Khan V Canelo May 7th

Andre 3000

It'd be sensational if he took the Golovkin fight at 160 and beat him. I like Canelo, he's got a very appealing style and he seems like a good kid. He's the perfect package for a boxing star once he learns English. I get the vibe of Tito Trinidad off him and of course Tito was one hell of a fighter. I think he lost the Lara fight but he's improving every time I see him. Scary to think the lad has 49 fights under his belt at the age of 25.

price690

nacho libre wrote: »

Khan is an adult and headstrong, what exactly can the trainer do, aside from quitting his post? Also Hunter can't do much to improve Khan, you can't train someone to have a better chin, you can't train ring IQ either. Khan plants his feet after throwing quick combinations. Look at the way Pacquaio does it in and out due to his quick footwork, Khan doesn't seem to have the ability to do that, perhaps criticism of Hunter is that he failed to come up with a plan around this flaw.

You're right about the Canelo v Golovkin fight happening, but, as you say, Oscar is stalling for time. I think Khan does deserve praise for taking on the challenge, knowing there was a high risk of being knocked out, contrast that with the likes of BJS who clearly avoided taking a bout with Golovkin.

BJS v Canelo is a very interesting fight

Saunders gives Canelo all sorts of problems and hes a smallish middleweight.

Dick phelan

Andre 3000 wrote: »

It'd be sensational if he took the Golovkin fight at 160 and beat him. I like Canelo, he's got a very appealing style and he seems like a good kid. He's the perfect package for a boxing star once he learns English. I get the vibe of Tito Trinidad off him and of course Tito was one hell of a fighter. I think he lost the Lara fight but he's improving every time I see him. Scary to think the lad has 49 fights under his belt at the age of 25.

Yeah i really like Canelo, guy get's a lot of hate but i honestly think he's got that old Mexican feel about him, not just in the way he fights but i honestly think he has that desire to face the best and prove himself, a touch of real class from him after the Khan fight, instead of celebrating he went straight to Khan to check he was ok, he's a good kid and a damn good fighter imo, just a shame for him GGG is a monster at 160, if the fight is made i'll be cheering for Canelo but can't see him winning at the moment sadly.

Morrison J

Talks scheduled for GGG-Canelo according to Loeffler.

Flint Fredstone

nacho libre wrote: »

I saw the end coming in round three,when Canelo was closing the distance, and just missing the target(Khan's chin
) with some big shots. As was said some time ago by one of his opponents, Khan has world class skills, but also world class flaws. Fair play to him for taking this fight on. If he goes back down to fight Brook, i think it will be a similar outcome; ahead on points, but he will get caught. Canelo will lose to Golovkin. Which is why De La Hoya, despite what he said last night, will continue to avoid it for the time being by blaming the other side for it not happening. Looking into the future, if Ward manages to beat Kovalev, i'd love to see Ward v Golovkin at some point.

Not looking likely.

"Eddie Hearn [Brook's promoter] keeps saying Brook is a big draw, but he's not," said Khan.

"I respect him, he's got a world title, but he's not a big name. He's gone down his route, I've gone down my route and I don't like him.

"I want to fight the biggest names, leave a great legacy and I've only got a few fights left.

"I was out-boxing Canelo for six rounds, so I can go straight into another big fight. So I don't think the Kell Brook fight will happen."

The guy is delusional. A great legacy? I guess a great legacy to him is an impressive list of names that beat him rather than a less stellar list of names he beat.

walshb

Khan can fight the big names, but getting knocked out by them will leave him no bloody legacy.

It's reported the wants a Garcia rematch. Garcia will knock him cold again, and this time, more decisively and more methodically.

Morrison J

You don't create a legacy fighting Jo Jo Dan or Kevin Bizier. You at least give yourself a chance by fighting the best.

