Flightradar24 Thread Part III

GBX

EchoIndia wrote: »

RAF Hurricane PZ865 airborne from the Isle of Man and now tracking across the Island. The BBMF website says that it is to display at Rhyl today so I'm not sure why it's at the IOM.

Classic TT races on this week and festival at Jurby. Just seen video on fbook

Pat Dunne

EchoIndia wrote: »

RAF Hurricane PZ865 airborne from the Isle of Man and now tracking across the Island. The BBMF website says that it is to display at Rhyl today so I'm not sure why it's at the IOM.

GBX wrote: »

Classic TT races on this week and festival at Jurby. Just seen video on fbook

Manx Grand Prix what an event, much more relaxed than the TT in June. Well if you call lapping the 34 mile Mountain Course at a 115mph +, average speed relaxing . The BBMF have been regular visitors over many years, lovely to see and listen too.

The Red Arrows are also regular visitors to the TT in June, when the lads on the ground are lapping at 130mph + :eek:

JCX BXC

FR4997 (BGY-NOC) and AF5363 (LDE-NOC) holding at NOC.

Trampas

Lh425 diverted to Dublin. Plenty of ground vehicles around it.

rushfan

Trampas wrote:

Lh425 diverted to Dublin. Plenty of ground vehicles around it.

Medical emergency.

JCX BXC

LH414 MUC-IAD inbound DUB now too.

Oscar Bravo

AN 124 about to cross over the country eastbound, should coast in just south of Galway.

browner85

Fr1949 go around at Dub

arubex

rushfan wrote: »

Medical emergency.

I'm not sure if it was an 'emergency' as such, given that they flew straight past Belfast International which is more than capable of handling an A330. Looking at the FR24 logged data it was another 22 minutes until the wheels hit the tarmac at Dublin. The last medical diversion into Belfast that I can remember was two years ago when an Air France A340 landed due to a woman prematurely giving birth. Everything else just sails on past to Dublin despite the transponder shrieking 7700 ???

maximum12

arubex wrote: »

I'm not sure if it was an 'emergency' as such, given that they flew straight past Belfast International which is more than capable of handling an A330. Looking at the FR24 logged data it was another 22 minutes until the wheels hit the tarmac at Dublin. The last medical diversion into Belfast that I can remember was two years ago when an Air France A340 landed due to a woman prematurely giving birth. Everything else just sails on past to Dublin despite the transponder shrieking 7700 ???

I believe there are designated diversion airports and I guess Belfast is not one. While technically Belfast was quicker, if people on the ground don't have established procedures for an incoming medical issue, it's likely there'll be lots of headless chicken behaviour on the ground and it'll take longer overall to deal with the situation. Also, Dublin is less than 100 flying miles from Belfast so is nothing like 22 minutes longer.

rushfan

arubex wrote:

I'm not sure if it was an 'emergency' as such, given that they flew straight past Belfast International which is more than capable of handling an A330. Looking at the FR24 logged data it was another 22 minutes until the wheels hit the tarmac at Dublin. The last medical diversion into Belfast that I can remember was two years ago when an Air France A340 landed due to a woman prematurely giving birth. Everything else just sails on past to Dublin despite the transponder shrieking 7700 ???

Reported 70 yr old who had suffered a heart attack. Possible heavy landing too. Dublin airport's proximity to Beaumont could be a factor also.

maximum12

rushfan wrote: »

Reported 70 yr old who had suffered a heart attack. Possible heavy landing too. Dublin airport's proximity to Beaumont could be a factor also.

Gonna be the Mater if heart

Pat Dunne

maximum12 wrote: »

Also, Dublin is less than 100 flying miles from Belfast so is nothing like 22 minutes longer.

At a constant speed of 300 mph (482 kph) it will take 20 minutes to cover 100 miles (160 km). Allowing for deceleration during landing etc. To cover the distance of 74 miles BFS to DUB in 22 minutes sounds reasonable.

Also bear in mind arubex is quoting data from FR24, which is fairly reliable.

JCX BXC

This isn't the first case of Medical Emergencies bypassing BFS for DUB.

How far is the nearest hospital from DUB and then from BFS?

maximum12

Pat Dunne wrote: »

At a constant speed of 300 mph (482 kph) it will take 20 minutes to cover 100 miles (160 km). Allowing for deceleration during landing etc. To cover the distance of 74 miles BFS to DUB in 22 minutes sounds reasonable.

Also bear in mind arubex is quoting data from FR24, which is reasonably accurate.

While the data may be accurate, how it is being used to reach a conclusion is inaccurate.

