Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

Valetta

Valetta wrote: »

So you're saying he's a teacher that grows puppets.

Ok then.

Don't forget that he's also in control of a cowboy (a country complete one, no less).

AudreyHepburn

Gamebred wrote: »

We have a school teacher from mayo running the country what do you expect I wouldnt let him look after my dog never mind a country,Im not saying all business experts are never wrong but you can be damn sure a proper ceo would run the country like a business and not have it in ruins the way it is today.

I'll never, for the life of me, understand why people expect Enda Kenny to simply click his fingers and solve all the country's problems in one go.

It took 20 odd years for us end up in a recession, things aren't to go back to where they were in 5 or 6 or 7 years. It takes time and tough decisions whether you like it or not.

hatrickpatrick

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

I'll never, for the life of me, understand why people expect Enda Kenny to simply click his fingers and solve all the country's problems in one go.

It took 20 odd years for us end up in a recession, things aren't to go back to where they were in 5 or 6 or 7 years. It takes time and tough decisions whether you like it or not.

What's tough about telling judges not to let gangsters walk free from court without even so much as a stern talking to?

EDIT:
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-judge-slams-number-criminals-6683412

Former district court judge Michael Patwell said he cannot see any reason for judges reducing jail terms – especially for offenders with dozens of previous convictions.

Looking at a recent burglary case where a 20-year term was reduced to 12, Mr Patwell said suspended sentences should only be used when the individual has a hope of reform.

He said: “To my mind, you only suspend a sentence for people you hope have learned their lesson and will come out and try to go straight.

“A fella with 120 previous convictions has proven he has no interest in going straight.”

ohnonotgmail

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

What's tough about telling judges not to let gangsters walk free from court without even so much as a stern talking to?

EDIT:
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-judge-slams-number-criminals-6683412

because judges dont answer to politicians.

Mesrine65

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

What's tough about enforcing the laws of the land?

EDIT:
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-judge-slams-number-criminals-6683412

FYP

Riverireland

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

What's tough about telling judges not to let gangsters walk free from court without even so much as a stern talking to?

EDIT:
http://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/retired-judge-slams-number-criminals-6683412

I agree. We seem to have a problem prosecuting serious criminals in this country. I can't understand how these gangs have been allowed to become so powerful. I wonder if we might actually prosecute a banker at some point in the future too.

benny79

I am by know means a FG supporter or like Enda,. I voted labour in the last election more foul me! but FG/Enda have got this Country out of a recession weather you like it or not. One in which FF but us in...

But I mostly think they are as bad as each other. But running a Country calls for tough decisions not to everyone's likening.

Tilly

Anyone have Garda checkpoints page liked on Facebook? They just (16 mins ago) posted this:


Garda Checkpoints Dublin
16 mins ·
(((Checkpoint))
outside Regency hotel.

Valetta

Tilly wrote: »

Anyone have Garda checkpoints page liked on Facebook? They just (16 mins ago) posted this:


Garda Checkpoints Dublin
16 mins ·
(((Checkpoint))
outside Regency hotel.

Fairly standard procedure, I would have thought.

A week to the day after the shooting they will try and find people who travel that road on a weekly basis in the hope of getting some more info on the happenings last Friday.

seamus

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

What's tough about telling judges not to let gangsters walk free from court without even so much as a stern talking to?

You think the Taoiseach should have the power to tell the judiciary what to do?

jimgoose

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because judges dont answer to politicians.

Theoretically no, but we managed to make a bollocks of that as well back in 2011 with the 29th Constitutional Amendment. More of the "Yeah, get 'em!!" mentality that's the cause of half our problems around here. Oh well... :pac:

Frynge

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because judges dont answer to politicians.

Not directly, no. But they do uphold the law of the land as decided by our elected representatives I.e. The government.

ohnonotgmail

Frynge wrote: »

Not directly, no. But they do uphold the law of the land as decided by our elected representatives I.e. The government.

Not indirectly either. There is a clear separation of powers between the government and the judiciary.

jimgoose

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not indirectly either. There is a clear separation of powers between the government and the judiciary.

