Flightradar24 Thread Part III

space2ground1

Interesting to see the pics going around of the monarch aircraft parked up in Shannon. Is it a common place for aircraft storage? What’s the likely destination for those planes in particular? Monarch must have had quite a few.

Cloudio9

space2ground1 wrote: »

Interesting to see the pics going around of the monarch aircraft parked up in Shannon. Is it a common place for aircraft storage? What’s the likely destination for those planes in particular? Monarch must have had quite a few.

It’s because they’re leased from leasing companies based in ireland.

When spanair and malev went bust there was loads of their planes parked up in Dublin. Probably not enough space in Dublin anymore.

Won’t be long before they’re on their way to new homes.

BZ

Cloudio9 wrote: »

It’s because they’re leased from leasing companies based in ireland.

When spanair and malev went bust there was loads of their planes parked up in Dublin. Probably not enough space in Dublin anymore.

Won’t be long before they’re on their way to new homes.

The other big factor is the price of parking these birds is a lot cheaper in Shannon than Dublin.

marno21

EI-CBK returning to Dublin after operating the usual EI3408 evening DUB-CFN flight.

Another issue?

JCX BXC

marno21 wrote: »

EI-CBK returning to Dublin after operating the usual EI3408 evening DUB-CFN flight.

Another issue?

Seems to be a normal thing of a Saturday evening, Sundays schedule doesn't demand an aircraft to be in Donegal until 11:30. Doesn't seem particularly economical though.

marno21

JCX BXC wrote: »

Seems to be a normal thing of a Saturday evening, Sundays schedule doesn't demand an aircraft to be in Donegal until 11:30. Doesn't seem particularly economical though.

10:30 - FlightRadar hasn't taken account of the time changing tonight yet.

Seems surprising alright.

JCX BXC

marno21 wrote: »

10:30 - FlightRadar hasn't taken account of the time changing tonight yet.

Seems surprising alright.

Ah 10:30, had forgotten about the change! It's strange rotating alright, seems that EI-EHH should be going there tomorrow, let's see if I'm right!

JCX BXC

BE653 (BEE8GW) BHX-NOC holding at NOC at 12,000ft and BE655 (BEE3VM) EDI-NOC about to enter the hold at 13,000ft at NOC due to fog.

Current IRVR's are
Threshold: 250m
Midpoint: 225m
Stopend: 250m

They need either 300m or 550m of an IRVR at the threshold, depending on whether they're CAT II or CAT I.

Update 13:47, EI911 (EIN91W) LGW-NOC joining the hold at 20,000ft. No improvement in IRVR's

Locker10a

JCX BXC wrote: »

BE653 (BEE8GW) BHX-NOC holding at NOC at 12,000ft and BE655 (BEE3VM) EDI-NOC about to enter the hold at 13,000ft at NOC due to fog.

Current IRVR's are
Threshold: 250m
Midpoint: 225m
Stopend: 250m

They need either 300m or 550m of an IRVR at the threshold, depending on whether they're CAT II or CAT I.

Update 13:47, EI911 (EIN91W) LGW-NOC joining the hold at 20,000ft. No improvement in IRVR's

The flybe has been holding for a long time! Hate to be pax on that flight. Any sight of improvement

JCX BXC

Locker10a wrote: »

The flybe has been holding for a long time! Hate to be pax on that flight. Any sight of improvement

No improvement, the first of the flybes from BHX had just requested a diversion from DUB.

Second Flybe from EDI diverting to SNN.

marno21

Seems to be a receiver out of action at Dublin Airport today - very poor ground coverage on FR24.

marno21

Delta's latest addition to its fleet, A359 N503DN over Cork at the minute

Oscar Bravo

EI-CBK currently in the hold at Carrickfinn due to Fog.

kub

Does anyone know about an incident at Cork airport earlier this afternoon, apparently an EI flight took off and had to return due to smoke in the cock pit?

