Sold Car , Problems with buyer today

visual

Not accusing you of anything but DD is full of chancers posing as genuine private sellers.
They don't know the history of the car fix it up quickly and if that means clearing the faults fake nct disk they do it. If that is disconnecting brake pads wear indicator or covering removing bulb it's a quick flip buyer beware seller disappears.

It like the rationale for hiding reg plate doesn't want someone using reg on clone vehicle etc

But it more to do with nct can be checked on line
Or if it is more expensive to hide it's import or mileage.

I personally don't care about tax dodging but 1 lady owner contact mick 085 xxxxx meet in car park cash sale it's not for me.

Much better to buy form owner who had the car for a while. You know who they are by name on log book at the address registered. They know you because your name is put in log book

I don't expect any car to be perfect but I expect the seller to be honest and genuine. Agree price and that's it. I take car and seller has cash.
No warranty implied or given.

I don't expect fraud discover car is under HP or stolen etc... there was a lot of cars bought by forged bankers draft sold in car parks for cash only to be returned to original owner and buyer left out of pocket.

I'm sure the is some genuine sellers but the odds are stacked against a buyer meeting genuine seller with disposable SIM in car park selling for someone else

Toyotafanboi

visual wrote: »

I'm sure the is some genuine sellers but the odds are stacked against a buyer meeting genuine seller with disposable SIM in car park selling for someone else

honestly, imo an awful awful lot of it is the consumer leaving themselves wide open to being had.

typical attitude is, something like

- i know **** all about cars, but i really like that Golf
- i'l bring my dad who'l pretent to be a mechanic on the day who'l pretent to dip the spark plugs for coolant
- i'l pay in cash and not worry because i heard somewhere before that consumer rights applies to all car sales
- everything will be fine, it's a VW, german engineering, vorsprung durch technik
- drives home, engine falls out and it's a previous Cat C write off
- now it's the sellers fault. they may or may not have known, you can't prove it, you are snookered.
- a mechanic and a motorcheck would have prevented all this irrespective of what name is on the logbook and whether it is or isn't the person selling the car

look, even if you are only spending €1000 on a banger, what's €75 to protect your investment? you rent a mechanic for an hour for €50 and you spend €25 on a motorcheck, then your arse is about as covered as it can be, but yet virtually nobody does it and for some reason, this is the sellers fault? Take reasonable precaution to protect yourself and your finances and the "con-men" cant get you.

there'l always be villans if we allow ourselves so easily to become victims.

Henry Ford III

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

to give a good and genuine example, that i've experienced.

my mothers cars; she up until recently drove cheap enough cars and we would always move them on privately. my parents were together 30 years before they married, so my mother still has her maiden name on most of her paperwork, mostly for convenience sake. her car is in the name "Mary Byrne" and when she is trading up, i would generally look after selling her old car as my 50 odd year old mother isn't very good at it. I don't live at home and naturally took my fathers last name so my name is "Toyota Fanboy" and i am selling a car in the name of a female with a different second name to my own at an address that isn't the one registered on the logbook.

but it's entirely legit, but would you ever believe it? no.

another;

when i bought my Corolla, the chap was as honest as the day is long. He told me straight up he works for a main dealership during the day and he would personally purchase most of their trade sale stuff and dickie it up and sell it on himself. the garage trusted him and were happy and he's happy to make a few quid. he says look, it was traded in at "x" garage, i bought it, fitted two tyres, got the headlights focused, had it valeted and NCT'd it. it's there, it's €x euros, it's like any private deal, it's sold as seen. It does seem like a good car, i can't see any outstanding issues with it, but i don't know of it's past.

he was honest, i knew what i was getting into. the car was absolutely fine, 12 months later all it failed it's next NCT on was a seized caliper, 15k miles later, hardly his fault.

maybe he's dodging the taxman, but what's the harm there, really?

private individuals often deal in second hand phones, laptops and tablets, white goods and appliances, even animals and pets and we are happy to buy second hand with unknown history. why are we so bent out of shape when someone deals in second hand cars privately? it's just like any other consumer good.

i'm not saying there aren't dodgy characters out there, clocking cars, printing fake NCT certs, removing check engine light bulbs etc, but there isn't really anything inherently out of line by flipping a few used cars, is there?

I think I'd pass on those tbh.

First one would have a potentially dodgy title (can you sign for your Mum?), and the second one - I'd sooner have no part of tax evasion.

Toyotafanboi

Henry Ford III wrote: »

I think I'd pass on those tbh.

