Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

ohnonotgmail

benny79 wrote: »

On prime time tonight following the aftermath of recent shootings 21.00.

The problem in this country is withnesses & prison. No withness is going to stand trial in a gangland murder as they are putting themselves in danger & its well know by the guards and they are powerless to stop it. Take some of the cases in the Limerick feud for example.

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that is why we have the Special Criminal Court

Supernintento Chalmers

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

Gardai have ample resources to take on these people.
They have ERU, sophisticated surveillance techniques, helicopters and masses of informers.
Boosting their resources wouldn't have stopped any of this.

Where they have failed inexplicably though is in not having any intelligence gathering units at this weigh in.
We're talking about a massive cartel.
One of the biggest criminals in Ireland broadcast that he would be there.
Him being someone who it seems sets foot here fairly rarely.
The special branch used to religiously stake out every republican event there was
Watching this event would have seemed to be a forefone conclusion.
Lack of resources can't be blamed here.
This was a Garda fcuk up no matter what.

That's not to mention round two.
Showy armed checkpoints everywhere, except close enough to the main reprisal target's family home.
This is basic stuff and hard to understand how it wasn't done right.

I'd be fairly confident if there was one or two undercover gardai at the scene, they wouldn't have been able to do anything. Handguns vs ak's just doesn't cut it.
The commissioner will hardly come out & say there was or wasn't undercover gardai there.

'Special Branch' do monitor Republican events, this was not one of them.

It's fairly lazy to just blame gardai for people committing crime.
And maybe this ocg are very organised, only trust people they know they can, keep things tight? You can hardly blame gardai for criminals managing to keep their mouths shut.

There are many reasons why people get involved in crime & why these criminal gangs feel like they are invincible.
Gardai are not perfect, but you cannot blame this on a Garda **** up.

Supernintento Chalmers

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

How the NDU wasn't there in any shape or form is beyond belief.

NDU?

ohnonotgmail

bubblypop wrote: »

NDU?

NDU = National Detective Unit

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

NDU = National Detective Unit

LOL.
No such thing

Supernintento Chalmers

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

NDU = National Detective Unit

National Drugs Unit

mynamejeff

Supernintento Chalmers wrote: »

National Drugs Unit

still no such thing

there used o be a GNDU Garda National Drugs Unit

but they got rid of it and folded the remainder into DOCB Drugs and organised Crime Unit with vastly reduced numbers and resources


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugs_and_Organised_Crime_Bureau


All hail Enda !

JustTheOne

mynamejeff wrote: »

still no such thing

there used o be a GNDU Garda National Drugs Unit

but they got rid of it and folded the remainder into DOCB Drugs and organised Crime Unit with vastly reduced numbers and resources


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drugs_and_Organised_Crime_Bureau


All hail Enda !

Was waiting for someone to blame enda for the shootings.

Is there anything in this country people don't blame enda Kenny on?

Maybe the weather.

mynamejeff

JustTheOne wrote: »

Was waiting for someone to blame enda for the shootings.

Is there anything in this country people don't blame enda Kenny on?

Maybe the weather.

Well he is ment to be the man in charge isnt he ?

He is the one who signed off at the end of the day on the systemic destruction of the nations justice system and took no positive steps to fix the massive problem that now exists

He is the leader of the government isnt he ?

All this stuff didnt happen on its own you know.

yes I blame him for the increasing rise in demand for bland 70's middle aged haircuts, the ill fitting suit trend and rise in ventriliquism!!

itsd one thing to sound like a dummy but to look, dress and act like a marionette is a skill in itself!! now who's really pulling the strings.

watch him tonight on tv3, CIA training stuff. the shallow breath after every sentence..

JustTheOne

mynamejeff wrote: »

Well he is ment to be the man in charge isnt he ?

He is the one who signed off at the end of the day on the systemic destruction of the nations justice system and took no positive steps to fix the massive problem that now exists

He is the leader of the government isnt he ?

All this stuff didnt happen on its own you know.

So there was never gangland shootings before him?

Actually gangland shootings are down since he has been in charge.

Ff closed templemore because of the recession.

mynamejeff

JustTheOne wrote: »

So there was never gangland shootings before him?

Actually gangland shootings are down since he has been in charge.

Ff closed templemore because of the recession.

AAAAaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa are you actually suggesting that enda kennys government contributed to a reduction in gangland murders ?????


What did enda do to help the justice system ?

less gardai less stations less resources and now ireland cannot protect itself from organised criminals

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that is why we have the Special Criminal Court

Which is why the beardy terrorist wants it abolished!
It takes away the right to intimidate someone who is using the law to tell lies about someone!

JustTheOne

mynamejeff wrote: »

AAAAaahhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaa are you actually suggesting that enda kennys government contributed to a reduction in gangland murders ?????


What did enda do to help the justice system ?

less gardai less stations less resources and now ireland cannot protect itself from organised criminals

No but are you suggesting Ireland didn't have a problem with gangland murders before enda took charge?

What about Shane geoghan or Anthony Campbells murders?

They happened before enda, the then government weren't doing much to protect society from criminals then were they?

I'm just saying blaming enda for Irelands gangland murders is ridiculous. They have been happening for years. Remember Veronica Guerin? 1996?

JustTheOne

JustTheOne wrote: »

No but are you suggesting Ireland didn't have a problem with gangland murders before enda took charge?

What about Shane geoghan or Anthony Campbells murders?

They happened before enda, the then government weren't doing much to protect society from criminals then were they?

I'm just saying blaming enda for Irelands gangland murders is ridiculous. They have been happening for years. Remember Veronica Guerin? 1996?

What about Jerry McCabe, Brian Fitzgerald, Roy Collins and the list of about 200 ganglands other victims?
Enda is a dick, but it's got nothing to do with a reduction in policing that has caused already well armed gangsters to do what they've always done, which is laugh at the Gardai.

JustTheOne

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

What about Jerry McCabe, Brian Fitzgerald, Roy Collins and the list of about 200 ganglands other victims?
Enda is a dick, but it's got nothing to do with a reduction in policing that has caused already well armed gangsters to do what they've always done, which is laugh at the Gardai.

Spot on.

mynamejeff

JustTheOne wrote: »

No but are you suggesting Ireland didn't have a problem with gangland murders before enda took charge?

What about Shane geoghan or Anthony Campbells murders?

They happened before enda, the then government weren't doing much to protect society from criminals then were they?

I'm just saying blaming enda for Irelands gangland murders is ridiculous. They have been happening for years. Remember Veronica Guerin? 1996?

your not understanding my point

What has enda done to make the situation better ?


what positive actions has the leader of

as leader of the nation what has enda done to ensure the safety of the population ?

mynamejeff

mynamejeff wrote: »

your not understanding my point

What has enda done to make the situation better ?


what positive actions has the leader of

as leader of the nation what has enda done to ensure the safety of the population ?

What do you suggest?
Load up on Ak47s and go sort it?
Or should he hire the Expendables?

ohnonotgmail

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Which is why the beardy terrorist wants it abolished!
It takes away the right to intimidate someone who is using the law to tell lies about someone!

Sometimes it is really hard to tell when somebody is being sarcastic

price690

How the hell are this MGM boxing crowd allowed to operate? I mean does anyone actually believe Matt Macklin is behind it all with some benevolent mr.moneybags doing it for the good of the sport?

I'd imagine their "profits" make interesting reading.

Seems to be a very laissez faire approach by the fighters aswell to being involved with these guys. They might not be the sharpest tools in the shed but surely they know its not all above board?

Excuse the pun but pro boxing is extremely ropey, and the fighters (and alot of the fans by the looks of it) seem to be apologists for it and don't really give a damn.

mynamejeff

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

What do you suggest?
Load up on Ak47s and go sort it?
Or should he hire the Expendables?

How about hiring a decent sized police force and equipping it properly with cars knowledgeably and manpower ?

Like the rest of the world ? The time of having a village policeman style police service passed in the 80s

RainyDay

mynamejeff wrote: »

Well he is ment to be the man in charge isnt he ?

He is the one who signed off at the end of the day on the systemic destruction of the nations justice system and took no positive steps to fix the massive problem that now exists

He is the leader of the government isnt he ?

All this stuff didnt happen on its own you know.