There was, until Mad Duffy slipped us a mickey in the middle of a load of horseshit about Oireachtas committees in 2011. And of course Paddy fell for it. "Yea, get 'em!!" :pac:

RainyDay

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm not arguing for internment without trial, I'm arguing for a mandatory minimum sentence of at least ten years for any conviction of violent, gang-related crime. I don't believe in mitigating circumstances where gangland is concerned. If you're involved with a violent criminal gang, regardless of your circumstances, you're a scumbag who knows exactly what you're doing and how it is impacting on the lives of ordinary citizens.

We should also have cascading sentences for previous convictions. In other words, the violent scumbag arrested for possession of a gun should get a higher sentence upon discovery of a long criminal record.

How's that minimum mandatory sentencing working out in terms of reducing crime in the USA? I know it has hugely increased the prison population, mostly with black and Hispanic people - but has it really reduced crime at all?

weldoninhio

RainyDay wrote: »

How's that minimum mandatory sentencing working out in terms of reducing crime in the USA? I know it has hugely increased the prison population, mostly with black and Hispanic people - but has it really reduced crime at all?

So if the USA let all the gang bangers etc out of prison do you think there'd be less crime or more crime?? Jesus.

mynamejeff

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Not indirectly either. There is a clear separation of powers between the government and the judiciary.

As there should be

but there is a problem with the judiciary ignoring the legally imposed laws of Ireland such as the minimum mandatory sentences for stuff like Section 15 A of the misuse of drugs act ( more than 13000 euro of drugs )

It is very regular that people convicted of that serve no time at all even though there is meant to be a mandatory sentence.

RainyDay

weldoninhio wrote: »

So if the USA let all the gang bangers etc out of prison do you think there'd be less crime or more crime?? Jesus.

You know their murder rate per head is about three times our murder rate here, right? So tell me again why we need to follow their style of mandatory sentencing and how that's going to help us?

LDN_Irish

RainyDay wrote: »

You know their murder rate per head is about three times our murder rate here, right? So tell me again why we need to follow their style of mandatory sentencing and how that's going to help us?

I think it's actually closer to 5 times what ours us. Ireland being 1.2/100,000 and the US being 5/100,000. But I agree with you.

...And Justice

RainyDay wrote: »

You know their murder rate per head is about three times our murder rate here, right? So tell me again why we need to follow their style of mandatory sentencing and how that's going to help us?

The USA is different, their prison system is for profit private business. They make their profits by having 96% occupancy. That's why when someone gets the death penalty, they spend 20 years on death row before the sentence is carried out. Capitalism at its worst, with a rather racist skew on things.

To think the former government were going to privatise the prison system here too boggles the mind.

The state need to build more prisons, but with these fascists in power, it will never happen.

Tilly

Valetta wrote: »

Fairly standard procedure, I would have thought.

A week to the day after the shooting they will try and find people who travel that road on a weekly basis in the hope of getting some more info on the happenings last Friday.

That's actually a good point, didn't even think of that actually. Doubt anyone would give info tho after the follow up shooting tho.

KingBrian2

arayess wrote: »

Enda is our longest serving TD since 1975 - breathe that in .....that's 1970 fcuking 5 longer than I've been born -
by default above all in the Dail he would have the most time to influence policy on drugs and organised crime or at a minimum speak about it.

Correct me if I'm wrong he has never spoken in favour of legalisation which would cut the cash cow that is drugs from the criminal underworld. Criminals smuggle drugs because there is money there....they will move onto something else but perhaps with less profits there will be less criminals and less bloodshed.

bar a few soundbites has Kenny ever offered a solution to why young people within certain areas gravitate toward crime or how he would intend to limit crime ...no....he is all bluster.

so if politics has any blame for crime (which I believe the state does) then enda kenny is front and centre of that blame.
Yes he was in opposition for many years but I don't recall any impassioned speech a la joe higgins or tony gregory on crime and drugs from enda.
None

nineteen seventy five....
That's 40 years in Dail eireann...at age 24 you think he would be bursting with ideas ...but fcuk me he is just a glorified career civil servant.

He is also from Mayo, not exactly crime central. Much of the crime is in the big cities (originally Limerick) & Dublin but also in the adjacent counties. The border counties also have to grapple with crime. That place is full of smuggling and police killers.

