Sold Car , Problems with buyer today

pudzey101

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kkelly77

pudzey101 wrote: »

hi all i sold my 05 passat on 23rd December , got a phone call today from the buyer claiming it wasnt taxed to the point i said it was (it was) , she said there was a false tax disc on the screen of a Peugeot model (have no idea about that) also she said the engine fell out 3-4 days later due to a bad engine mount . i had my mechanic check it out before i sold it (showed her receipts )

and her dad even came along to double check for any faults and claimed to be a mechanic himself.

Anyway got a phone-call about an hour later from the guards saying the woman wasn't happy etc etc and all i could basically say is the deal was done back in December why only ring now and it was a private sale .

whats most likely to happen here would anyone know ? im sure this happens all the time , its just her bad luck things went wrong with the car because when i had it during my ownership it was 100% ??

Private sale - no come back on their part. So don't worry about it.

In fact, I'd bet that wasn't even a genuine phonecall from the Garda. It's not a criminal matter and has nothing to do with them. If she were to go to the guards, that's exactly what she would be told.

coylemj

kkelly77 wrote: »

In fact, I'd bet that wasn't even a genuine phonecall from the Garda. It's not a criminal matter and has nothing to do with them. If she were to go to the guards, that's exactly what she would be told.

The legal principle governing a private sale is 'caveat emptor' - 'let the buyer beware'. Unless there was a dangerous fault which you knew about (and it's up to the buyer to prove that you did), she has no comeback. And she brought her Dad who claimed to be a mechanic!!!

Del2005

Motortax.ie will show the tax history. If an engine fell out of a car I'd just bought I wouldn't wait over a month.

Tell her to that the car was free from defects when you sold it and if she, or anyone else, contacts you about the car again you'll report her to the Gardai for harassment.

Marcusm

I would ring the Garda station back and ask to speak to the sergeant or more senior member and establish why one of their colleagues was interfering in a civil matter.

pudzey101

oh no im not worried about it , it could happen anyone , i could buy a car tonight and the engine blow tomorrow . it was a genuine garda he rang from my local station and i recognized his name tho ok thanks for the advice ,

pudzey101

see i cant check on motor tax website now because its not in my name , is that was this would be called a civil matter yes ?

Bigus

It's completely academic when it was taxed until,

because the new owner is only liable from date of sale and doesn't pay any back tax no matter how long over due.

As for "the engine fell out " is not a realistic description of a loose engine mount and sounds a bit melodramatic , caveat emptor

Alanstrainor

Stop communicating completely with these loons. Seriously. Not worth the stress.

McGrath5

Since this is a private sale, tell them not to call you again OP, i.e. tell them to take a long walk off a short pier.

savagethegoat

it's a scam trying to get you to dish out a partial refund. Tell them to take that long walk

bilbot79

Did you really not know there was anything wrong with it? Incredibly bad luck on their part that the car crocked within a month of them getting it.

I bought my car off a guy who ASSURED me there wasn't anything wrong with it. All checked by a mechanic etc. by the time I got it home it crocked and needed a new ECU. I bought about 1200 below market value and spent 700 fixing it.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the guy knew it was a lemon even though he said it wasn't.

Maybe you didn't know yours was a lemon....

But maybe you did.

Atlantic Dawn

pudzey101 wrote: »

it was a genuine garda he rang from my local station and i recognized his name tho ok thanks for the advice ,

If it was them they are interfering in something that has nothing to do with them, report them as was said to their sergeant, those days of throwing around their power are long gone.

quadrifoglio verde

bilbot79 wrote: »

Did you really not know there was anything wrong with it? Incredibly bad luck on their part that the car crocked within a month of them getting it.

I bought my car off a guy who ASSURED me there wasn't anything wrong with it. All checked by a mechanic etc. by the time I got it home it crocked and needed a new ECU. I bought about 1200 below market value and spent 700 fixing it.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the guy knew it was a lemon even though he said it wasn't.

Maybe you didn't know yours was a lemon....

But maybe you did.

Private sale tough ****
Harsh yes but reality

If you don't want to play with the big boys i.e adults then go to a dealer and pay a nice premium to him for the same car

goochy

Whether he knew or not doesn't matter . Buy from a dealer if u want comeback .i would ask to speak to guard and say ur not happy about getting a ph. call

StereoSound

The garda calling you is the weird bit for me. Surely they know there is no come back in a private sale to even bother picking up the phone to call you. Did she talk him into it or do they know each other personally I wonder.. Kinda weird but ye don't answer her calls again. I'd advise that chap at the garda station to mind his own business if you find him calling you again.

testicle

Report that Garda to GSOC.

freddieot

Ask to met with your local Superintendant and demand a written apology. No apology forthcoming, formally report the Garda to GSOC. It is a clear abuse of power but I would give the opportunity for an apology first.

