Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

Spanish Eyes

Allyall wrote: »

They should post a couple of Gardaí on every route in/out of Drumcondra. It seems to be where every car used in a hit, is found burnt out.

That is the question. But according to reports, they were there. But what good did it do?

wokingvoter

dd972 wrote: »

Don't expect much to be done about this unless there's another Shane Geoghegan scenario, working class people are hated and derised in this country.

I wouldn't describe either the "victim" the "shooter" or shadowy background figures as "working" . Would you?

Riverireland

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

That is the question. But according to reports, they were there. But what good did it do?

The Guards are not going in when shootings are going on. In their minds they are neither equipped or paid enough to risk their lives and I can't say I disagree with them. The problem is the innocent people left in the situation while the Guards wait for the trouble to leave before they attend the scene. The situation is out of control, it may be possible to bring it back but I'm not seeing a will to do it for whatever reason. There is something absolutely rotten at the core of this.

HeidiHeidi

Riverireland wrote: »

The Guards are not going in when shootings are going on. In their minds they are neither equipped or paid enough to risk their lives and I can't say I disagree with them. The problem is the innocent people left in the situation while the Guards wait for the trouble to leave before they attend the scene. The situation is out of control, it may be possible to bring it back but I'm not seeing a will to do it for whatever reason. There is something absolutely rotten at the core of this.

Are you seriously suggesting that Gardai are sitting around the corner for five or ten minutes before rushing up to a scene of a shooting, because they think they're not paid enough or might be in danger??

Of all the daft theories that have been put out on this thread, that just trumps them all.

SEPT 23 1989

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that Gardai are sitting around the corner for five or ten minutes before rushing up to a scene of a shooting, because they think they're not paid enough or might be in danger??

Of all the daft theories that have been put out on this thread, that just trumps them all.

Don't think it's that daft Heidi

It's either totally incompetence policing in a tiny area of a city or they are letting things happen

Riverireland

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that Gardai are sitting around the corner for five or ten minutes before rushing up to a scene of a shooting, because they think they're not paid enough or might be in danger??

Of all the daft theories that have been put out on this thread, that just trumps them all.

Yes I am suggesting exactly that, why you would find it mildly remarkable amazes me. Maybe you could put forward an opinion on exactly why you think they would run around the corner and go into such a situation.

Spanish Eyes

Did I hear correctly that there is soon to be 1,500 new recruits to the Army?

Can someone tell me ( if I have it right of course), why this recruitment is so necessary in comparison to a smaller recruitment for the Gardai?

I just don't get it. But maybe someone will come along and explain it to me.

sonofenoch

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Why is none of this sh"t happening on the Southside?

Must be a ghetto of sorts for the crims North of the river.

But the Southside Inner city must have similar things going on, yet it seems quiet enough for now.

Apart from the Wild West that is.

West Dublin is Southside of the Liffey .....if anything it's where alot of the current gangs are active

Peter Anthony

wokingvoter wrote: »

I wouldn't describe either the "victim" the "shooter" or shadowy background figures as "working" . Would you?

The victim did work? He was working at the time he was killed! He was a barman and recently became pub manager. I suppose that doesn't suit the narrative you're going for.

Atlantic Dawn

Prime Time tonight dealing with who those involved in the feud are if any of you want an additional fix.

Atlantic Dawn

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Prime Time tonight dealing with who those involved in the feud are if any of you want an additional fix.

Well that was utter ****e.

Riverireland

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Well that was utter ****e.

That report in itself tells a lot. In a nutshell it had to be covered but as little as possible. Hardly Primetime Investigates, so much for journalism.

Peter Anthony

Whats the deal with murder in Clondalkin? Personal feud? Wonder did the killer make an opportunistic move with the other murder after happening. Also wonder is it related to this. http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/house-with-sleeping-petrol-bombed

Augme

Allyall wrote: »

They should post a couple of Gardaí on every route in/out of Drumcondra. It seems to be where every car used in a hit, is found burnt out.

And what about other crime in the area? Should resources not be put towards that? Posting Gardai on every route in and out of Drumcondra 24hours(or even 12 hours a day) seems like a really poor use of limited resources.

Loafing Oaf

This forum really needs an emoticon denoting jokes (or 'facetious remarks') going over people's heads...

Ally Dick

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that Gardai are sitting around the corner for five or ten minutes before rushing up to a scene of a shooting, because they think they're not paid enough or might be in danger??

Of all the daft theories that have been put out on this thread, that just trumps them all.

Not daft. Work to rule tactics. They don't feel paid well enough or equipped enough to do their job, so they're letting mayhem ensue so that they get more money and better equipment. I wouldn't have a problem with them being armed to be honest

nacho libre

The feud is starting to remind me of the Departed in many ways- who is working for who. or as the Frenchman, in the Munich movie, said to Avner: oh believe me, you don't know who you really work for. one state employee goes to work looking to uphold the law, another seeks to undermine it because he/she is greedy sod.

i will take it all back about Paul Williams if he exposes the extent of the corruption by state actors involved with these gangs.