DEFTLEFTHAND

...And Justice wrote: »

The USA is different, their prison system is for profit private business. They make their profits by having 96% occupancy. That's why when someone gets the death penalty, they spend 20 years on death row before the sentence is carried out. Capitalism at its worst, with a rather racist skew on things.

To think the former government were going to privatise the prison system here too boggles the mind.

The state need to build more prisons, but with these fascists in power, it will never happen.

I agree that prisons shouldn't be privatised but does the right of appeal not drag out these Death cases in the US? The process moves at a snails pace to ensure that the condemned person has every chance to challenge their sentence. I'm not sure how racism comes into it.

...And Justice

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I agree that prisons shouldn't be privatised but does the right of appeal not drag out these Death cases in the US? The process moves at a snails pace to ensure that the condemned person has every chance to challenge their sentence. I'm not sure how racism comes into it.

It's currently 100k payment per year per prisoner, it's not a game here, people are inventory, the fact they are predominantly black or Hispanic is the way the US has marginalised it's population into ghettos. Which some say was the plan all along.

arayess

KingBrian2 wrote: »

He is also from Mayo, not exactly crime central. Much of the crime is in the big cities (originally Limerick) & Dublin but also in the adjacent counties. The border counties also have to grapple with crime. That place is full of smuggling and police killers.

true. but it's a weak argument. A TD should have the ability to consider the national interest as well as those of Mayo.
I'd argue Mayo was well looked after by Pee Flynn anyway :pac::pac:

hatrickpatrick

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

because judges dont answer to politicians.

No, the answer to the law, and politicians make the law. Gangland Crime bill 2016, set out mandatory minimum sentences for gangland activity with X previous convictions. Sorted.

hatrickpatrick

RainyDay wrote: »

How's that minimum mandatory sentencing working out in terms of reducing crime in the USA? I know it has hugely increased the prison population, mostly with black and Hispanic people - but has it really reduced crime at all?

No, but for different reasons. The US uses mandatory minimums for a wide variety of non violent crimes, they have ridiculous conditions in prison which breed anger and sociopathy, and they don't have a suspended sentence epidemic.

Are you honestly suggesting that you'd be ok with whoever drove the getaway car last weekend to get a sentence suspended and walk free immediately from court, no conditions, no restrictions? Seriously?

Because if you're ok with that, fair enough. But by extension, that means you're ok with Ireland being a country that breeds scumbags. If we don't punish people when they're starting out, we reinforce the notion that there are no consequences for either anti social behaviour or full on gangland crime.

Kermit.de.frog

There is a video doing the rounds on Liveleak and Youtube that shows the man shot dead with his arms over his head and blood spilling out and the van driving off. Nasty. Can't see that staying up long!

jimgoose

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is a video doing the rounds on Liveleak and Youtube that shows the man shot dead with his arms over his head and blood spilling out and the van driving off. Nasty. Can't see that staying up long!

What do you think is going to be the result of firing a .30-cal battle-rifle at a person at (for that weapon) point-blank? That is the animal, kids.

irishgeo

Gamebred wrote: »

We have a school teacher from mayo running the country what do you expect I wouldnt let him look after my dog never mind a country,Im not saying all business experts are never wrong but you can be damn sure a proper ceo would run the country like a business and not have it in ruins the way it is today.

The alternative leader is Micheal MARTIN ahh yes a school teacher from cork. He is the only one going to be anywhere near running the country. Noone else stands a chance.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

No, the answer to the law, and politicians make the law. Gangland Crime bill 2016, set out mandatory minimum sentences for gangland activity with X previous convictions. Sorted.

Criminal justice act 2006 & Criminal justice ( amendment ) act 2009 I believe is the legislation covering organised crime. Not sure if it has/ or how often it's been used.

fullstop

Can we have a boards election and get someone on here to run the country, seeing as everyone is now an expert? Sounds like a SF manifesto, less income tax, more gardaí, doctors and nurses...and no water or motor taxes and we all live happily ever after in a crime-free society

LDN_Irish

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

There is a video doing the rounds on Liveleak and Youtube that shows the man shot dead with his arms over his head and blood spilling out and the van driving off. Nasty. Can't see that staying up long!