Don't see how you can take a shot at Khan wanting to avenge the Garcia defeat. It's a big fight. I'd give him a chance in it too. Khan is good for boxing at the end of the day. If he was an Eddie Hearn fighter he'd be fighting two tune up fights at 147 against some Venezuelan nobody or something. At least Khan doesn't mess about.

walshb

Morrison J wrote: »

You don't create a legacy fighting Jo Jo Dan or Kevin Bizier. You at least give yourself a chance by fighting the best.

Don't see how you can take a shot at Khan wanting to avenge the Garcia defeat. It's a big fight. I'd give him a chance in it too. Khan is good for boxing at the end of the day. If he was an Eddie Hearn fighter he'd be fighting two tune up fights at 147 against some Venezuelan nobody or something. At least Khan doesn't mess about.

I am not taking a shot at Khan for the report of him seeking a Garcia rematch. I am simply saying he gets knocked cold. And, I am not entirely ready to believe that he really wants it. Garcia knocked him out 3-4 years ago. And now Khan is calling for a rematch?

As for Brook. He has no legacy at this time. One single win against an elite, and an elite that I never rated highly.

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

And, I am not entirely ready to believe that he really wants it. Garcia knocked him out 3-4 years ago. And now Khan is calling for a rematch?

Why wouldn't you believe it though? Throughout his career Khan has only ever looked for the biggest fights possible. Garcia is the biggest fight available to him this year. His track record would suggest that its a fight he'd certainly take.

walshb

Morrison J wrote: »

Why wouldn't you believe it though? Throughout his career Khan has only ever looked for the biggest fights possible. Garcia is the biggest fight available to him this year. His track record would suggest that its a fight he'd certainly take.

Post Garcia (Canelo aside) his track record suggests he won't take it.

There is a difference between big and risky. Yes, Khan has sought big fights, as in money spinning fights. I never said otherwise. Apart from Canelo, and possibly Maidana, who has he sought to fight that was a real killer post Garcia loss? I don't think Manny is a real killer, and I would have taken a sneaky bet on Khan in that one.

His resume of recent years has been very safety first. He has been somewhat protected. The Canelo fight was a risk, one that has backfired, and one that could have caused him real damage.

Edit: Maidana was pre Garcia. So, post Garcia he has been very selective as regards risk.

Calling out Garcia, (a man who can KO with a single shot, and has ko'd Khan), a few days after being flattened by Canelo doesn't instill belief in me. Is he still concussed?

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

Post Garcia (Canelo aside) his track record suggests he won't take it.

There is a difference between big and risky. Yes, Khan has sought big fights, as in money spinning fights. I never said otherwise. Apart from Canelo, and possibly Maidana, who has he sought to fight that was a real killer post Garcia loss? I don't think Manny is a real killer, and I would have taken a sneaky bet on Khan in that one.

His resume of recent years has been very safety first. He has been somewhat protected. The Canelo fight was a risk, one that has backfired, and one that could have caused him real damage.

Calling out Garcia, (a man who can KO with a single shot, and has ko'd Khan), a few days aftre being flattened by Canelo doesn't instill belief in me. Is he still concussed?

I think you are underselling Manny a bit. His KO against Hatton was as good a punch as Canelo's on Khan. Maybe better. He tried everything he could to fight Manny. What other killers could he have fought?

Keith Thurman is only becoming a big fight recently. Wouldn't have made sense pre the Guerrero fight. Could see that fight happening down the line.

Just think its a bit unfair saying a guy who just stepped up two weights to fight Canelo is "safety first". That fight couldn't have been further from being safe. Genuinely feared for Khan's life when he cracked the back of his head off the canvas.

Pretty confident he'll take the Garcia fight personally.

walshb

Morrison J wrote: »

I think you are underselling Manny a bit. His KO against Hatton was as good a punch as Canelo's on Khan. Maybe better. He tried everything he could to fight Manny. What other killers could he have fought?

Keith Thurman is only becoming a big fight recently. Wouldn't have made sense pre the Guerrero fight. Could see that fight happening down the line.