Wanderer78

kub wrote: »

Does anyone know about an incident at Cork airport earlier this afternoon, apparently an EI flight took off and had to return due to smoke in the cock pit?

surprised it hasnt been mentioned on this forum yet

https://www.rte.ie/news/munster/2017/1102/917034-cork-flight/

Tazio

yup saw that alright.... ?? wonder what was up? (Hopefully just a dodgy tablet/laptop battery)

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/EIN712/history/20171102/1150Z/EICK/EICK

Tazio

Tazio wrote: »

yup saw that alright.... ?? wonder what was up?

http://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/EIN712/history/20171102/1150Z/EICK/EICK

Crew had assessed the situation and said deboard via stairs, it appears some guests decided to leave via the overwing smoking section

devnull

Deleted User wrote: »

Crew had assessed the situation and said deboard via stairs, it appears some guests decided to leave via the overwing smoking section

Friend of mine was on EI710 out of Cork which was due to leave Cork at 7:30am but did not take off until after 8:30 and was told it was due to operational reasons which was the same aircraft.

kub

Did one also on a flight from Amsterdam to Cork, a few weeks ago, had to land at Cardiff due to smoke or something like that?

This was EI-GAL ex Aeroflot I believe

PukkaStukka

kub wrote: »

Did one also on a flight from Amsterdam to Cork, a few weeks ago, had to land at Cardiff due to smoke or something like that?

Different a/c on that occasion, EI-DEM

Locker10a

Major f@ck up with that EI flight with the slides blown.
Either the Captain or Crew failed to give clear information to the passengers that the situation was under control and they would disembark normally or some of the overwing pax were either extremely ignorant or panicked and decided they know best and initiated an evacuation, which itself can cause serious injuries. Using those slides, while fun can be dangerous.

NH2013

Execptionally dangerous and reckless behaviour using the slides when not instructed to by crew if that was the case as it looks to be, there have been cases in the past of ground crew being killed by unintentionally inflated slides or passengers killed after being ingested into the engines by evacuating onto the wing before the crew instructed that it was safe to evacuate.

kub

Is there any chance that these prize idiots cam be prosecuted or fined for this?

PukkaStukka

Before passing judgment on why the over wing doors were popped and by whom, none of us know the circumstances prevailing inside the cabin up to and including the moment this happened. It was an emergency situation, the aircraft had returned and fire engines were alongside. There could have been smoke and distress inside and instructions may have been misunderstood.

cml387

Extensive studies after the Manchester air disaster found that passengers can either flee, or get stuck in a sort of trance. Needless to say those who flee survived.
It's a bit premature to blame the pax, who may have heard the words "evacuate" and not the bit about the doors.
Given that it was a scheduled flight with probably a large proportion of experienced passengers, and maybe smoke visible, some might behave proactively.
I speak as someone who has been on board an emergency return, and everyone did stay calm, but the cabin was completely clear of any smoke and there was no apparent panic.

NH2013

cml387 wrote: »

Given that it was a scheduled flight with probably a large proportion of experienced passengers, and maybe smoke visible, some might behave proactively.

The problem lies with the fact that "Proactive" can often be exceptionally dangerous. Passengers are in a very poor position to asses the situation when compared to the crew and in particular the Flight Crew who will have the most information available, will have all the instuments and sensors in front of them and will likely be in conversation with fire services outside the aircraft, and be best placed to decide if it is safer to get off straight away and evacuate, or take a more conservative approach and disembark via steps. We'd all be reading a very different story tonight if one or more passengers was killed by ingestion into the engine or badly burned/killed by the exhaust from the engines.

Take for example the Qantas flight QF32 which lost an engine and returned to land, only to be unable to shut down an engine as the control cables had been severed by the engine failure, had passengers evacuated onto the wing in that case, (instead of obeying crew instructions and remaining seated), they likely could have been severely injured or killed by the engine exhaust/intake.

While absolutely in certain circumstances, an immediate evacuation may be the safest solution, doing so without instruction from the crew has and will get people killed or badly injured.

PukkaStukka

This photo is in the RTE website. The first officers window is wide open too, and I doubt it was from him (or her) hanging out of it roaring at pax to get off the wing and back inside the cabin....



Also the slides appear attached to the anchor points on the wing, so again - perhaps - this happened in foot of an instruction...

FrancieBrady

Would it not be extremely dangerous to criminalise somebody who panicked?

Draconian and counterproductive IMO.

PukkaStukka

Report from Irish examiner which includes video

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/plane-directed-back-to-cork-airport-after-smoke-discoved-on-board-812457.html