Someone sent that to me on whatsapp and I started it before realising what it was. I think less of the sender for it. I don't care what the person who was shot did, the people who walked right up to his body to get a good video and uploaded it to the net are complete arseholes. And Liveleak being Liveleak I reckon it will stay up forever. The site is chock full of violence and killings. I'd be more concerned if I found that in my (not yet teenage but hypothetically) son's internet history than if I'd found porn sites.

RainyDay

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

No, but for different reasons. The US uses mandatory minimums for a wide variety of non violent crimes, they have ridiculous conditions in prison which breed anger and sociopathy, and they don't have a suspended sentence epidemic.

Are you honestly suggesting that you'd be ok with whoever drove the getaway car last weekend to get a sentence suspended and walk free immediately from court, no conditions, no restrictions? Seriously?

Because if you're ok with that, fair enough. But by extension, that means you're ok with Ireland being a country that breeds scumbags. If we don't punish people when they're starting out, we reinforce the notion that there are no consequences for either anti social behaviour or full on gangland crime.

What I'm suggesting is that making public policy in a complex area like crime/justice is a bit harder that coming up with a simple 'everyone agrees' principle and then building a policy around that. In fact, that applies to all public policy. If it was that simple, every country would be doing the right thing.

Good policy requires evidence of what works and what doesn't work.

pablo128

This is a statement from the Hutch family. If it's true, it sheds a good bit more light on the whole situation. http://www.sundayworld.com/news/news/hutch-family-gives-its-side-of-the-feud-that-has-affected-them-deeply

flanna01

Seriously.... This thread is getting over run by the finger pointers, do gooders, and moral high ground merchants..

For clarity - No politician is going to make an ounce of difference to Dublins gangland and the country's drug trade (Once people understand that very basic principle, we can move on)

If the Garda did this, or did that... Or if more money was available, or maybe not shutting down so many Garda stations...Blah, blah, blah....

Typically.... Every armchair punter knows best (knows where to point the finger..) - If this, if that...... If the Queen had ball's she'd be the King!!

Let me propose a tried and tested solution... Surely everybody still remembers Limerick and their gangland problems??

The City put 24/7 in your face, around the clock surveillance on all the gangs leadership.... The ERU was waiting for them on their doorsteps every morning, were they were duly searched and followed for the rest of the day.

Eventually, word got around that they were under intense Garda scrutiny, the associates stopped calling, the suppliers stopped supplying, and the whole gang imploded in a matter of weeks....

Problem solved!!

The same should happen in the big smoke... 24/7 in your face!! Let them all bugger off to Spain, Amsterdam, England, the North Pole - Who Cares!!!

No more pussy footing around - No more talking, time to do what's right!!

RainyDay

flanna01 wrote: »

Seriously.... This thread is getting over run by the finger pointers, do gooders, and moral high ground merchants..

For clarity - No politician is going to make an ounce of difference to Dublins gangland and the country's drug trade (Once people understand that very basic principle, we can move on)

If the Garda did this, or did that... Or if more money was available, or maybe not shutting down so many Garda stations...Blah, blah, blah....

Typically.... Every armchair punter knows best (knows where to point the finger..) - If this, if that...... If the Queen had ball's she'd be the King!!

Let me propose a tried and tested solution... Surely everybody still remembers Limerick and their gangland problems??

The City put 24/7 in your face, around the clock surveillance on all the gangs leadership.... The ERU was waiting for them on their doorsteps every morning, were they were duly searched and followed for the rest of the day.

Eventually, word got around that they were under intense Garda scrutiny, the associates stopped calling, the suppliers stopped supplying, and the whole gang imploded in a matter of weeks....

Problem solved!!

The same should happen in the big smoke... 24/7 in your face!! Let them all bugger off to Spain, Amsterdam, England, the North Pole - Who Cares!!!

No more pussy footing around - No more talking, time to do what's right!!

Even if that did solve the problem (which it probably wouldn't), the real problem is that once the gang implodes, a new set of suppliers step into their shoes. As long as the market is there, the suppliers will be there.

pablo128

flanna01 wrote: »

The City put 24/7 in your face, around the clock surveillance on all the gangs leadership.... The ERU was waiting for them on their doorsteps every morning, were they were duly searched and followed for the rest of the day.