How about blaming the coke buyers - all the RTE heads and the music heads that put large wads of money into the pockets of these gangs - do they bear any blame for the deaths?

dreamers75

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inm-journalists-receive-outrageous-threats-from-dublin-criminal-gangs-34445166.html

Gardai warn Journos they are in danger.

dreamers75

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/inm-journalists-receive-outrageous-threats-from-dublin-criminal-gangs-34445166.html

Gardai warn Journos they are in danger.

All decent people stand with them?

Sure they are, behind closed doors and heads down.
The dangers they face, no Joe public will stand beside them with their name showing!

lukesmom

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

All decent people stand with them?

Sure they are, behind closed doors and heads down.
The dangers they face, no Joe public will stand beside them with their name showing!

Very true

Phoebas

mynamejeff wrote: »

What has enda done to make the situation better ?


what positive actions has the leader of

as leader of the nation what has enda done to ensure the safety of the population ?

He retained the SCC (and added a new one) when others were calling for it to be scrapped.

weldoninhio

RainyDay wrote: »

How about blaming the coke buyers - all the RTE heads and the music heads that put large wads of money into the pockets of these gangs - do they bear any blame for the deaths?

And RTE etc are subsidised by who exactly? Oh that's right Enda and co.

ohnonotgmail

mynamejeff wrote: »

How about hiring a decent sized police force and equipping it properly with cars knowledgeably and manpower ?

Like the rest of the world ? The time of having a village policeman style police service passed in the 80s

And where was the money to come from for this at a time when the country was on its knees?

Phoebas

weldoninhio wrote: »

And RTE etc are subsidised by who exactly? Oh that's right Enda and co.

Thread has jumped the shark.

weldoninhio

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

And where was the money to come from for this at a time when the country was on its knees?

A moratorium or decrease on politicians wages/pensions. An end to unvouched expenses. Forcing multi-nationals to pay tax at the correct low rate that they are liable to pay. Not paying private debts from the public purse. To name but a few.

DrumSteve

weldoninhio wrote: »

And RTE etc are subsidised by who exactly? Oh that's right Enda and co.

Clutching at more straws than a scarecrow having a ****.

SEPT 23 1989

Don't think they are stupid enough the murder another journalist after what happened to Gilligan and friends the last time

Birdie Num Num

mynamejeff wrote: »

How about hiring a decent sized police force and equipping it properly with cars knowledgeably and manpower ?

Like the rest of the world ? The time of having a village policeman style police service passed in the 80s

I honestly don't believe that throwing lots of money and resources into our services is the simple answer to our problems. You could equip our hospitals with another 5,000 beds or put another 5,000 guards into An Garda Siochana but the result could just mean that there are lots more beds and guards unavailable. Problems and issues are much deeper. Yes resources are needed but so is a major shake up. Many rural Garda stations that were closed are no more closed now than they were when they were open. However, I do believe that the time of the village policeman is still required and very vital in communities.

SEPT 23 1989

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Don't think they are stupid enough the murder another journalist after what happened to Gilligan and friends the last time

You give them more credit than they are due.
Gilligan didn't think they would be caught for it, just as the latest scumlords would think.
Hope I'm wrong!

mynamejeff

Phoebas wrote: »

He retained the SCC (and added a new one) when others were calling for it to be scrapped.

the SCC was around long before the mayo school teacher arrived in power and god willing it will be around long after he is gone.

The "new" one is yet to start operating.

Who is going to bring people before these courts when there is no police to do it.

Birdie Num Num

RainyDay wrote: »

How about blaming the coke buyers - all the RTE heads and the music heads that put large wads of money into the pockets of these gangs - do they bear any blame for the deaths?

Agree with you there. Surprised when all the politicians, particularly the Minister for Justice, didn't make an opportune statement of this sentiment over the last few days. They were all too interested in verbally sparring with each other and scoring brownie points in advance of the elections to make sensible comments. I am not pointing at RTE and Music Heads here but I get your drift. It's comical when you read some of the ridiculous remarks some posters make on boards about the merits of drug taking and then look at gangland crime.

Phoebas

mynamejeff wrote: »

Who is going to bring people before these courts when there is no police to do it.

There are no police.:eek:

I hadn't realised things had got so bad.

mynamejeff

Birdie Num Num wrote: »

I honestly don't believe that throwing lots of money and resources into our services is the simple answer to our problems. You could equip our hospitals with another 5,000 beds or put another 5,000 guards into An Garda Siochana but the result could just mean that there are lots more beds and guards unavailable. Problems and issues are much deeper. Yes resources are needed but so is a major shake up. Many rural Garda stations that were closed are no more closed now than they were when they were open. However, I do believe that the time of the village policeman is still required and very vital in communities.

