Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

Gamebred

gctest50 wrote: »

I'm not making any claims - i've nothing to prove

unlike this post :

Look its not a court house here cut the bs,if you want to believe that the signed fighters to Daniel Kinahans promotion dont know there is a suspected link with organised crime thats ok,have a good night.

Supernintento Chalmers

Gamebred wrote: »

Look its not a court house here cut the bs,if you want to believe that the signed fighters to Daniel Kinahans promotion dont know there is a suspected link with organised crime thats ok,have a good night.

Enough about all this.

I want to hear more about The Lobster.

Sunnyisland

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

Enough about all this.

I want to hear more about The Lobster.

He is hiding out in the local shell garage.dont think he will get crap ed soon.

gctest50

Gamebred wrote: »

Look its not a court house here cut the bs,if you want to believe that the signed fighters to Daniel Kinahans promotion dont know there is a suspected link with organised crime thats ok,have a good night.

If you are so sure of this, would you paste up your name and address ?

Supernintento Chalmers

realies wrote: »

He is hiding out in the local shell garage.dont think he will get crap ed soon.

Got his nickname cos he was always pinching stuff.

Collie D

realies wrote: »

He is hiding out in the local shell garage.dont think he will get crap ed soon.

Get out

KERSPLAT!

gctest50 wrote: »

If you are so sure of this, would you paste up your name and address ?

No one will be posting any names and/or addresses thanks

Hammer89

arayess wrote: »

but witnesses said gunmen were shouting in thick dublin accents so it would suggest they be local(ish)

One man we can definitely rule out is Kevin Spacey so.

ArmaniJeanss

CIRA claims it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35523444

flanzer

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

CIRA claims it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35523444

If that's the case, sh!t just got real.

masti123

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

CIRA claims it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35523444

Well, if this guy's to be belived:

In a statement to the BBC, a man claiming to speak on behalf of the leadership of the Continuity IRA said its members were responsible.
He claimed Mr Byrne was targeted because he had been involved in the killing of Alan Ryan in Dublin four years ago.
Ryan, 32, was a leading member of another dissident republican group, the Real IRA. He was shot dead in September 2012.

So... CIRA are on the same side as the RIRA?

Dyr

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

CIRA claims it.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35523444

Well someone claims the CIRA have claimed it

SEPT 23 1989

they couldn't get to him in the last four years?

very strange

ArmaniJeanss

masti123 wrote: »

Well, if this guy's to be belived:

Bambi wrote: »

Well someone claims the CIRA have claimed it

Fair points. Though I would like to believe that the BBC wouldn't publish the claim unless a known codeword had been used in the communication.

smash

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Fair points. Though I would like to believe that the BBC wouldn't publish the claim unless a known codeword had been used in the communication.

Are you red fox? ... I have a message for you...

Conall Cernach

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Fair points. Though I would like to believe that the BBC wouldn't publish the claim unless a known codeword had been used in the communication.

In the last five or 6 years the CIRA have split into at least 3 factions one of whom doesn't really do much, another that got involved in criminality but whose leadership were all arrested 18 months or so ago and yet one other that is a full on criminal gang.

Augme

The CIRA claim all seems quite strange. You'd think that the photos of two of the lads would clear it up quite quickly. I also find it very hard to believe that after 4 years they have decided now is the time to get revenge. Chances are they were paid to make the claim or just did it for the attention.

From the BBC article

The CIRA spokesman who issued the statement to the BBC provided a code word, but there is no way to independently verify this claim.

Dyr

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

they couldn't get to him in the last four years?

very strange

The CIRA have been moribund for years, then they suddenly manage to pull this off?

JustTheOne

Bambi wrote: »

The CIRA have been moribund for years, then they suddenly manage to pull this off?

Sure groups are always recruiting etc.

I'd say this claim is legit. There was bound to be some sort of revenge.

Titzon Toast

I wouldn't say the bold Gerry will be too pleased at this announcement, what with him being out on the campaign trail and all.

NIMAN

I'm surprised that for such a well planned operation, they ran away with their faces on full view.

kfallon

Titzon Toast wrote: »

I wouldn't say the bold Gerry will be too pleased at this announcement, what with him being out on the campaign trail and all.

What's it got to do with him?

Supernintento Chalmers

kfallon wrote: »

What's it got to do with him?

Possible involvement of ex-Provos.
Possible use of Provo acquired weapons.

Doesn't help their election when it comes to attracting new voters who don't approve of their past.

SEPT 23 1989

gardai are puzzled by the latest developments

Supernintento Chalmers

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

gardai are puzzled by the latest developments

They seem to have remained puzzled throughout

josephryan1989

Titzon Toast wrote: »

I wouldn't say the bold Gerry will be too pleased at this announcement, what with him being out on the campaign trail and all.

The CIRA and other dissident republicans are going to use the run up to the anniversary of the 1916 Rising to make a political point.

Daniel Kinahan, the son of mob boss Christy Kinahan, was the chief target of the Regency Hotel operation although David Byrne was killed.