Just think its a bit unfair saying a guy who just stepped up two weights to fight Canelo is "safety first". That fight couldn't have been further from being safe. Genuinely feared for Khan's life when he cracked the back of his head off the canvas.

Pretty confident he'll take the Garcia fight personally.

I am clear on this. I said post Garcia, Canelo aside. The Canelo fight was every bit as stupid as brave. Yes, I thought he could possibly run and steal, but we all knew how vulnerable he was, and Canelo can punch a bit.

Regarding Garcia: It just doesn't sit right that all of a sudden after 3-4 years, and days after a heavy KO loss, he'd be calling out a man who knocked him out at 140 lbs.

BTW, I don't think Manny's hail mary from the back of the hall against Hatton was as good a shot as Caenlo's. I'd also bet that Canelo's had more force behind it. I am on record saying that Khan beats Manny had they fought a while back. Of course, with an asterisk as regards a hail mary shot from Manny. I was a lot more confident of Khan beating Manny than him beating Canelo.

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

I am clear on this. I said post Garcia, Canelo aside. The Canelo fight was every bit as stupid as brave. Yes, I thought he could possibly run and steal, but we all knew how vulnerable he was, and Canelo can punch a bit.

Regarding Garcia: It just doesn't sit right that all of a sudden after 3-4 years, and days after a heavy KO loss, he'd be calling out a man who knocked him out at 140 lbs.

BTW, I don't think Manny's hail mary from the back of the hall against Hatton was as good a shot as Caenlo's. I'd also bet that Canelo's had more force behind it. I am on record saying that Khan beats Manny had they fought a while back. Of course, with an asterisk as regards a hail mary shot from Manny. I was a lot more confident of Khan beating Manny than him beating Canelo.

Doesn't really matter if it was stupid or brave though. He did what very few boxers have the balls to do. He deserves credit for that. There are many boxers I could say take the safety option first but to criticise Khan of all boxers is very harsh imo. Who are all the killers that he should have fought post-Garcia?

Khan will think he can beat Garcia given how he outboxed him in the first two rounds when they fought before it became a complete scrap. Wouldn't at all be confident that he can but I'd give him half a chance. The Canelo fight doesn't alter my opinion in any way. Khan can outbox pretty much anyone bar Floyd imo but if he gets caught he's in trouble. Gives him a chance against anyone at 147.

walshb

Morrison J wrote: »

Doesn't really matter if it was stupid or brave though. He did what very few boxers have the balls to do. He deserves credit for that. There are many boxers I could say take the safety option first but to criticise Khan of all boxers is very harsh imo. Who are all the killers that he should have fought post-Garcia?

Khan will think he can beat Garcia given how he outboxed him in the first two rounds when they fought before it became a complete scrap. Wouldn't at all be confident that he can but I'd give him half a chance. The Canelo fight doesn't alter my opinion in any way. Khan can outbox pretty much anyone bar Floyd imo but if he gets caught he's in trouble. Gives him a chance against anyone at 147.

Put it this way, post Garcia he has not fought anything approaching great. One man, Canelo, who is at the top blasted him away. These are just the facts. Before Canelo he had a string of wins against very weak opposition as regards risk/power. That was deliberate fight selection.

He, or he and his team must have saw something in Canelo that they thought they could exploit. I reckon it was Canelo's slow feet that was the lure. Unfortunaletly they forgot about timing.

I am, or at least was a big admirer of Khan, but it's hard to look past facts surrounding his skills/ability and results/opposition. He's always been way too vulnerable, with a style that is not suited for savage pro boxing.

If he takes the Garcia fight I will be rooting for him. But I couldn't put money on it. His body/chin is too weak.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

That wasn't a hail mary punch! He set that up with a non committal jab as a range finder. Btw he's been calling out Garcia way before this Canelo fight.

It was a hail mary in its appearance. It was a wild swing. Yes, deliberate and thought out, but wild and obvious.