Also, at the Station, make a formal complaint of harassment against the buyer. (Your evidence includes the Garda phonecall).

bazz26

Either the Garda in question is very thick and doesn't know the law regarding private sales and it being a civil matter, or he knows the buyer in question and has abused his power by trying to use his position to get you to refund the buyer. To be honest I'd be tempted to talk to the station's Superintendent about such behavior.

As for the gombeen buyer, don't communicate with them anymore. These people have no problem buying privately when the price is right but still expect dealer level comeback. Yes it's unfortunate that the engine died but this is the risk you take by buying private.

Stheno

I had a Fiat Punto, which the head gasket went in.

Got it repaired then it had another problem with the battery, and I couldn't be bothered so got another car.

It was lying up a few weeks when a local deliveryman knocked in saying he was looking for a Punto for parts, and I gave him it's history and he bought it for a few hundred euro.

Jump started it and took it for a test drive beforehand with his "mechanic"

Next thing I know I am getting texts every five minutes about two weeks later claiming the head was gone, had clearly not been replaced etc.

Put him onto my mechanic, turns out the guy was known locally for buying cars for "parts", then claiming they were sold a lemon.

My mechanic had had to deal with him three different times.

He rapidly went away when he realised he'd been rumbled.

BreadnBuddha

bilbot79 wrote: »

Did you really not know there was anything wrong with it? Incredibly bad luck on their part that the car crocked within a month of them getting it.

I bought my car off a guy who ASSURED me there wasn't anything wrong with it. All checked by a mechanic etc. by the time I got it home it crocked and needed a new ECU. I bought about 1200 below market value and spent 700 fixing it.

There is no doubt whatsoever that the guy knew it was a lemon even though he said it wasn't.

Maybe you didn't know yours was a lemon....

But maybe you did.

Are you for real?

You bought it for 1200 below market value, had to spend 700 getting it fixed leaving you 500 all in, still below market value.

Moneywise, you did okay.

On the other hand you bought a car privately, took it as some kind of reassurance that the seller said it was perfect and it was all checked by a mechanic, as though that means anything at all. It doesn't.

I'm a professional kite flier. My kittens are radioactive. Chuck Norris is chained up in my basement. He wasn't that hard to beat into submission. My airplane is in perfect working order, really. I had it checked by an aeromagical mechanic. You should buy it and believe everything I'm telling you, okay?

Yeah. You get the point.

Take that bitter pill yourself. Swallow it and let it pass. Live and learn.

OP, they bought the car. Her own fault (as it was with Bilbo here) not bringing a mechanic themselves to check it out. Her Da thinking he's Edd China's long lost cousin and her thinking she's Mike Brewers wheeler dealer..eh...ing love child is their own fantasy.

You have your money and they have their car. That's the end of it. Learn the lesson and buy a burner sim when you sell a car. No messing with asshats like yer wan next time. A tenner well spent.

pudzey101

thanks lads for all the help , i actually should have bought a separate sim for selling it !! ill know next time

9935452

pudzey101 wrote: »

hi all i sold my 05 passat on 23rd December , got a phone call today from the buyer claiming it wasnt taxed to the point i said it was (it was) , she said there was a false tax disc on the screen of a Peugeot model (have no idea about that) also she said the engine fell out 3-4 days later due to a bad engine mount . i had my mechanic check it out before i sold it (showed her receipts )

and her dad even came along to double check for any faults and claimed to be a mechanic himself.

Anyway got a phone-call about an hour later from the guards saying the woman wasn't happy etc etc and all i could basically say is the deal was done back in December why only ring now and it was a private sale .

whats most likely to happen here would anyone know ? im sure this happens all the time , its just her bad luck things went wrong with the car because when i had it during my ownership it was 100% ??

She waited nearly 5 weeks after the engine fell out to get back to you . Its a likely story.
I have a feeling from reading this that the car might have had a tax disc from a peugeot but she might have put it there herself, maybe her last car was a peugeot and had tax left on it.
Regarding the guard ringing you, probably a friend of hers or quite possibly married to her. As the other posters say , civil matter.

Del2005

pudzey101 wrote: »

oh no im not worried about it , it could happen anyone , i could buy a car tonight and the engine blow tomorrow . it was a genuine garda he rang from my local station and i recognized his name tho ok thanks for the advice ,

You should find out when the Garda is on duty and drop down to report that a person who bought a car from you privately has been harassing you, just to see the look on his face.

Duke O Smiley

bazz26 wrote: »

Either the Garda in question is very thick and doesn't know the law regarding private sales and it being a civil matter, or he knows the buyer in question and has abused his power by trying to use his position to get you to refund the buyer. To be honest I'd be tempted to talk to the station's Superintendent about such behavior.