Eventually, word got around that they were under intense Garda scrutiny, the associates stopped calling, the suppliers stopped supplying, and the whole gang imploded in a matter of weeks....

Problem solved!!

The same should happen in the big smoke... 24/7 in your face!! Let them all bugger off to Spain, Amsterdam, England, the North Pole - Who Cares!!!

No more pussy footing around - No more talking, time to do what's right!!

We don't have any Gardai over in Puerto Banus, or Holland, or wherever the drugs are being shipped from.

The 'gang bosses' in Ireland are only pawns in the bigger picture. However even these guys would laugh at the gardai. They are not the ones handling the drugs or pulling the trigger.

I don't think the Limerick lads were too bright, if I'm honest. Dangerous as fcuk, to be fair, but not a patch on some of the outfits.

hatrickpatrick

RainyDay wrote: »

What I'm suggesting is that making public policy in a complex area like crime/justice is a bit harder that coming up with a simple 'everyone agrees' principle and then building a policy around that. In fact, that applies to all public policy. If it was that simple, every country would be doing the right thing.

Good policy requires evidence of what works and what doesn't work.

I agree to an extent. But right now we have an acute problem - that certain areas of Dublin are all but uninhabitable due to rampant scumbaggery. And that problem is certain to develop into a further serious gangland problem like we have now, unless we do something about it.

Now I agree that long term planning and intervention is the only long term solution. But for the acute problem of no-go areas being infested with utterly feral scumbags, to be honest, I don't really care how they're got off the streets as long as they're got off the streets. House arrest, long jail sentences, whatever. Acutely, the streets need to be cleared, and we need a short term solution to that issue which doesn't leave residents being told that in twenty years, the problem will get better. Those who are currently involved in gangland crime and have no empathy whatsoever for their fellow human beings (like those utter sub-human f*cks who terrorised that family in Tipperary and beat a man sh!tless in front of his young children) should never be considered to have "done their time" in my view. They're f*cked in the head. If they must be released, they should be electronically tagged on a permanent basis so that they can never again inflict that kind of cruelty on anyone without the Gardai immediately knowing exactly who did it.

Do you think five years is enough for a crime like that? That means that by 2020, they will be able to plot another horrific assault and robbery. Will you feel safe in five years knowing that people like this are freely roaming the country you live in?

Have you ever taken a walk in a "rough" area? Why should innocent people not be able to enjoy the safety of their home and their neighbourhood because people living nearby like throwing stuff at pedestrians through their windows and smashing up cars for the craic?

RainyDay

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I agree to an extent. But right now we have an acute problem - that certain areas of Dublin are all but uninhabitable due to rampant scumbaggery. And that problem is certain to develop into a further serious gangland problem like we have now, unless we do something about it.

Now I agree that long term planning and intervention is the only long term solution. But for the acute problem of no-go areas being infested with utterly feral scumbags, to be honest, I don't really care how they're got off the streets as long as they're got off the streets. House arrest, long jail sentences, whatever. Acutely, the streets need to be cleared, and we need a short term solution to that issue which doesn't leave residents being told that in twenty years, the problem will get better. Those who are currently involved in gangland crime and have no empathy whatsoever for their fellow human beings (like those utter sub-human f*cks who terrorised that family in Tipperary and beat a man sh!tless in front of his young children) should never be considered to have "done their time" in my view. They're f*cked in the head. If they must be released, they should be electronically tagged on a permanent basis so that they can never again inflict that kind of cruelty on anyone without the Gardai immediately knowing exactly who did it.

Do you think five years is enough for a crime like that? That means that by 2020, they will be able to plot another horrific assault and robbery. Will you feel safe in five years knowing that people like this are freely roaming the country you live in?

Have you ever taken a walk in a "rough" area? Why should innocent people not be able to enjoy the safety of their home and their neighbourhood because people living nearby like throwing stuff at pedestrians through their windows and smashing up cars for the craic?

I agree, to an extent. I'm not sure that as a society, that we are really ready for the solution you propose. We'd need to be building one or two more prisons, and all the associated cost and manpower. Do we really want this?