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

That wasn't a hail mary punch! He set that up with a non committal jab as a range finder. Btw he's been calling out Garcia way before this Canelo fight.

I had heard Garcia mentioned pre Canelo. Again, never really believed he wanted it. And fighting the likes of Algieri and Alexander and Collazo and Molina and Diaz bears that out. Not sure why folks are so ready to believe in claims and fighers calling out others.

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

Put it this way, post Garcia he has not fought anything approaching great. One man, Canelo, who is at the top blasted him away. These are just the facts. Before Canelo he had a string of wins against very weak opposition as regards risk/power. That was deliberate fight selection.

You still haven't answered my question though. Who are the boxers approaching great that you are mentioning that he should have fought? He literally stalked the life out of Manny and Floyd for years and had to make do with Canelo. Granted Floyd isn't a big puncher but I don't see how you can hold it against him.

He took a risk in order to be great and failed. Loads more big fights there for him at 147 which will happen now he goes back down.

walshb

Morrison J wrote: »

You still haven't answered my question though. Who are the boxers approaching great that you are mentioning that he should have fought? He literally stalked the life out of Manny and Floyd for years and had to make do with Canelo. Granted Floyd isn't a big puncher but I don't see how you can hold it against him.

He took a risk in order to be great and failed. Loads more big fights there for him at 147 which will happen now he goes back down.

I wasn't aware you had asked a direct question. Anything approaching great. By great, I really meant a combination of dangerous and talented. This all stemmed from a claim of him seeking the big fights. Big and risky are different. He has not sought any opposition that is world class that also is very dangerous. The likes of Garcia and Thurman and some others. There isn't all that many, really, but Khan has fought very selective opponents as regards danger.

I am not holding it against him his seeking a fight with Floyd. It makes perfect financial sense, as well as Floyd not being a real killer or puncher. Huge amount of money for little health risks. I just won't credit him for seeking the fight.

The Manny fight could be looked upon as dangerous by some, but Manny is a smaller man by an obvious margin. His Hatton KO is a bit overstated when analysing a match with Khan. And, like Floyd, it was a big business fight, not really a brave fight. Like Floyd, makes perfect financial sense.

None of this is criticism. It's just observation. Khan, of course deserves credit for some aspects, but not credit for other aspects,. And because I may not award credit, that doesn't mean it's me being critical. It's just me not being wowed or impressed.

RayK0309

'Thurman and Garcia have regressed in the last couple years'. That is a sentence I've heard a lot recently. That's down to uncle Al of course. A good pay check (which is great) but **** matchmaking. Garcia is the worst, post Matthysse. Check this article out.http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/8/19/9177107/the-salka-scale-measuring-the-awfulness-of-boxing-matchups ..it's from the best boxing website I've found. Especially the comment section. I only really use BoxingScene for breaking news,The Ring for confirmation and BadleftHook for the articles and commentary. Y'all can thank me later!

RayK0309

http://www.badlefthook.com/2015/8/19/9177107/the-salka-scale-measuring-the-awfulness-of-boxing-matchups

walshb

pac_man wrote: »

I'm not sure it was obvious considering how quick it was delivered and how unorthodox Pac generally is. The Weight transfer to dominate leg, the degree of hip rotation and the fact that he dipped low to minimize the risk of getting countered disputes the claim that it was wild. It was a perfect punch in my opinion.

Fair points!

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

I wasn't aware you had asked a direct question. Anything approaching great. By great, I really meant a combination of dangerous and talented. This all stemmed from a claim of him seeking the big fights. Big and risky are different. He has not sought any opposition that is world class that also is very dangerous. The likes of Garcia and Thurman and some others. There isn't all that many, really, but Khan has fought very selective opponents as regards danger.

None of this is criticism. It's just observation. Khan, of course deserves credit for some aspects, but not credit for other aspects,. And because I may not award credit, that doesn't mean it's me being critical. It's just me not being wowed or impressed.