First one would have a potentially dodgy title (can you sign for your Mum?), and the second one - I'd sooner have no part of tax evasion.

well that's totally your call to make.

i don't have to sign for my mother, she's still alive and has the use of her hands, when the new owner fills out their details, i can pop the logbook back to mam who can sign it herself and pop it in the post.

very moral of you to want to have no part in tax evasion, but it's frankly none of your business. it's unlikely, but you don't know he's not declaring it.

if you ever get a tradesman around to your house, when you pay him, do you always say "make sure you lodge that now like a good man, don't just put it under the mattress".

even if you buy from a dealer, you don't know if that particular sale is going to be fully above board if you pay cash.

saying you'd walk because the seller may not pay tax on the transaction is pitiful imo.

Henry Ford III

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

well that's totally your call to make.

i don't have to sign for my mother, she's still alive and has the use of her hands, when the new owner fills out their details, i can pop the logbook back to mam who can sign it herself and pop it in the post.

very moral of you to want to have no part in tax evasion, but it's frankly none of your business. it's unlikely, but you don't know he's not declaring it.

if you ever get a tradesman around to your house, when you pay him, do you always say "make sure you lodge that now like a good man, don't just put it under the mattress".

even if you buy from a dealer, you don't know if that particular sale is going to be fully above board if you pay cash.

saying you'd walk because the seller may not pay tax on the transaction is pitiful imo.

I'd want to see the VLC signed and posted, and be given a copy of it, and it's very much part of my business if I suspect fraud is going on. I'm the buyer after all.

But as you rightly said it'd be totally my call to make.

goochy

Toyotafanbio , your attitude to tax evasion is so Irish and is why we are one of the least law complaint countries in Europe.

visual

Blaming the victims sums it up.

They are taking things at face value know little about cars tippex TB and service at xxx miles on cam cover. Seller telling porkies.

You wouldn't be so happy if you got handed fake notes and didn't spot it until later.
You be first to check what name was put in log book and the number they phone from.

pudzey101

All sorted now can this be deleted

Toyotafanboi

visual wrote: »

Blaming the victims sums it up.

They are taking things at face value know little about cars tippex TB and service at xxx miles on cam cover. Seller telling porkies.

You wouldn't be so happy if you got handed fake notes and didn't spot it until later.
You be first to check what name was put in log book and the number they phone from.

yeah, if the victim left themselves wide open, they are to blame. we have a certain amount of personal responsibility in this life and if we were all a bit more savvy it would make being "a criminal" much more difficult and a much less desirable sport. For the same reason insurance companies don't pay out for a stolen car if you left the keys in it. if you don't take reasonable precaution against stupid **** happening to you, why wouldn't it happen.

taking things at face value because you don't know isn't really ok. "ignorance is not an excuse".

when i need a health check, i go to a GP
when i'm buying a house, i hire a surveyor
etc etc

when i'm buying a car, i know nothing and hope for the best...

it doesn't really stack up as an argument.

of course, you're right, i wouldn't be happy if i got fake notes, but i'm responsible and check them. it's only logical, all you have to do is look at the note, it doesn't make more than a split second.

and yes i absolutely do google the phone number of cars i'm going to view. it's just a logical precaution.

we are living in such a culture of "i'm not liable"... there must be an organisation, or forum or injuries board somewhere to take responsibility and look after my ass for my own stupid mistakes.

if you go into something you know **** all about and take no precautions, you are going to have a bad time. it's basic human instinct if nothing else.

eringobragh

pudzey101 wrote: »

All sorted now can this be deleted

What was the outcome?

Henry Ford III

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

....we have a certain amount of personal responsibility in this life.....

That'd include paying taxes on all income presumably?

pudzey101

Can a mod delete this thread for me please

Toyotafanboi

Henry Ford III wrote: »

That'd include paying taxes on all income presumably?

absolutely.

but by the time the notes are in my bank account or in my wallet, i've paid tax on them.

when i hand them to the seller, they become his income and it's up to him whether he pays tax on them or not, frankly, his business not mine. i can't see it affecting the karma of the inanimate piece of machinery i have just bought.

OldMrBrennan83

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tanko

pudzey101 wrote: »

Can a mod delete this thread for me please

At least tell us whether or not it was a guard that rang you?

Toyotafanboi

Patww79 wrote: »

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i wouldn't think so. i've sold countless cars and as a seller, i've never once (well actually, just once) had a buyer call me back and say the car was giving trouble. the one time it did happen was with a €150 car, so that'l give you an idea of the kind of knuckle dragger you are dealing with at that price point.

i've also bought more cars than i care to think about. most have went off without a hitch and wen't on to give months or years of good service. i don't think i've ever been properly duped with an car and all i do is abide by a few simple rules, do a motorcheck, google the number, view the sellers other ads, google known issues with that particular car.

it's easy when you hang around here to form bad opinions as people only ever take the negative **** to the internet. thousands of effortless, genuine transactions happen every single day, it's just that nobody signs up to boards.ie to say "i bought a car in tescos car park 12 months ago from a man with an 089 number and everything went absolutely fine".

pudzey101

No lads no guards involved sorted out with the girl over the phone

OldMrBrennan83

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Duke O Smiley

Patww79 wrote: »

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+1

Obviously none of our business and if the guy doesn't want to share thats his own prerogative but helping them fuels their flawed self-entitled ideology which fcuking gets me

dr.fuzzenstein

Henry Ford III wrote: »

That'd include paying taxes on all income presumably?

That's not how that works here. In Germany maybe, because taxes there are levied to keep the country going, while here its a case of "ah Jaysis, I'll be shcrewing that bashtard for every cent I can get".
The fact is that many people here are, well not quite crooks, but you certainly have to cut every corner to survive. Because the state knows that fact, taxes are deliberately set too high to compensate for the evasion. So with a certain level of trickery, you're actually paying the right amount. If you are now being German about it and declare even a penny found in the street to be absolutely sure the state gets every single cent you owe them, you are in fact overpaying. Actually forget it, the same goes for Germany and everywhere else. The state wants to screw you to the max and if you let them, you won't get any thanks or help when you need care in your old age and the home costs €3k a month. Fcuk 'em, they'll only piss it away on rich bankers, vanity projects and election promises.

goochy

U repulse me ! You represent everything that's wrong with this country !

Bigus

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That's not how that works here. In Germany maybe, because taxes there are levied to keep the country going, while here its a case of "ah Jaysis, I'll be shcrewing that bashtard for every cent I can get".
The fact is that many people here are, well not quite crooks, but you certainly have to cut every corner to survive. Because the state knows that fact, taxes are deliberately set too high to compensate for the evasion. So with a certain level of trickery, you're actually paying the right amount. If you are now being German about it and declare even a penny found in the street to be absolutely sure the state gets every single cent you owe them, you are in fact overpaying. Actually forget it, the same goes for Germany and everywhere else. The state wants to screw you to the max and if you let them, you won't get any thanks or help when you need care in your old age and the home costs €3k a month. Fcuk 'em, they'll only piss it away on rich bankers, vanity projects and election promises.

I had a respectable German buying a car for export to Germany and he wanted me to invoice it a 1/3 of the actual price , so it's naive to think the irish are the only ones trying to stroke ,

come to think of it , the Germans were caught royally in Costa deal sol having bought property for up undeclared cash.

wilser

goochy wrote: »

U repulse me ! You represent everything that's wrong with this country !

Jaysis I was going to suggest he run for government. He'd get my vote anyway

power pants

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

Private sale tough ****
Harsh yes but reality

If you don't want to play with the big boys i.e adults then go to a dealer and pay a nice premium to him for the same car

Indeed. I was going to buy a car of a forummer of here. Car looked alright had full service history and receipts for this and that. Fresh NCT on it too

Price was a little high but I was happy to purchase but as im not a mechanic I brought it to a garage for them to check it out

he took me aside and said the car is ****ed, run away.

Sure enough the poster posted here about the catastrophic issues he was then experiencing.

I dont for one minute think he knew his car was a lemmon but if I had bought the lemon it would have been my fault and problemand not his

Tigger

I sorta agree with Tfb here, if they are honest that they are selling cars on the side but just don't wanna pay tax;well that's between Revenue and them and Revenue are crazy powerful so its fair enough.
but if they are buying sh!teboxes and lying then they are gombeens and are ripping off civilians, i don't like that but if you look after your own affairs,;bring someone who knows their stuff and do a motor check, all is good.

screamer

Latest on donedeal I've noticed is card with number plates removed or blanked out. I don't care how much of a bargain they might be id not even look into them.

I can understand not wanting people at your house- pay you at 5pm and break in and steal it back at 5am. But wasnt there also a case of a guy in kildare who went to meet someone with his car and was beaten up and left in the side of the road and car stolen........ buying and selling cars is a minefield really.

OldMrBrennan83

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Tigger

last guy i bought a car off brought two makes with him but to my home.
all got on fine wrote up a contract signed the thing went to the post box together and took pics of each others licenses
his mate actually bought my old car off me a week later
you can tell a lot by meeting people

Valetta

Patww79 wrote: »

I blanked mine as I didn't want my plates cloned for speeding fines or M50 tolls. Once a caller seemed genuine I gave them the plate to run checks. Not fool proof but it helps.

Don't understand this at all.

Your car is on the road every day with the plates in full view.

How is having them shown in an ad any different?

OldMrBrennan83

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Valetta

Patww79 wrote: »

It's different because I am not allowed hide them while I'm on the road but I am allowed hide them in an ad. That lessens the odds of a shady ****er seeing them and I'd imagine there's more shady ****ers browsing DD in a day than I happen to pass on the road.
If someone is interested, in this day and age of free calls, they'll ring. I've no problem giving it out then.

But.... Why would someone wanting to clone a car go on to done deal , when there's a whole world of cars out on the road with all the info there for free.

OldMrBrennan83

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Harcrid

Valetta wrote: »

But.... Why would someone wanting to clone a car go on to done deal , when there's a whole world of cars out on the road with all the info there for free.

Because when you clone a car you pick the plates from a car that's the same model year and colour as the one you want to clone. Easier to put those details into Done deal than wait outside on the road waiting for a car with the combination you need to pass.

screamer

Harcrid wrote: »

Because when you clone a car you pick the plates from a car that's the same model year and colour as the one you want to clone. Easier to put those details into Done deal than wait outside on the road waiting for a car with the combination you need to pass.

Wow amazing what lengths people go to. But cloning plates is a huge problem even if it's the wrong vehicle colour make etc if they issue points or fined you're screwed it's a court appearance to try prove it's not your car.......

bazz26

Valetta wrote: »

But.... Why would someone wanting to clone a car go on to done deal , when there's a whole world of cars out on the road with all the info there for free.

Cloning reg plates, not the car. For example, scumbag wants to avoid paying tolls or for fuel at filling stations. Goes onto donedeal and looks up cars the same make/model, year and colour as his one. Goes off and gets plates made up and sticks them on his car. Off he goes up and down the M50 or fills up and takes off without paying.

It's not 100% fool proof but it doesn't make life easy for these people either. And if a buyer wants the reg to run a history check on it, then no problem after a quick chat about the car with the seller. Or are people spending lots of money just doing history checks on cars they might have an interest in on donedeal without at least first ringing the seller and asking a few simple questions about?

dr.fuzzenstein

bazz26 wrote: »

Cloning reg plates, not the car. For example, scumbag wants to avoid paying tolls or for fuel at filling stations. Goes onto donedeal and looks up cars the same make/model, year and colour as his one. Goes off and gets plates made up and sticks them on his car. Off he goes up and down the M50 or fills up and takes off without paying.

It's not 100% fool proof but it doesn't make life easy for these people either. And if a buyer wants the reg to run a history check on it, then no problem after a quick chat about the car with the seller. Or are people spending lots of money just doing history checks on cars they might have an interest in on donedeal without at least first ringing the seller and asking a few simple questions about?

Well, if someone wants to compare a lot of cars quickly, he/she won't have time to ring a dozen different sellers and chat to them about the weather. And not everyone has free calls and may have to ring from Skype and since a lot of people also have some kind of mental illness about private numbers, reg hide is an automatic "Next!" to me.

OldMrBrennan83

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bazz26

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Well, if someone wants to compare a lot of cars quickly, he/she won't have time to ring a dozen different sellers and chat to them about the weather. And not everyone has free calls and may have to ring from Skype and since a lot of people also have some kind of mental illness about private numbers, reg hide is an automatic "Next!" to me.

A car history report costs a lot more than the price of a phone call. A 3 minute phone call could help weed out the necessity of paying for a fair number of them too.

dr.fuzzenstein

NCT check is free though?

bazz26

That doesn't give you much though. Full history and finance check is around twenty odd euro.

visual

bazz26 wrote: »

Cloning reg plates, not the car. For example, scumbag wants to avoid paying tolls or for fuel at filling stations. Goes onto donedeal and looks up cars the same make/model, year and colour as his one. Goes off and gets plates made up and sticks them on his car. Off he goes up and down the M50 or fills up and takes off without paying.

It's not 100% fool proof but it doesn't make life easy for these people either. And if a buyer wants the reg to run a history check on it, then no problem after a quick chat about the car with the seller. Or are people spending lots of money just doing history checks on cars they might have an interest in on donedeal without at least first ringing the seller and asking a few simple questions about?

It is easy to check the NCT online for free if you know the Reg. number.
you would be very surprised at the number that claimed to have NCT that don't especially at the bottom end of the market.

Atlantic Dawn

There's some buyers who do zero checks, they don't check who actually owns the car, they don't verify who is actually selling the car, don't check chassis number matches VLC, they don't run a history check, they don't do any NCT cert verification and then when things go wrong and they get ripped off they wonder why.

visual

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

There's some buyers who do zero checks, they don't check who actually owns the car, they don't verify who is actually selling the car, don't check chassis number matches VLC, they don't run a history check, they don't do any NCT cert verification and then when things go wrong and they get ripped off they wonder why.

Doing all these checks has become necessary because of unsavoury sellers.
not everyone has experience of buying selling cars or realises Caveat Emptor is the legal standing and morals don't count.

I feel sorry for the guy or girl that buys a nice looking car has taken the seller word for everything then when car end up in garage discovers it is a polished turd and they have been lied to.