Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

coniosumadre

In fairness we are talking The Sun here before I even read it.

chillin117

Fixed
http://www.thesun.ie/irishsol/homepage/news/7190540/Hell-for-Dons-grown-up-girl-She-is-in-constant-fear-that-someone-will-learn-who-her-father-is.html

The Alley Cat

coniosumadre wrote: »

In fairness we are talking The Sun here before I even read it.

I know what you mean man, but I don't find them any better or worse than the rest when it comes to covering crime. It is always just a matter of weeding through the unnecessary stuff to find a few tidbits of interesting and useful info that may or may not be true.

chillin117

The Alley Cat wrote: »

I know what you mean man, but I don't find them any better or worse than the rest when it comes to covering crime. It is always just a matter of weeding through the unnecessary stuff to find a few tidbits of interesting and useful info that may or may not be true.

Sitting on the fence if ever I saw it !:D

Mr. CooL ICE

bajer101 wrote: »

Ah, the bould Bam Bam. Have you considered a career in journalism yourself? You have a remarkable way of not only distorting facts but for just making up shít. You accused me of being friends with drug dealers when all I said was that I knew a lot of them. Anyone who grew up in my area would equally know a lot of people who have sold drugs. While they may not be my friends, and while I would not necessarily admire them, I don't know any one of them who is so petty that they would run crying to report someone who highlighted their bad grammar.

You can report this post too if you want. But to purposely goad someone for a response that you can report says more about you than it does about me. And with that, I will put you on "ignore", as I don't think that you have contributed anything to this thread.

Mod:

You already tried to leave this thread, but can't help returning and posting in an uncivilised manner.



Don't post here again.

The Alley Cat

chillin117 wrote: »

Sitting on the fence if ever I saw it !:D

Well, yes and no.

Muahahaha

humberklog wrote: »

Arrested at the scene (his cousin eventually goes to prison for his part in the same heist), he skips bail, a costly extradition process ensues. He's returned to the jurisdiction and brought to court where he's acquitted.

Nothing to see here...

I wonder do the criminal courts keep transcripts of what was said in court? I'd love to know because all the media have ever reported was 'he was aquitted', we never got to find out exactly why the DPP couldn't pin the armed robbery on him. Which is hard to fathom given his cousin served time for it.

Is there any sort of drug shortage around any part of Dublin because of the feud?

I'd been wondering the same but I haven't heard anything of a drought. Which is also a bit strange to think that we have this massive feud with daylight murders going on and yet all the time in the background it appears the cartels drugs are still managing to get in. It must be a well oiled machine if a feud on this scale isn't even putting a dent on their trafficking activities.

Gadgetman496

Any sign of Gerry at the funeral? I read during the week that he didn't particularly like Gareth, but like a lot of media reports that may or may not be true.

Michael O Toole

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Any sign of Gerry at the funeral? I read during the week that he didn't particularly like Gareth, but like a lot of media reports that may or may not be true.

Nope.

DamienDarts

Michael O Toole wrote: »

Nope.

Any idea why he was not as his own nephews funeral?

Michael O Toole

DamienDarts wrote: »

Any idea why he was not as his own nephews funeral?

As has been written, fear of the Kinahans killing him and the cops arresting him. More likely the former, though.

DamienDarts

Michael O Toole wrote: »

As has been written, fear of the Kinahans killing him and the cops arresting him. More likely the former, though.

It's not a case of a fued within the Hutch family?

Supernintento Chalmers

Muahahaha wrote: »

I wonder do the criminal courts keep transcripts of what was said in court? I'd love to know because all the media have ever reported was 'he was aquitted', we never got to find out exactly why the DPP couldn't pin the armed robbery on him. Which is hard to fathom given his cousin served time for it.

I know some courts keep audio recordings of proceedings.

Michael O Toole

DamienDarts wrote: »

It's not a case of a fued within the Hutch family?

No.

coniosumadre

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

Any sign of Gerry at the funeral? I read during the week that he didn't particularly like Gareth, but like a lot of media reports that may or may not be true.

I'd say if Gerry shows his face back here at the moment he'll be treating himself to a free 7 day holiday.

DamienDarts

Michael O Toole wrote: »

No.

Does Anyone else think Gerry Hutch has nothing really to do with this fued?
Maybe his nephews are more than capable of planning things them selves?

If he was part of the cause surely he can be brave enough to go to his own nephews funeral?

Michael O Toole

DamienDarts wrote: »

Does Anyone else think Gerry Hutch has nothing really to do with this fued?
Maybe his nephews are more than capable of planning things them selves?

If he was part of the cause surely he can be brave enough to go to his own nephews funeral?

He is the number one target of the Kinahans. Make of that what you will.

chillin117

coniosumadre wrote: »

I'd say if Gerry shows his face back here at the moment he'll be treating himself to a free 7 day holiday.

It's like a fire in your house and your not allowed go home and put it out

SEPT 23 1989

DamienDarts wrote: »

Does Anyone else think Gerry Hutch has nothing really to do with this fued?
Maybe his nephews are more than capable of planning things them selves?

If he was part of the cause surely he can be brave enough to go to his own nephews funeral?

nothing would happen without his say

DamienDarts

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

nothing would happen without his say

I don't have a clue I'm just guessing but all these tough boys thinking there gangsters.........
Surely they don't jump when Gerry says jump?

Dinny Byrne has Angina

Muahahaha wrote: »

I wonder do the criminal courts keep transcripts of what was said in court? I'd love to know because all the media have ever reported was 'he was aquitted', we never got to find out exactly why the DPP couldn't pin the armed robbery on him. Which is hard to fathom given his cousin served time for it.

All courts have digital audio recording, but it can't ordinarily be accessed, even by counsel, except on application to the Court prior to an appeal against conviction.

It would be no use to you anyway. A decision to acquit or convict a defendant is ordinarily that of a jury, and obviously, there is no transcript of jury deliberations.

humberklog

DamienDarts wrote: »

I don't have a clue I'm just guessing but all these tough boys thinking there gangsters.........
Surely they don't jump when Gerry says jump?

They are gangsters. The reality of gangsters doesn't fit the Hollywood narrative and image though.

It's more a case of having to ask if they can jump rather than being told to jump.

DamienDarts

humberklog wrote: »

They are gangsters. The reality of gangsters doesn't fit the Hollywood narrative and image though.

It's more a case of having to ask if they can jump rather than being told to jump.

What I meant in other words was....

These full time mad bastards and lunatics who are up to there eye balls in all sorts and think there so hard , how in gods name are they all controlled by an uncle?

humberklog

Dinny Byrne has Angina wrote: »

All courts have digital audio recording, but it can't ordinarily be accessed, even by counsel, except on application to the Court prior to an appeal against conviction.

It would be no use to you anyway. A decision to acquit or convict a defendant is ordinarily that of a jury, and obviously, there is no transcript of jury deliberations.

Was it even a jury though and not a special criminal case? I don't know as there is nothing to be found on the case. Which is more than odd. An extradition case doesn't happen every week and certainly not with a Hutch name attached. Both of these circumstances would usually be given some news coverage.

humberklog

DamienDarts wrote: »

What I meant in other words was....

These full time mad bastards and lunatics who are up to there eye balls in all sorts and think there so hard , how in gods name are they all controlled by an uncle?

They aren't. But this would've been an exceptional instance requiring a lot organising and essentially knowing they were pressing the nuclear button. Enter the Monk.

DamienDarts

humberklog wrote: »

They aren't. But this would've been an exceptional instance requiring a lot organising and essentially knowing they were pressing the nuclear button. Enter the Monk.

I'm not so sure.

SEPT 23 1989

DamienDarts wrote: »

What I meant in other words was....

These full time mad bastards and lunatics who are up to there eye balls in all sorts and think there so hard , how in gods name are they all controlled by an uncle?

Its called respect

DamienDarts

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Its called respect

And that is something all these saucy bastards have in bundles?

I respect my uncles too but they don't tell me what to do!

humberklog

Any body else surprised that with the intelligence Christy Kinahan was born with and the education he gave himself that he'd allow his son to take up his role in the underworld?

The flying mouse

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Its called respect

And fear.

The monk didn't get his reputation and control from being a monk. a alter boy, He has/had a formidable reputation in gangland and was well respected, The future doesn't look to bright for him now though unless he can get some sort of deal/peace with the costas.

nacho libre

The Kinahans have to be seen to deal with this feud decisively, as their crime partner are watching in places in likes Mexico and Colombia.
It will be interesting to see if the reach/financial clout of the Dapper Don is enough to get to those who become or have already become state informants.

DamienDarts

The flying mouse wrote: »

The future doesn't look to bright for him now though unless he can get some sort of deal/peace with the costas.

Surely deal/peace will never again be an option with these two gangs?

Gadgetman496

DamienDarts wrote: »

Surely deal/peace will never again be an option with these two gangs?

I doubt that too. I'd say it will take a Homestore + more scenario to end it, you know, "When they're gone they're gone"

The flying mouse

DamienDarts wrote: »

Surely deal/peace will never again be an option with these two gangs?

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

I doubt that too. I'd say it will take a Homestore + more scenario to end it, you know, "When they're gone they're gone"

At the end of the day there will be some sort of deal done, it mighten be for a while yet, it might be after either the monk and a few more or dk and a few costas are taken out, either by prison or killed, But it will happen. Business is Business.

Strumms

The Kinahan side hold all the aces.. They can keep this going as long as they choose. They are the ones that have the power, the money and the reach across the ocean to Dublin to get things done while being out of harms way themselves. The Hutch side on the other hand do not seem to have these resources. It will stop or at least die down when the Kinahan guys come to the decision that the heat from the cops on the street just is bad for business and it's impacting the bottom line... as in money.. Wouldnt be surprised however if they will let it die for a bit and then take out the remainder of the Hutch's in time or at least try to...

Allyall

Any idea why the Kinahans want The Monk so badly?
wasn't there a failed attempt before all of this started? - Well, before it all got a little bit more crazy..

Gadgetman496

In gangland there's always someone on the wings just waiting to become the new kid on the block & attempt to take over the patch. I can't see both of these gangs coexisting after all that's gone down. One will be reduced to nothing and the stronger one will then have to deal with the replacement and on and on it goes.

shane.

DamienDarts wrote: »

Does Anyone else think Gerry Hutch has nothing really to do with this fued?
Maybe his nephews are more than capable of planning things them selves?

If he was part of the cause surely he can be brave enough to go to his own nephews funeral?

He has an awful lot to do with this feud

Rakish Paddy

Allyall wrote: »

Any idea why the Kinahans want The Monk so badly?
wasn't there a failed attempt before all of this started? - Well, before it all got a little bit more crazy..

I have no idea whether it's true or not, but he seems to be widely viewed by the media and general public as the 'godfather' of the Hutch mob and therefore being involved in planning, financing or giving some sort of go-ahead for the Regency attack.

As far as I can see, the Kinahan side have so far only gone after people who were in some way reported/rumoured to have been involved in the Regency attack rather than indiscriminately attacking anyone who is or has any connection to a Hutch (of course they did kill that poor lad on Sheriff St. but that was mistaken identity).

arayess

nacho libre wrote: »

The Kinahans have to be seen to deal with this feud decisively, as their crime partner are watching in places in likes Mexico and Colombia.
It will be interesting to see if the reach/financial clout of the Dapper Don is enough to get to those who become or have already become state informants.

i disagree.
business and money is number 1 . when business suffers sufficiently they will look to end this.
an obsession with street-cred keeps criminals poor and dead , good business makes them rich.

The cartel business partners don't give a hoot about what grief is happening in dublin...they care about where the k lads can pay for their product.
also they will know that money and business will trump street cred any day.

I'm pretty sure the cartel want the lady in drag dead, be it on the streets or in prison.
Once that happens, things might calm down for a bit.

Tilly

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

I'm pretty sure the cartel want the lady in drag dead, be it on the streets or in prison.
Once that happens, things might calm down for a bit.

Well she's currently locked up so that won't be happening anytime soon and I doubt she'll be put anywhere near the K gang in prison just like her brother.

Tilly

Tilly wrote: »

Well she's currently locked up so that won't be happening anytime soon and I doubt she'll be put anywhere near the K gang in prison just like her brother.

We are talking about Irish justice system here Tilly!
She might walk or get a small sentence.
Only matter of time I'd say.

chillin117

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Its called respect

This thread is getting like The Sopranos :eek:

Tilly

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

We are talking about Irish justice system here Tilly!
She might walk or get a small sentence.
Only matter of time I'd say.

Ah I don't know. Examples need to be made out of all of this and real sentences need to be used.

pragmatic1

humberklog wrote: »

Any body else surprised that with the intelligence Christy Kinahan was born with and the education he gave himself that he'd allow his son to take up his role in the underworld?

Crime does pay if you're smart about it, that's the problem.

gangstergossip

I cant see there been any peace deal between these two gangs a deal was made at the beginning that gary hutch wouldn't be killed and the cartel went back on it theres no trust and no going back too many people have been killed and too many people who are seeking revenge. About the monks involvement from what i heard he was reluctant to get involved at the beginning but did so as a favor to a grieving brother.

GANGSTAGEE

gangstergossip wrote: »

I cant see there been any peace deal between these two gangs a deal was made at the beginning that gary hutch wouldn't be killed and the cartel went back on it theres no trust and no going back too many people have been killed and too many people who are seeking revenge. About the monks involvement from what i heard he was reluctant to get involved at the beginning but did so as a favor to a grieving brother.

That's true the Kinihans won't stop and the Hutch's can't stop no peace deals here

Allyall

GANGSTAGEE wrote: »

That's true the Kinihans won't stop and the Hutch's can't stop no peace deals here

Even if they both agreed to stop, there's no way in hell they could trust each other to keep the peace.

The flying mouse

gangstergossip wrote: »

I cant see there been any peace deal between these two gangs a deal was made at the beginning that gary hutch wouldn't be killed and the cartel went back on it theres no trust and no going back too many people have been killed and too many people who are seeking revenge. About the monks involvement from what i heard he was reluctant to get involved at the beginning but did so as a favor to a grieving brother.

What I heard was that the hutches agreed to pay over 200k to the boxer who was mistakenly shot in compensation, and they never paid a penny and had no intentions of ever paying as they had other plans in the pipeline.

Someone with intelligence and balls and that had the backing by serious players started this, and I doubt if it was the unfortunate GH, It had to be someone who thought it was doable and thought he could run the costas operations, if not the monk who else would it have been ?