Taking him out would in their eyes give them legitimacy at time when the Gardaí appear overwhelmed by a surge in crime especially during a general election campaign when dissident republicans are heavily involved in anti-water protests.

Of course the dissidents fund themselves through criminality and don't seem to be as keen to die for Ireland or do hard time for a political cause when they can live playboy lifestyles off the misery of families affected by drugs.

Gamebred

Yeah Im not believing the CIRA done this,it smacks of desperation on their behalf trying to sound relevant in the crimeworld now,there is always informers there was at least 6 people involved,there was faces seen too,the Identity will get out sooner rather than later imo.

Dyr

JustTheOne wrote: »

Sure groups are always recruiting etc.

I'd say this claim is legit. There was bound to be some sort of revenge.

For yer man Ryan, who was in the Real IRA not the continuity IRA, and was shot four years ago?

The various dissos can't seem to fart without the security forces knowing about it. What are the odds on them managing this?

Titzon Toast

kfallon wrote: »

What's it got to do with him?

Did I say it had anything to do with him?
He'll be doing his nut right now, for the reasons someone else posted above.

Guy:Incognito

Presumably this will lead to a spate of memes where the cira claim responsibility for various terrprist attacks around the world ? ☺

Supernintento Chalmers

RE Why this might bother Adams.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/news/taoiseach-calls-on-gerry-adams-to-clarify-if-regency-attack-weapons-are-similar-to-those-of-ira-34433501.html

Gamebred

Pathetic from the leader of our country smearing Adams,its the default response to Sinn Fein by the government just wheel out the ira and sabotage any policy discussion SF are trying to debate,


Its funny the papers are saying its a foreign hit squad,must of done some good practicing on their Dublin accents ffs,paper never refuses ink as they say.

jimmycrackcorm

Gamebred wrote:

Its funny the papers are saying its a foreign hit squad,must of done some good practicing on their Dublin accents ffs,paper never refuses ink as they say.

Isn't the North foreign?

ohnonotgmail

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

RE Why this might bother Adams.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/news/taoiseach-calls-on-gerry-adams-to-clarify-if-regency-attack-weapons-are-similar-to-those-of-ira-34433501.html

all that succeeds in doing is making the taoiseach sound like an eejit. Unless it has "Property of the IRA" stamped on it how can gerry possibly answer that question?

Supernintento Chalmers

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

all that succeeds in doing is making the taoiseach sound like an eejit. Unless it has "Property of the IRA" stamped on it how can gerry possibly answer that question?

It will probably succeed in costing SF a few votes.
Agreed it's a cheap shot though.

Cienciano

Gamebred wrote: »

Pathetic from the leader of our country smearing Adams,its the default response to Sinn Fein by the government just wheel out the ira and sabotage any policy discussion SF are trying to debate,

If Gerry Adams can't handle that, it's time to leave politics. It's what political parties do, take pot shots at each other. This was a particularly weak one that anyone with an ounce of intelligence could easily deflect

ohnonotgmail

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

It will probably succeed in costing SF a few votes.
Agreed it's a cheap shot though.

I cant see anything like this putting off your typical SF voter.

Gamebred

The papers havent a clue either who done this,ive browsed 3 or 4 sites there and the stories on all them are different,they just print anything and add in ''according to a source'' nothing new but its always funny none the less.

Saint Sonner

Sorry haven't time to go through whole thread. Where did the pictures come from?

Pre and post shooting - ballsy to be taking photos off the killers?

HeidiHeidi

Saint Sonner wrote: »

Sorry haven't time to go through whole thread. Where did the pictures come from?

Pre and post shooting - ballsy to be taking photos off the killers?

Tune in to Liveline. All the journos being interrogated by Joe as we speak.

Irelandcool

Terror cells will often claim to commit attacks they had zero involvement in. Even if something is accidental or carried out by someone else they will still claim responibility for something they didn't do. Also it could be just organized crime trying to throw investigators of their tracks.

ohnonotgmail

Saint Sonner wrote: »

Sorry haven't time to go through whole thread. Where did the pictures come from?

Pre and post shooting - ballsy to be taking photos off the killers?

the post shooting shots of the killers leaving were taken by a sunday world tog who was there to cover the weigh-in.

Gamebred

ISIS will be taking responsibilty next.

seamus

Ah I'd give them some credit on this. The CIRA have the motive, they're in the correct location, and the hardware and tactics kind of fit. Seems plausible to me.

FalconGirl

Jesus, this couldn't have come at a better time for FG. Pathetic to see Kenny using it straight away for political gain. FG spin doctors are snakey as fook.

Gamebred

Sunday World got a call claiming it was cira yet not code word was used.

JustTheOne

FalconGirl wrote: »

Jesus, this couldn't have come at a better time for FG. Pathetic to see Kenny using it straight away for political gain. FG spin doctors are snakey as fook.