Thats the thing though. There wasn't a situation where he clearly ducked a big puncher which makes me think the observation is unfair. A Thurman fight would have made little sense at the time given he's only really rose to prominence as a respectable fighter in the last 2 years. He's fought Garcia and always maintained in interviews that he wants a rematch. Its Danny if anyone who doesn't seem to want it going off interviews saying he wants to move on.

In todays age where every fighter is protecting their record, ducking any dangerous opponents etc, its impressive to me that Khan would step up basically two weights and fight someone as dangerous as Canelo. There isn't another top level fighter in the world who has the balls to do that. We may just agree to disagree on that though.

walshb

He has lost three times via KO. He has not rematched the first two. Never sought Prescott. And, as it stands he has not rematched Garcia. All the talk of wanting to reamtch etc is talk. May or may not be actually genuine. As it stands he has not rematched the KO losses pre Canelo. The Garcia rematch was never something that was really serious and sought. Talk here and there and the usual soundbites. Post Garcia he had a string of wins against very selective foes.

Johner

What's the point in a rematch with Garcia, it only took Garcia 3 rounds to figure Khan out last time, it would take less time next time. Khan possess zero ring IQ and has a dodgy chin.

I am most interested in the Brook fight because I don't think Brook has that one punch KO power, of course he can KO Khan but I don't think it would be easy and Khan could win on points. Interesting fight but probably won't happen.

walshb

Johner wrote: »

I am most interested in the Brook fight because I don't think Brook has that one punch KO power, of course he can KO Khan but I don't think it would be easy and Khan could win on points. Interesting fight but probably won't happen.

This is his best option. Brook's punch and delivery aren't near as dangerous as Garcia's. Brook is more causal and methodical. It's a fight that he can win. Yes, needs to be careful, but not near as careful as he would need to be vs. Garcia or Thurman.

boxer.fan

walshb wrote: »

This is his best option. Brook's punch and delivery aren't near as dangerous as Garcia's. Brook is more causal and methodical. It's a fight that he can win. Yes, needs to be careful, but not near as careful as he would need to be vs. Garcia or Thurman.

The fight with Brook should be his final one. Decent payout & a possible crowd pleaser.

walshb

boxer.fan wrote: »

The fight with Brook should be his final one. Decent payout & a possible crowd pleaser.

Absolutely. Big pay day and IMO much less of a health-danger risk than Garcia. Unless Broook pastes him for 12 rds? Don't think that happens. I think Brook's only hope is a KO, and I don't see him capable of it vs. Khan. I see him losing a clear decision.

Sebastian Dangerfield

I just want to see Brook in with a decent name - Khan or anyone else of that level.

Hearn talks about him like hes the second coming but doesnt seem to want to put him in with anyone other than sh1tty mandatories,on inflated cards of his fighters staying busy. He blames injuries for nixing optional defenses, but that doesnt explain why he put Brook in with Frankie Gavin. Sky have cultivated a myth of Brook being top level but how will we ever know if he wont fight anyone? Even to get the opportunity at Porter in the first place, the biggest name on his record was Carson Jones and even he had Brook in right trouble.

Johner

pac_man wrote: »

How does Jessie Vargas sound? They are currently in talks for him to come over and fight Brook.

Sounds just like a Brook opponent. A step up from the dross he's been in with but still hardly the big name they've been talking about. I am sick of Brook at this stage.

Andre 3000

I'd love if Khan fought Brook next and knocked him out... Jesus it'd be one of the most satisfying results in recent memory. Brook is a clown who think he's a PPV superstar. I only read an article earlier where he claimed he hits as hard as Canelo. I suppose that's why you fight world beaters like Frankie Gavin and Jo Jo Dan Kell while Canelo fights guys like Lara and Cotto, proven world champs. He's completely delusional.