We certainly have to start addressing demand as the long term solution, and give people who live in these areas hope of a decent life, with decent jobs and decent housing outside of being a drug dealer.

You're right in that there is a short term problem, and I'm not sure what the solution is.

flanna01

Pablo fella - I agree, the Limerick bunch were not the sharpest tools in the box.

None-the-less... 24/7 in your face is the answer.

No citizen in this country (Let alone the capital), should live in fear of coke fuelled wannabe gangsters - That's just not happening.

Why do people fear these idiots? Are they hard men? Men of power?

In truth, they are a bunch of reprobates that couldn't hack the ethics of working society... They chose to be runners, dealers, enforcers, mules for the rich that didn't want to take the risk.... It really is as simple as that.

The guys that went into the Regency hotel didn't go there off their own bat... They were instructed to go there, by the the men with the millions that couldn't give a hoot if they spent the rest of their lives in prison.... And if they talked, they too, would be rubbed out... Pleeease..!! If they can't see they are nothing but cannon fodder what hope is there for them??

A real 'hard man', is a man with a family, working 50hrs+ a week on minimum pay, with his job in the balance... He lies awake most nights trying to figure out how to make ends meet....!

Gangsters = Hard men my arse!

Berserker

flanna01 wrote: »

The guys that went into the Regency hotel didn't go there off their own bat... They were instructed to go there, by the the men with the millions that couldn't give a hoot if they spent the rest of their lives in prison.... And if they talked, they too, would be rubbed out... Pleeease..!! If they can't see they are nothing but cannon fodder what hope is there for them??

I don't think these guys were cannon fodder though. Two of them were photographed near the hotel and they have been identified as known republicans from the border area, South Tyrone, if I remember correctly. Looks like a man and woman from the pics.

pablo128

flanna01 wrote: »

Pablo fella - I agree, the Limerick bunch were not the sharpest tools in the box.

None-the-less... 24/7 in your face is the answer.

No citizen in this country (Let alone the capital), should live in fear of coke fuelled wannabe gangsters - That's just not happening.

Why do people fear these idiots? Are they hard men? Men of power?

In truth, they are a bunch of reprobates that couldn't hack the ethics of working society... They chose to be runners, dealers, enforcers, mules for the rich that didn't want to take the risk.... It really is as simple as that.

The guys that went into the Regency hotel didn't go there off their own bat... They were instructed to go there, by the the men with the millions that couldn't give a hoot if they spent the rest of their lives in prison.... And if they talked, they too, would be rubbed out... Pleeease..!! If they can't see they are nothing but cannon fodder what hope is there for them??

A real 'hard man', is a man with a family, working 50hrs+ a week on minimum pay, with his job in the balance... He lies awake most nights trying to figure out how to make ends meet....!

Gangsters = Hard men my arse!

What gets me is the way they're in the papers all of the time and still swan about in the best of cars tanned to the hilt from trips to Spain. Not a bother on them.

You would think they would just sit back and enjoy the millions out of the way somewhere, but they don't know when to stop. It's usually greed that gets them in the end, one way or another.

hatrickpatrick

RainyDay wrote: »

I agree, to an extent. I'm not sure that as a society, that we are really ready for the solution you propose. We'd need to be building one or two more prisons, and all the associated cost and manpower. Do we really want this?

I don't think we need to. There are a lot of people in both youth and adult prisons doing time for petty non-violent and victimless offences who could be released, and also I have suggested house arrests and electronic tagging as an alternative to prison - my point simply being that by whatever means, somebody who is a known scumbag should not enjoy all the freedoms of an innocent person, whether in prison or out of it.

EDIT: Let's suppose I'm a "gangland figure well known to the Gardai". If I can't be jailed, why can't I be electronically tagged so that a Garda can log on to PULSE at any time and see my GPS location, such that if there is a major crime (like the Tipp burglary I have referenced), once it is reported to the Gardai, a Garda can straight away log on to PULSE and pull up that location at the time of the offense, and get an immediate readout of every known, tagged scumbag who was present at the location at that time? In this day and age, that wouldn't even be all that costly to implement. And if I were to tamper with or otherwise bamboozle said device, then I would be looking at a mandatory prison term.

There are plenty of possible solutions. But allowing people to continue to live entirely freely after they have spend the majority of their adult life making others' lives a misery is not one of them.

JustTheOne

Berserker wrote: »

I don't think these guys were cannon fodder though. Two of them were photographed near the hotel and they have been identified as known republicans from the border area, South Tyrone, if I remember correctly. Looks like a man and woman from the pics.

Where did you read their known republicans?

Larsso30

flanna01 wrote: »

Seriously.... This thread is getting over run by the finger pointers, do gooders, and moral high ground merchants..

For clarity - No politician is going to make an ounce of difference to Dublins gangland and the country's drug trade (Once people understand that very basic principle, we can move on)

If the Garda did this, or did that... Or if more money was available, or maybe not shutting down so many Garda stations...Blah, blah, blah....

Typically.... Every armchair punter knows best (knows where to point the finger..) - If this, if that...... If the Queen had ball's she'd be the King!!

Let me propose a tried and tested solution... Surely everybody still remembers Limerick and their gangland problems??

The City put 24/7 in your face, around the clock surveillance on all the gangs leadership.... The ERU was waiting for them on their doorsteps every morning, were they were duly searched and followed for the rest of the day.

Eventually, word got around that they were under intense Garda scrutiny, the associates stopped calling, the suppliers stopped supplying, and the whole gang imploded in a matter of weeks....

Problem solved!!

The same should happen in the big smoke... 24/7 in your face!! Let them all bugger off to Spain, Amsterdam, England, the North Pole - Who Cares!!!

No more pussy footing around - No more talking, time to do what's right!!

but thats the thing, the main players all have buggered off abroad, but still rule the roost from there ordering murders like its pizza

blinding

I am surprise that the government haven't suspended electioneering as a mark of Respect to the Gangsters !

They certainly don't make much effort to inconvenience the Gangsters generally.

If your general behaviour is to stand back and admire gangsters in Action then surely you should give "Respect" to Gangster funerals.

blinding

I am surprise that the government haven't suspended electioneering as a mark of Respect to the Gangsters !

They certainly don't make much effort to inconvenience the Gangsters generally.

If your general behaviour is to stand back and admire gangsters in Action then surely you should give "Respect" to Gangster funerals.

BMJD

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

EDIT: Let's suppose I'm a "gangland figure well known to the Gardai". If I can't be jailed, why can't I be electronically tagged so that a Garda can log on to PULSE at any time and see my GPS location, such that if there is a major crime (like the Tipp burglary I have referenced), once it is reported to the Gardai, a Garda can straight away log on to PULSE and pull up that location at the time of the offense, and get an immediate readout of every known, tagged scumbag who was present at the location at that time? In this day and age, that wouldn't even be all that costly to implement. And if I were to tamper with or otherwise bamboozle said device, then I would be looking at a mandatory prison term..

I'm certain I heard a discussion on the radio in recent days that provisions for electronic tagging already exist in legislation, but for some reason nobody can be arsed implementing it.

RainyDay

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I don't think we need to. There are a lot of people in both youth and adult prisons doing time for petty non-violent and victimless offences who could be released,

Are you sure about this? Given that they didn't have room for Mick Wallace and Clare daly, I'm not sure that there are loads of folks inside for petty offences.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Iand also I have suggested house arrests and electronic tagging as an alternative to prison - my point simply being that by whatever means, somebody who is a known scumbag should not enjoy all the freedoms of an innocent person, whether in prison or out of it.

EDIT: Let's suppose I'm a "gangland figure well known to the Gardai". If I can't be jailed, why can't I be electronically tagged so that a Garda can log on to PULSE at any time and see my GPS location, such that if there is a major crime (like the Tipp burglary I have referenced), once it is reported to the Gardai, a Garda can straight away log on to PULSE and pull up that location at the time of the offense, and get an immediate readout of every known, tagged scumbag who was present at the location at that time? In this day and age, that wouldn't even be all that costly to implement. And if I were to tamper with or otherwise bamboozle said device, then I would be looking at a mandatory prison term.

I don't think you can tag somebody 'just in case', Maybe it could be done as part of extended probation terms, or similar.