Yes because no other political parties ever try to use events for political gains.

josephryan1989

Just a bit of history to explain what we are dealing with here:

The Irish Volunteers were created in 1913 in reaction to creation of the Ulster Volunteer Force but split in 1914 with the National Volunteers mostly joining the British Army to fight in World War I while the smaller faction still calling themselves the Irish Volunteers refused. A faction of the Irish Volunteers led by Patrick Pearse took part in the 1916 Rising alongside the Irish Citizen Army led by James Connolly.

In 1917 the Irish Volunteers became the Irish Republican Army and it fought the War of Independence from 1919 to 1921 before it split over the Anglo-Irish Treaty. The Pro-Treaty IRA became the National Army which is today called the Irish Defence Forces.

The Anti-Treaty IRA later simply called itself the IRA after their defeat in the Irish Civil War in 1923.
Eamon De Valera and his followers created Fianna Fáil in 1926 and abandoned Sinn Féin and the IRA before he was elected Taoiseach in 1932.

The IRA refused to recognize either Northern Ireland or the Irish Free State which later became the Republic of Ireland in 1949.

In 1930s the Republican Congress was made up of Communists who left the IRA and formed their own political group while the IRA was pro-German during WW2 and hoped that if Hitler won he would give Ireland unity.

In the 1950s Saor Uladh broke away and launched its own armed campaign along the border with Northern Ireland but later returned to the IRA when the Border Campaign began in the later 1950s before it ended in the early 1960s.

Saor Eire broke away from the IRA in 1967 led by a group of radical socialists and remained active until 1975.

The IRA split in 1969 with the Provisional IRA led by young Northern Irish leaders breaking away from the older Dublin led Official IRA leadership.

The Official IRA known as the Stickies remained active until 1972 when it declared a ceasefire. They rejected the hard line Catholic Nationalism of the Provisionals or "Provos" and adopted a Revolutionary Marxist ideology with its political wing calling itself Official Sinn Féin. The Stickies and the Provos regularly killed one another. They eventually became the Workers Party with Pat Rabitte and Eamon Gilmore becoming leading members and then Democratic Left. After the end of the Soviet Union and the Cold War eventually its members became supporters of the Labour Party when they moved away from paramilitarism and abandoned the extreme Left. Rabbitte and Gilmore both became leaders of the Labour Party.

The INLA broke away from the Official IRA in 1974 and fought for a supposed Marxist Revolution but were more interested in shooting each other and fighting the IRA than attacking the British. It eventually simply became a criminal organization involved in robbery and drug dealing before being wound up. Their political wing the IRSP lost many key leaders who were assassinated or left and today the party contests elections but polls poorly and takes part in protests like the anti-water protests and the like.

The Provisional IRA was the armed wing of the Provisional Sinn Féin party and the main opponent of the British during the Troubles.
Since the 1994 ceasefire and the official end of the Troubles in 1998 and 2005 when it officially disarmed it is no longer involved in an armed struggle but ex-provos are now heavily involved in legitimate business activity and organized crime especially the illegal fuel industry and smuggled cigarettes. The provos are now just another Mafia but maintain close ties with Gerry Adams and Sinn Féin.

The Continuity IRA broke away from the Provos in 1986 and had a political wing calling itself Republican Sinn Féin. Like the IRSP the RSF has only a tiny level of support however they do have one elected representative Councillor Tomás Ó Curraoin in Connemara.
The Continuity IRA split into the Óglaigh na hÉireann and Saoirse na hÉireann in recent years. Ursula Shannon, a Phd student from Trinity College was sentenced to several years in prison for involvement in an operation to steal weapons from a gun dealer in Offaly and in prison with Rose Lynch who shot an innocent man she was led to believe was involved in the shooting of CIRA member Liam Kenny.

The "Real" IRA split from the Provisional IRA in 1997 and were responsible for the Omagh bomb. Most of its key leaders are in jail and although it has been involved in attacks on police and soldiers and has been involved other bomb attacks it seems to be now primarily involved in criminality and is at war with the organized criminal gangs who refuse to bow down to them. Alan Ryan was killed because he was trying to extort drug dealers associated with mob boss Christy Kinahan's organization.

masti123

I find it weird when people kneejerk blame Gerry Adams and Sinn Féin whenever a dissident Republican attack happens. Yes, Gerry Adams is the head of the Provisional IRA, but the PIRA declared a ceasefire in 1997 on Gerry's orders, and decommissioned it's weapons in 2005. The dissident republicans are called 'dissidents' precisely because they do not obey the traditional IRA command structure, i.e. they don't take orders from Gerry or Sinn Féin.
This misunderstanding is not the public's fault, the media in Ireland is largely controlled by a wealthy tycoon named Denis O'Brien, a man who has a huge inexplicable grudge against Gerry Adams and has every interest in muddying the waters and misinforming the public about the distinction between different republican groups.

Foxhound38

FalconGirl wrote: »

Jesus, this couldn't have come at a better time for FG. Pathetic to see Kenny using it straight away for political gain. FG spin doctors are snakey as fook.

... but the statement was made to the BBC? Also was the CIRA going to beat Fine Gael in the election or something??