VIllage police may be required in villages in rural areas . As in exactly the ones that were closed by enda

Having the village police man type of approach ie softly softy" aw come n now lads " walking around in ridiculously appropriate uniform with a silly hat and a asp baton and weakest possible strength tiny pepper spray can and driving cheap small engine Korean cars and political motivated leadership, thats the time i ws referring to being gone

...And Justice

Just heard on the news that the gardai have informed a number of reporters at INM , That their lives are in danger from a two criminal gangs in Dublin. I'd be shítting it if I was the one that took the photo that identified the suspects.

mynamejeff

Phoebas wrote: »

There are no police.:eek:

I hadn't realised things had got so bad.

According to the AGSI guy on the radio the other day there are going to be 600 new police this year and 750 are going to retire or resign.

Add that to the shutting down of GNDU and OCU and replacing them with smaller less resourced group .

TallGlass

...And Justice wrote: »

Just heard on the news that the gardai have informed a number of reporters at INM , That their lives are in danger from a two criminal gangs in Dublin. I'd be shítting it if I was the one that took the photo that identified the suspects.

F↓cking place is turning into Mexico, they'll be hanging people from bridges next.

mynamejeff

mynamejeff wrote: »

VIllage police may be required in villages in rural areas . As in exactly the ones that were closed by enda

Having the village police man type of approach ie softly softy" aw come n now lads " walking around in ridiculously appropriate uniform with a silly hat and a asp baton and weakest possible strength tiny pepper spray can and driving cheap small engine Korean cars and political motivated leadership, thats the time i ws referring to being gone

Ah I have to disagree with you there.
While there is a need for high powered vehicles, rapid response police, armed response units, there will always be a need for the ' village policeman'

A good policeman knows his area, he knows his community and he is trusted by them. He knows what goes on and who does what.

A 'village policeman' is exactly what the gardai have lost and they need to get it back.

Birdie Num Num

mynamejeff wrote: »

VIllage police may be required in villages in rural areas . As in exactly the ones that were closed by enda

Having the village police man type of approach ie softly softy" aw come n now lads " walking around in ridiculously appropriate uniform with a silly hat and a asp baton and weakest possible strength tiny pepper spray can and driving cheap small engine Korean cars and political motivated leadership, thats the time i ws referring to being gone

Jeff, I sense you are a lot younger than me. Your depiction of a village policeman is at best one dimensional. You said 'village policeman'. I wasn't placing them in any particular village, area or local community. Yes of course there are other requirements to a police force but local knowledge and local interaction in any community is a very valuable thing.

...And Justice

TallGlass wrote: »

F↓cking place is turning into Mexico, they'll be hanging people from bridges next.

Well these days are very different than when veronica was murdered in 1996, these guy's don't give a toss and may make a terrible example of someone and their family to take the heat off. Hopefully not.

Edit: just realised that was twenty years ago.......

...And Justice

...And Justice wrote: »

Well these days are very different than when veronica was murdered in 1996, these guy's don't give a toss and may make a terrible example of someone and their family to take the heat off. Hopefully not.

Edit: just realised that was twenty years ago😧

Agreed.
Martin Cahill famously called it! "Wait till you see what's coming after me" - paraphrasing btw.

Broxi_Bear_Eire

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah I have to disagree with you there.
While there is a need for high powered vehicles, rapid response police, armed response units, there will always be a need for the ' village policeman'

A good policeman knows his area, he knows his community and he is trusted by them. He knows what goes on and who does what.

A 'village policeman' is exactly what the gardai have lost and they need to get it back.

yeah because the village policemen up here were great. So I hope the new model is vastly improved

HeidiHeidi

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

Agreed.
Martin Cahill famously called it! "Wait till you see what's coming after me" - paraphrasing btw.

That was Larry Dunne, one of the original and bestest (or worstest) of the drug lords we ever bred.

...And Justice

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

That was Larry Dunne, one of the original and bestest (or worstest) of the drug lords we ever bred.

I think Charles haughey said something similar about Bertie