As for the gombeen buyer, don't communicate with them anymore. These people have no problem buying privately when the price is right but still expect dealer level comeback. Yes it's unfortunate that the engine died but this is the risk you take by buying private.

I'm thinking this tbh. Absolutely unacceptable if it is the case too and I'd urge yo pudzy to go and make a complaint

Supergurrier

Next time you are selling a car

Walk into tesco
Buy a samsung mobile for 7e with 5e free credit on sim
leave in glovebox after they sign logbook

TheShow

testicle wrote: »

Report that Garda to GSOC.

GSOC probably already know... :-)

BMJD

pudzey101 wrote: »

it was a genuine garda he rang from my local station and i recognized his name tho

it's possible that this chancer got someone to impersonate the local Garda, either way I would not let that go...

bilbot79

BreadnBuddha wrote: »

Are you for real?

You bought it for 1200 below market value, had to spend 700 getting it fixed leaving you 500 all in, still below market value.

Moneywise, you did okay.

On the other hand you bought a car privately, took it as some kind of reassurance that the seller said it was perfect and it was all checked by a mechanic, as though that means anything at all. It doesn't.

I'm a professional kite flier. My kittens are radioactive. Chuck Norris is chained up in my basement. He wasn't that hard to beat into submission. My airplane is in perfect working order, really. I had it checked by an aeromagical mechanic. You should buy it and believe everything I'm telling you, okay?

Yeah. You get the point.

Take that bitter pill yourself. Swallow it and let it pass. Live and learn.

OP, they bought the car. Her own fault (as it was with Bilbo here) not bringing a mechanic themselves to check it out. Her Da thinking he's Edd China's long lost cousin and her thinking she's Mike Brewers wheeler dealer..eh...ing love child is their own fantasy.

You have your money and they have their car. That's the end of it. Learn the lesson and buy a burner sim when you sell a car. No messing with asshats like yer wan next time. A tenner well spent.

I knew I was probably getting a dud and the fact it was cheap gave me enough space to fix any problems. I knew that.

The point was that even when people know the car they are selling is bad they can still say it's fine. The OP may well have known his car was a dud but doesn't care. If that was the case, I find it immoral even if it's not illegal. I don't know if it was though

Jesus.

testicle wrote: »

Report that Garda to GSOC.

All this talk about reporting the Cop & ringing his Sergeant etc is fine in theory but is it worth having a pissed off Cop on your ass for as long as he's in your local Barracks? The OP might be in a rural area & the last thing you need is to give the law an excuse to hassle you.

Kristopherus

Jesus. wrote: »

All this talk about reporting the Cop & ringing his Sergeant etc is fine in theory but is it worth having a pissed off Cop on your ass for as long as he's in your local Barracks? The OP might be in a rural area & the last thing you need is to give the law an excuse to hassle you.

+1000. Far better to have a quiet life well away from the law.

Atlantic Dawn

Jesus. wrote: »

All this talk about reporting the Cop & ringing his Sergeant etc is fine in theory but is it worth having a pissed off Cop on your ass for as long as he's in your local Barracks? The OP might be in a rural area & the last thing you need is to give the law an excuse to hassle you.

I think it would be worse to let it go and have the Garda feel that he has you under his thumb by his abuse of power, it's things like this that got the dodgy goings on in Donegal going. What hassle can they do without it coming back on them?

testicle

TheShow wrote: »

GSOC probably already know... :-)

They're on boards? ;-)

Jesus. wrote: »

All this talk about reporting the Cop & ringing his Sergeant etc is fine in theory but is it worth having a pissed off Cop on your ass for as long as he's in your local Barracks? The OP might be in a rural area & the last thing you need is to give the law an excuse to hassle you.

Hi Guard!

Jesus.

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

What hassle can they do without it coming back on them?

Anything they want. You'd have to be watching your step 24/7 if you knew you had a rogue Cop on your ass with a score to settle. Talk about crossing your T's & dotting your I's. You wouldn't be able to look sideways at someone without the possibility of him seizing his chance at revenge. The OP should carefully consider this before deciding to take this further. Personally I'd just leave it. More hassle than its worth.

Atlantic Dawn

Jesus. wrote: »

Anything they want. You'd have to be watching your step 24/7 if you knew you had a rogue Cop on your ass with a score to settle. Talk about crossing your T's & dotting your I's. You wouldn't be able to look sideways at someone without the possibility of him seizing his chance at revenge. The OP should carefully consider this before deciding to take this further. Personally I'd just leave it. More hassle than its worth.

They have been thick enough to initiate a call with the OP from the Garda Station phone regarding the car, how would they explain what they were talking about. I would go out of my way to press the matter, nothing worse than a dodgy Garda to ruin the name of the majority of the rest of them who do a good job.

Sam Quentin

Did ever think about just having a nice civil conversation with the woman and explaining to her the law, and how you are a decent clean living man(I assume)and that her accusations are totally unfounded and disrespectful......

Cookie_Monster

Jesus. wrote: »

Anything they want. You'd have to be watching your step 24/7 if you knew you had a rogue Cop on your ass with a score to settle. Talk about crossing your T's & dotting your I's. You wouldn't be able to look sideways at someone without the possibility of him seizing his chance at revenge. The OP should carefully consider this before deciding to take this further. Personally I'd just leave it. More hassle than its worth.

Or they might get educated by the Super and do their job properly and not progress further down the self interest road.

You make your utter disdain of authority well known on here and the above is hilariously OTT.

Cabaal

Jesus. wrote: »

Anything they want. You'd have to be watching your step 24/7 if you knew you had a rogue Cop on your ass with a score to settle. Talk about crossing your T's & dotting your I's. You wouldn't be able to look sideways at someone without the possibility of him seizing his chance at revenge. The OP should carefully consider this before deciding to take this further. Personally I'd just leave it. More hassle than its worth.

and this is why corruption in this country continuous and then we bitch and moan about why nothing changes
:rolleyes:

Vicxas

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Did ever think about just having a nice civil conversation with the woman and explaining to her the law, and how you are a decent clean living man(I assume)and that her accusations are totally unfounded and disrespectful......

No way that would work, they want money from him. There will be nothing civil about it.

TheShow

The guard is obviously an acquaintance of the buyer. If he rings again ask for his full details and why he thinks guards should be wasting their time running personal errands for friends that have no founding. Advise him that you'll be taking this up with his super nintendo. Up to you if you actually follow through on it.
You sold the car in good faith, the buyer carried out the relevant inspections and brought her "mechanic" dad along who also inspected it. She willingly handed over the cash after making an informed decision. Caveat Emptor. Also, you cant be held responsible for how she treated/mistreated the car after the purchase.
End Of.

StereoSound

Some of the posters here sound like they are afraid to complain about a garda in fear of retaliation. If your right about somthing then do the right thing. We are not in Mexico or South Africa here....

Agent Smyth

I would be more inclined to go to the guards about this, find out if a guard actually called you and why they felt the reason too.
If it turns out not to be a guard then its on file in the station should this woman and her father decide to take this mater further.

Toyotafanboi

StereoSound wrote: »

Some of the posters here sound like they are afraid to complain about a garda in fear of retaliation. If your right about somthing then do the right thing. We are not in Mexico or South Africa here....

have you not seen "Making a Murderer"? :pac:

am i the only one wondering is this OP's e46 320d being moved on again that they swapped a Passat for a month ago and did something come a cropper :P?

PrettyBoy

pudzey101 wrote: »

Anyway got a phone-call about an hour later from the guards saying the woman wasn't happy etc etc and all i could basically say is the deal was done back in December why only ring now and it was a private sale .

Did you get the guards name or badge number? I'd like to think that no guard in their right mind would be stupid enough to do what you are claiming. I'd imagine it was someone impersonating a guard in an attempt to intimidate you which is another matter altogether. In any case I'd contact your local station and report the woman and the supposed guard involved.

endacl

Jesus. wrote: »

You'd have to be watching your step 24/7 if you knew you had a rogue Cop on your ass with a score to settle.

Reads like an early 90s straight to video movie pitch.

cml387

Remember that there was some mention of a false tax disc (I'm not for one moment suggesting that the OP had anything to do with it).

Possibly this is why there is Garda interest.

Cabaal

Cabaal wrote: »

and this is why corruption in this country continuous and then we bitch and moan about why nothing changes
:rolleyes:

You won't be laughing when you are bagged some morning driving to work when the guards friend tips him off you were out the night before or something.

Never rattle the cage when it comes to these things.

Also Irish people like to think we are a corrupt country while people from abroad are laughing at us for thinking we are even getting close to most actual corrupt countries.

Atlantic Dawn

Carolyn Muscular Snap wrote: »

You won't be laughing when you are bagged some morning driving to work when the guards friend tips him off you were out the night before or something.

Never rattle the cage when it comes to these things.

Eh you would be breaking the law either way and it would be good that you would be stopped.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Eh you would be breaking the law either way and it would be good that you would be stopped.

Yeah it would be good to get stopped alright :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It was just an example, always better to be on the right side with a local guard never know when it will be helpful/won't cause you hassle of you aren't.

Caliden

I doubt it was a real Garda. Most likely a shake down to try get you to admit something.

That car could have been dogged since it was sold. If they wanted a guarantee they should've gone to a dealer.

Agent Smyth

Don't be a fool, go to the Guards