically dead because morons think table bangers make good politicians.halligan another example, has achieved zero for us.

Deasy is some man to keep his seat. I reckon he will be the first TD to be posthumously re-elected. He may not even be alive at this stage for all the good he is doing.

JeffKenna

Max Powers wrote: »

Yes it was a mistake, moronic to vote out our most senior politician especially when they were gonna be in govt.
Kept in deasy who is politically dead because morons think table bangers make good politicians.halligan another example, has achieved zero for us.

What did Coffey actually achieve?

Sully

I think we're seeing the benefits and how much work gets done in a free for all government held up by random Independents, some of whom have made such a name in opposition for themselves as huge potential (Ross. It's now a case of, Ross who?).

Zero.

Utter disaster of a government.

Max Powers

JeffKenna wrote: »

What did Coffey actually achieve?

A fair bit, I'm not repeating out again, its covered elsewhere but in general, look at a lot of positives started, finished or progress in last few years.some on here say nothing to do with him probably unfair or deluded.

Deiseen

Max Powers wrote: »

A fair bit, I'm not repeating out again, its covered elsewhere but in general, look at a lot of positives started, finished or progress in last few years.some on here say nothing to do with him probably unfair or deluded.

The problem with Coffey was that when Waterford was getting hit with various things, there wasn't a peep out of him. He might have been doing stuff behind the scenes but you have to be SEEN to at least look like you give a crap. Deasy on the other hand doesn't seem to do anything but will say what needs to be said, and gets voted in every year for it.

Max Powers

Deiseen wrote: »

The problem with Coffey was that when Waterford was getting hit with various things, there wasn't a peep out of him. He might have been doing stuff behind the scenes but you have to be SEEN to at least look like you give a crap. Deasy on the other hand doesn't seem to do anything but will say what needs to be said, and gets voted in every year for it.

I think you are wrong on one point, Coffey was out on the radio etc pushing that he's working and talking to the people that matter, and it was true, increased IDA visits, regional manager appointed, action plan.now you could say that was all someone else and look no one says he was 100% responsible for those but to say uninvolved, not realistic.
Anyway, back on track...IMO problem is Irish people can be stupid when voting, love a table banger, crook, liers, etc etc and can't see just because a lad isn't being escorted out of the dail, that that doesn't mean he is not doing what he should be.

JeffKenna

Max Powers wrote: »

I think you are wrong on one point, Coffey was out on the radio etc pushing that he's working and talking to the people that matter, and it was true, increased IDA visits, regional manager appointed, action plan.now you could say that was all someone else and look no one says he was 100% responsible for those but to say uninvolved, not realistic.
Anyway, back on track...IMO problem is Irish people can be stupid when voting, love a table banger, crook, liers, etc etc and can't see just because a lad isn't being escorted out of the dail, that that doesn't mean he is not doing what he should be.

Unfortunately Coffey wasn't up to the mark and got found out. He achieved increased IDA visits, an action plan and was on the radio a lot.....laughable.

Deiseen

Max Powers wrote: »

I think you are wrong on one point, Coffey was out on the radio etc pushing that he's working and talking to the people that matter, and it was true, increased IDA visits, regional manager appointed, action plan.now you could say that was all someone else and look no one says he was 100% responsible for those but to say uninvolved, not realistic.
Anyway, back on track...IMO problem is Irish people can be stupid when voting, love a table banger, crook, liers, etc etc and can't see just because a lad isn't being escorted out of the dail, that that doesn't mean he is not doing what he should be.

Coffey was very vocal on what he was doing, I never said he wasn't. The problem was he never mouthed anything about things that would affect Waterford negatively. That's every bit as important and I think this is where he slipped up.

Deiseen

JeffKenna wrote: »

Unfortunately Coffey wasn't up to the mark and got found out. He achieved increased IDA visits, an action plan and was on the radio a lot.....laughable.

Time will tell but it looks like a lot of the good stuff happening in Waterford could be attributed in some form, to Coffey. Nothing happens over night and if you think a politician can wave a magic wand in two years then you are a fool. I was critical of Coffey but IDA visits were well up and foundations were being laid. IDA visits this year are WAY down and I'm worried that we've made a bad decision on this one.

Max Powers

JeffKenna wrote: »

Unfortunately Coffey wasn't up to the mark and got found out. He achieved increased IDA visits, an action plan and was on the radio a lot.....laughable.

It's this militant , unbalanced,dismissive opinion which is part of the problem, people ignoring the good stuff achieved, not going into all of them but courthouse, fire station, north quays and other stuff but it suits others just to say he was 'found out' which means nothing.

robtri

ehhhhh how was Coffey responsible for IDA increased visits?????
what did he actually do to make more visits??