Deceleration is irrelevant in the calculation as that has to be done no matter where they land. Assuming no traffic delays the difference between dub and bfs is 74 miles at cruise speed so no more than 10 minutes in it

Pat Dunne

maximum12 wrote: »

Gonna be the Mater if heart

Beaumontt is the closest A.E and is the designated 1st stop. Once the patient is accessed it maybe decided to sent them to another hospital specialising in that particular area of expertise

colbarr

I'm a bit confused by the last few posts. Are we talking about LH425 or LH414? both diverted to DUB but 12 hours apart. LH425 diverted first, coming from Boston and overflying Shannon, which Rushfan commented was a medical emergency. But then Arubex (quoting Rushfan) started commenting about LH414. Are they both medical emergencies?

Pat Dunne

maximum12 wrote: »

the difference between dub and bfs is 74 miles at cruise speed so no more than 10 minutes in it

To achieve the time and distance you state here the plane would have to travel at a constant speed of 444mph (715 kph) point to point.

A Dub in Glasgo

I am no expert on medical emergencies but there were other options that look closer (Belfast, Glasgow, Prestwick & Edinburgh) for LH414

maximum12

Pat Dunne wrote: »

To achieve the time and distance you state here the plane would have to travel at a constant speed of 444mph (715 kph) point to point.

Yes so coming in eastbound off the Atlantic they'd probably be faster so likely less than 10 minutes.

A Dub in Glasgo

colbarr wrote: »

I'm a bit confused by the last few posts. Are we talking about LH425 or LH414? both diverted to DUB but 12 hours apart. LH425 diverted first, coming from Boston and overflying Shannon, which Rushfan commented was a medical emergency. But then Arubex (quoting Rushfan) started commenting about LH414. Are they both medical emergencies?

Yes, this is LH414

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and this is LH425

colbarr

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

Yes, this is LH414

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I know that. What I'm saying is that Rushfan commented on LH425 saying it was a medical emergency, then Arubex quoted Rushfan but started talking about LH414 which led to this latest discussion. What I'm confused about is whether both diversions were for medical emergencies. Apart from that, the discussion makes sense (because its not about the specific flight, but about a pilot choosing one airport over another in an emergency).

Having said that, if one or the other was for, say, a maintenance issue, then that would lead to a separate discussion on airport choice.

billie1b

colbarr wrote: »

I know that. What I'm saying is that Rushfan commented on LH425 saying it was a medical emergency, then Arubex quoted Rushfan but started talking about LH414 which led to this latest discussion. What I'm confused about is whether both diversions were for medical emergencies. Apart from that, the discussion makes sense (because its not about the specific flight, but about a pilot choosing one airport over another in an emergency).

Having said that, if one or the other was for, say, a maintenance issue, then that would lead to a separate discussion on airport choice.

Yes both were medical emergencies and 12 hrs apart. The heart attack victim was stabilised on board by Paramedics and brought to Beaumont for assessment, his wife also required the assistance of an OCS lift off to disembark the aircarft, it was an elderly couple travelling together.
All medical emergencies from Dublin Airport will hit Beaumont first to be assessed and then transferred to a specialist hospital if nessacary.

CharlieCroker

If there's a med emergency on a commercial aircraft, contact is made by the crew with a company like Medaire. They try to diagnose the ailment as best they can and advise the pilot to divert to the nearest airport that has the nearest appropriate medical centre nearby.

So while Belfast may have been closer by 10 mins or so, Medaire may have decided that the patient would receive better or faster treatment in Dublin.

bkehoe

Dublin airport also have a based ambulance that is available on the airport whereas other airports need to rely on an ambulance coming from outside, clearing security, etc so this is important to consider too as well as the speed that handling equipment for the aircraft is available on arrival (e.g. steps or gate availability in order for the emergency crews to board the aircraft).

January

arubex wrote: »

I'm not sure if it was an 'emergency' as such, given that they flew straight past Belfast International which is more than capable of handling an A330. Looking at the FR24 logged data it was another 22 minutes until the wheels hit the tarmac at Dublin. The last medical diversion into Belfast that I can remember was two years ago when an Air France A340 landed due to a woman prematurely giving birth. Everything else just sails on past to Dublin despite the transponder shrieking 7700 ???

Did that air France not land in Dublin? The woman was brought to the rotunda?

JCX BXC

EI3740 (ORK-SOU) returning to ORK immediately after Take-Off.

Update: Suspected bird strike.

JCX BXC

LVP's in place in Dublin?

eastmayo

American Airlines diverting into shannon at the moment. Medical emergency.

Oscar Bravo

air corps 112 currently holding just north of Ballinasloe due to a thunderstorm between there and its Athlone base