Johner

Andre 3000 wrote: »

I'd love if Khan fought Brook next and knocked him out... Jesus it'd be one of the most satisfying results in recent memory. Brook is a clown who think he's a PPV superstar. I only read an article earlier where he claimed he hits as hard as Canelo. I suppose that's why you fight world beaters like Frankie Gavin and Jo Jo Dan Kell while Canelo fights guys like Lara and Cotto, proven world champs. He's completely delusional.

I watched that interview on Sky Sports, he said it wouldn't be safe for Khan to fight him as he hits as hard as Canelo. :rolleyes: Would also love to see Khan beat him.

Joeseph Balls

Johner wrote: »

I watched that interview on Sky Sports, he said it wouldn't be safe for Khan to fight him as he hits as hard as Canelo. :rolleyes: Would also love to see Khan beat him.

Never liked khan myself but another one for a khan here. special K me arse

Dick phelan

The best way to sum up Kell Brooks shambolic career so far is to point out he is so desperate for a payday despite being a world champion he called out a bloke while he was out cold on the canvas, Aside from the classless timing of the tweet what kind of champion would call out someone who has just lost so brutally. Not a word on calling out the winner or any other top WW or LMW, The blokes entire career has been around one potential fight.

How come Brook never calls out Spence, Bradley, Thurman ect, its Khan or nothing for him. Brook is both older and been a pro longer then Khan yet compare the c.v's it's embarrassing for Brook. In 36 fights Kell Brook has fought 1 top level fighter, a complete joke of a fighter who seems more interested in rent boys and cocaine in Tenerife then he does in building himself a legacy.

Joe Musashi

Rent boys? Explain please?

weemcd

Joe Musashi wrote: »

Rent boys? Explain please?

I agree, do tell

Johner

Joe Musashi wrote: »

Rent boys? Explain please?

weemcd wrote: »

I agree, do tell

It's got to do with the stabbing in Tenerife, was all very strange. Won't go into detail here but just google it.

Henno30

weemcd wrote: »

I agree, do tell

It's just a slightly strange situation and no one is entirely clear on what happened.


Pic unrelated

Dick phelan

I'ts heavily rumored Brook is gay, the circumstances around the stabbing are dodgy, they'v never made an effort to bring the perpetrator to justice, that screams of hiding something, Brook is well known for his love of the marching powder so it's likely either drugs or something else that caused him to get stabbed.

Joe Musashi

I heard David Haye is into men too but cannot say for certain. Having a very prominent gay boxer would be a big news story I think.

Joeseph Balls

Joe Musashi wrote: »

I heard David Haye is into men too but cannot say for certain. Having a very prominent gay boxer would be a big news story I think.

I thought there already is one. It prob would be a big news story but at the end of the day who cares

ASOT

Dick phelan wrote: »

I'ts heavily rumored Brook is gay, the circumstances around the stabbing are dodgy, they'v never made an effort to bring the perpetrator to justice, that screams of hiding something, Brook is well known for his love of the marching powder so it's likely either drugs or something else that caused him to get stabbed.

So being a gay drug addict got him stabbed, that escaleted quickly.

blade1

Joe Musashi wrote: »

I heard David Haye is into men too but cannot say for certain. Having a very prominent gay boxer would be a big news story I think.

He's after taking a fair bit of punishment in the ring alright!:pac::pac:

Sebastian Dangerfield

pac_man wrote: »

How does Jessie Vargas sound? They are currently in talks for him to come over and fight Brook.

The same way they were in talks with Brandon Rios, Timothy Bradley etc? Ill believe it when I see it

mansize

http://www.boxingnewsonline.net/anthony-ogogo-dreams-of-canelo-alvarez-fight/

Back to boxing...

Ogogo- the person least deserving of a medal in London IMHO - this made me laugh

mansize

This place is worse than a sewing circle sometimes...

Joe Musashi

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

I thought there already is one. It prob would be a big news story but at the end of the day who cares

Dunno.

Tyson Fury brought up the 20 men at the press conference for their fight a few years back. Haye looked quite embarrassed. :pac: