Flightradar24 Thread Part III

kub

If this was a crew instruction, i imagine time is essential. So how come the plane is positioned on the apron ?
Where did the time come from for the plane to taxi into that position.

Fred Swanson

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Mech1

kub wrote: »

If this was a crew instruction, i imagine time is essential. So how come the plane is positioned on the apron ?
Where did the time come from for the plane to taxi into that position.

Situations can change, sometimes very quickly and unexpectedly.

Wanderer78

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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being the aviation industry, it probably isnt that cheap

AGC

Over wing doors are also off and thrown in same position on the captains side of the aircraft. Is it definitely pax on the wing?

PukkaStukka

kub wrote: »

If this was a crew instruction, i imagine time is essential. So how come the plane is positioned on the apron ?
Where did the time come from for the plane to taxi into that position.

Could be after parking that smoke was observed and an order to to evacuate was made. But this is just speculation. Let's await more info...

zetalambda

Locker10a wrote: »

Major f@ck up with that EI flight with the slides blown.
Either the Captain or Crew failed to give clear information to the passengers that the situation was under control and they would disembark normally or some of the overwing pax were either extremely ignorant or panicked and decided they know best and initiated an evacuation, which itself can cause serious injuries. Using those slides, while fun can be dangerous.

Not a major fuck up at all unless you call self preservation a major fuck up. Based on the statement from one of the passengers, Captain only told them they were returning due to technical issue obviously not wanting to panic everyone on board. Same person said passengers were relatively calm but that they didn't expect to see all the emergency vehicles and only thought something serious was wrong on seeing these on approach. After landing, Captain told everyone to leave their bags and evacuate the plane. I know if I was sitting at one of those emergency exits and considering the situation, I would have been straight out and down the shoot too!

Mebuntu

Curious to know why the slides were not disarmed with the aircraft already on stand and (assuming) no intent by crew to evacuate via slides which appears to be the opinion here.

Locker10a

Overwing exit slids are permanently armed. They can be disarmed using a small lever under the plastic cover on the handle of the hatch but Cabin Crew wouldn’t be going there every time to arm/disarm overwing exits.

Locker10a

zetalambda wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

Major f@ck up with that EI flight with the slides blown.
Either the Captain or Crew failed to give clear information to the passengers that the situation was under control and they would disembark normally or some of the overwing pax were either extremely ignorant or panicked and decided they know best and initiated an evacuation, which itself can cause serious injuries. Using those slides, while fun can be dangerous.

Not a major fuck up at all unless you call self preservation a major fuck up. Based on the statement from one of the passengers, Captain only told them they were returning due to technical issue obviously not wanting to panic everyone on board. Same person said passengers were relatively calm but that they didn't expect to see all the emergency vehicles and only thought something serious was wrong on seeing these on approach. After landing, Captain told everyone to leave their bags and evacuate the plane. I know if I was sitting at one of those emergency exits and considering the situation, I would have been straight out and down the shoot too!

I find it very strange that passengers who opened the over wing exits were directed back inside the cabin and down the stairs, which had been attached as the aircraft was parked at a gate! So someone wasn’t paying attention to the Captins instruction OR the captain didn’t give very clear instructions. Either way it seems the slides were not intended to be used hence why it’s a f@ck up in my opinion.
Sounds to me like the captain ordered a rapid disembarkation once steps were attatched. This is NOT an evacuation. Evacuations are for catastrophic incidents.
Communication either failed here or exit row passengers may have jumped the gun.
But I’m sure we wil find out in time

Cloudio9

Av herald reporting smoke both in cabin and cockpit https://avherald.com/h?article=4b080e93&opt=0

Mebuntu

Another question.

In a "smoke" situation does the CC brief the passengers in the exit rows before landing? Would they actually tell them that if they hear an instruction to "evacuate" over the airwaves they should immediately open the doors and get out?

zetalambda

Locker10a wrote: »

I find it very strange that passengers who opened the over wing exits were directed back inside the cabin and down the stairs, which had been attached as the aircraft was parked at a gate! So someone wasn’t paying attention to the Captins instruction OR the captain didn’t give very clear instructions. Either way it seems the slides were not intended to be used hence why it’s a f@ck up in my opinion.
Sounds to me like the captain ordered a rapid disembarkation once steps were attatched. This is NOT an evacuation. Evacuations are for catastrophic incidents.
Communication either failed here or exit row passengers may have jumped the gun.
But I’m sure we wil find out in time

Passenger Barry O’Sullivan told Cork’s Red FM: “Once we got on to the ground the captain came on the tannoy to say ‘evacuate immediately please and leave bags after you’.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/aer-lingus-plane-forced-to-make-emergency-landing-in-cork-1.3278267

Mebuntu wrote: »

Another question.

In a "smoke" situation does the CC brief the passengers in the exit rows before landing? Would they actually tell them that if they hear an instruction to "evacuate" over the airwaves they should immediately open the doors and get out?

Yeah, I would have thought too that those sitting by the exits would have been briefed on the procedure and maybe just went ahead with it regardless. Imagine you've just landed after an emergency and they're telling you to please disembark patiently! Imagine how panicked you'd feel in this situation if you're half way down or at the back of the plane. Fuck the Captain and fuck Aerlingus is what i'd be thinking.

Mebuntu

10pm. There are four Flybe's circling over SOU and IOW having had 2 x Go-arounds each so far. One is from DUB.

JCX BXC

Mebuntu wrote: »

10pm. There are four Flybe's circling over SOU and IOW having had 2 x Go-arounds each so far. One is from DUB.

Low visibility.

PukkaStukka

Aer Lingus EI592 Dub - Madrid is squawking the 7's and appears to be heading for Bordeaux. Not a good 24 hours for our beloved Shamrock


Edit: landed in Bordeaux, hopefully nothing too serious.

LiamaDelta

Anyone know if LVP's are in place at LHR at the moment? My flight this afternoon is already showing as delayed Think the same happened yesterday but they recovered as the fog cleared early

Locker10a

zetalambda wrote: »

Locker10a wrote: »

. Imagine you've just landed after an emergency and they're telling you to please disembark patiently! Imagine how panicked you'd feel in this situation if you're half way down or at the back of the plane. Fuck the Captain and fuck Aerlingus is what i'd be thinking.

Im sorry but that’s a very dangerous attitude to have. The captain and crew are employed and trained to make decisions on these situations. They have more information, knowledge and insight to what’s going on and if they ask you to disembark patiently then that’s exactly what you should do. Because the captain has obviously deemed it safe to do that.
Panicking and making your own decisions to f@ck everyone else and what they say is a lethal attitude to have. You could end up in much more danger.
Remember the Hudson crash? The flight attendant elected NOT to open the doors at the rear of the cabin as she considered the water level outside was too high. She directed passengers toward the front of the cabin. One man physically pushed her out of the way and opened one of the back doors. Thank god everyone got out ok but that could have potentially lead to the aircraft flooding much faster and been fatal.

JCX BXC

LiamaDelta wrote: »

Anyone know if LVP's are in place at LHR at the moment? My flight this afternoon is already showing as delayed Think the same happened yesterday but they recovered as the fog cleared early

They most certainly are in place at the moment yes, currently 200m visibility, however should improve soon.

JCX BXC

Locker10a wrote: »

Im sorry but that’s a very dangerous attitude to have. The captain and crew are employed and trained to make decisions on these situations. They have more information, knowledge and insight to what’s going on and if they ask you to disembark patiently then that’s exactly what you should do. Because the captain has obviously deemed it safe to do that.
Panicking and making your own decisions to f@ck everyone else and what they say is a lethal attitude to have. You could end up in much more danger.
Remember the Hudson crash? The flight attendant elected NOT to open the doors at the rear of the cabin as she considered the water level outside was too high. She directed passengers toward the front of the cabin. One man physically pushed her out of the way and opened one of the back doors. Thank god everyone got out ok but that could have potentially lead to the aircraft flooding much faster and been fatal.

I'd have to agree, there's many people injured during an evacuation down slides, which is one of the reasons why I understand that they don't issue an evacuation order with ease. These passengers probably put themselves in more danger by opening the slides, than if they simply followed instructions by the trained flight crew.

Mebuntu

JCX BXC wrote: »

than if they simply followed instructions by the trained flight crew.

I'm being devil's advocate here but maybe they were or thought they were.

Looking at the video/photos the overwing doors were removed on both sides of the aircraft so more than one person made a decision.

If they had been briefed by the CC to open the doors if an announcement was made to evacuate they would have been waiting, at the ready, to go. I read in one of the newspaper reports that a passenger said that the Captain gave the instruction to "leave all bags and evacuate". I don't think it would be unreasonable to believe, hyped up as they would have been, that meant they should open the doors.

JCX BXC

Just going on what I've heard that it was an unordered evacuation, the fact that they had sufficient time to attach stairs to the back and front of the aircraft and that it looks alot like people on the wings actually waited to get back into the aircraft, I'd wager that there was no order to evacuate given. It seems more like someone jumped the gun sitting at the emergency doors and it led to a chain reaction. However we don't know for definite!

Mebuntu

PukkaStukka wrote: »

Aer Lingus EI592 Dub - Madrid is squawking the 7's and appears to be heading for Bordeaux. Not a good 24 hours for our beloved Shamrock
Edit: landed in Bordeaux, hopefully nothing too serious.

Now on its way again to MAD so can't have been too serious. Maybe medical.

Mebuntu

JCX BXC wrote: »

Just going on what I've heard that it was an unordered evacuation, the fact that they had sufficient time to attach stairs to the back and front of the aircraft and that it looks a lot like people on the wings actually waited to get back into the aircraft, I'd wager that there was no order to evacuate given. It seems more like someone jumped the gun sitting at the emergency doors and it led to a chain reaction. However we don't know for definite!

The stairs may have been attached after the wing doors had been opened.

I think it all boils down to what, if anything, was said by way of announcement. If the word "evacuate" was actually used then no blame should attach to the door-openers. They will have been thinking, "the others are depending on me to open these doors and the possible consequences if I don't".

Hopefully, someone who was on board will come on here and tell us! Better still people usually have their phones recording events on board

Mebuntu

Mebuntu wrote: »

Now on its way again to MAD so can't have been too serious. Maybe medical.

There was something about this on the RTE Radio news at noon. Unfortunately, it was as Gaeilge and all those years were wasted on me!!

smurfjed

Fred Swanson wrote: »

Is it big money to replace the slides and overwing windows?

I expect that the overwing windows will just be put back into their slots again, the slides are expensive but generally they will be sent away to be repacked rather than replaced.
The cockpit CVR should have the Captains announcement, it will be interesting to hear what he actually said and compare it to what people think he said.
btw, the slides are replaceable, lives are not.

ED E

Just watched OY-SRL pass over on approach to DUB. Is it for specialist cargo perhaps?

faoiarvok

ED E wrote: »

Just watched OY-SRL pass over on approach to DUB. Is it for specialist cargo perhaps?

Is it the regular Star Air flight? Nightly possibly?

JCX BXC

ED E wrote: »

Just watched OY-SRL pass over on approach to DUB. Is it for specialist cargo perhaps?

As above, it's the weeknightly cargo service that routes SNN-DUB-CGN.

john boye

Noticed the Norwegian EDI-PVD diverting into Dublin earlier, anyone any idea why? Think it took off again a little after.