Esel

nacho libre wrote: »

The feud is starting to remind me of the Departed in many ways- who is working for who. or as the Frenchman, in the Munich movie, said to Avner: oh believe me, you don't know who you really work for. one state employee goes to work looking to uphold the law, another seeks to undermine it because he/she is greedy sod.

i will take it all back about Paul Williams if he exposes the extent of the corruption by state actors involved with these gangs.

We need input from Major Sniffington-Eurbutt of the twenty committee, but don't hold your breath. I read one time that a genuine paranoiac does not say "If you knew what I know" - rather, they say "I know".

dakid

nacho libre wrote:

The feud is starting to remind me of the Departed in many ways- who is working for who. or as the Frenchman, in the Munich movie, said to Avner: oh believe me, you don't know who you really work for. one state employee goes to work looking to uphold the law, another seeks to undermine it because he/she is greedy sod.

And what exactly have you seen in this feufto say this reminds you of the departed or Munich?

topmanamillion

We need CAB and it's Spanish equivalent to get motoring.
It's ridiculous that Kinahan can sit untouched in Spain and Hutch sit in Dublin while this all goes on.
Attack their fortunes. Cut off the head and the beast dies.

Esel

topmanamillion wrote: »

We need CAB and it's Spanish equivalent to get motoring.
It's ridiculous that Kinahan can sit untouched in Spain and Hutch sit in Dublin while this all goes on.
Attack their fortunes. Cut off the head and the beast dies.

Corruption in Spain? Since the civil war? Nevar!

Simon2015

We need someone like Charles Bronson to clean up Dublin.

gangstergossip

i wonder if the clondalkin murder had anything to do with the notorious nelly who is currently serving a sentence

nacho libre

dakid wrote: »

And what exactly have you seen in this feufto say this reminds you of the departed or Munich?

Are you freaking serious? You can't see what is going on dakid- if that even really is your real name?

wokingvoter

Peter Anthony wrote: »

The victim did work? He was working at the time he was killed! He was a barman and recently became pub manager. I suppose that doesn't suit the narrative you're going for.

That pub is a notorious republican house. He may have been titled "pub manager" but that's not what his role was when he died.
You do realise that the victim was a dissident republican linked at the highest level to the gang who shot David Byrne in the Regency?
Do you think he was working as a barman to supplement his meagre income from the drugs importing/cigarette smuggling/protection business?
You need to get more informed about all this stuff because you seem naive.
6 men are dead. 1 in mistaken identity. Even he didn't nor has ever had a job. The others are criminals. Did you think that they were working men?

Samaris

wokingvoter wrote: »

You need to get more informed about all this stuff because you seem naive.
6 men are dead. 1 in mistaken identity. Even he didn't nor has ever had a job. The others are criminals. Did you think that they were working men?

Aren't you a charmer. And there's at least two dead (as I recall) that were entirely innocent of connections to the whole thing. Wasn't there a young lad, a plumber's apprentice shot on the doorstep? I grant that this might be an unconnected bit of ganglandism though.

SEPT 23 1989

The cartel want another fifteen whacked according to the papers

Can they be stopped

Stay tuned

wokingvoter

Samaris wrote: »

Aren't you a charmer. And there's at least two dead (as I recall) that were entirely innocent of connections to the whole thing. Wasn't there a young lad, a plumber's apprentice shot on the doorstep? I grant that this might be an unconnected bit of ganglandism though.

My husband left the house this morning at 7 to cycle to work in a meat factory for 12 hours. He cycles because although we're both working 30 years we can't afford 2 cars. Forgive me please if I sound sarcastic about people who are up to their tits in the proceeds of ill gotten gains being referred to as "working" class. I'm so sorry if that offends your politically correct delicate sensibilities.
The unfortunate man who was the victim of mistaken identity was not working class either. He was a drug addict who nonetheless managed to begat 3 children who us, the real working class, will continue to feed house and clothe for many years to come.
I'm a socialist myself. Every society has people who cannot look out for themselves.
Ireland is currently home to many.
Just don't ask me to queue up to concede that they are all victims because they're not.

Peter Anthony

wokingvoter wrote: »

That pub is a notorious republican house. He may have been titled "pub manager" but that's not what his role was when he died.
You do realise that the victim was a dissident republican linked at the highest level to the gang who shot David Byrne in the Regency?
Do you think he was working as a barman to supplement his meagre income from the drugs importing/cigarette smuggling/protection business?
You need to get more informed about all this stuff because you seem naive.
6 men are dead. 1 in mistaken identity. Even he didn't nor has ever had a job. The others are criminals. Did you think that they were working men?

You're naive, you've already been shown to be wrong. There is no evidence the victim was involved in drugs importing, smuggling cigarettes or protection. It would be all over the papers for a start. Any dissident republican involved in drug smuggling would be left in a ditch, it goes against everything they stand for.

Anyway this is not the point, the point is he had a job and was working at the time, so he did work. You can pontificate that none of these people are working people and extra income etc but as far as most people are concerned having a job means working. The Local Politicians seemed to say likewise.

wokingvoter

Peter Anthony wrote: »

You're naive, you've already been shown to be wrong. There is no evidence the victim was involved in drugs importing, smuggling cigarettes or protection. It would be all over the papers for a start. Any dissident republican involved in drug smuggling would be left in a ditch, it goes against everything they stand for.

Anyway this is not the point, the point is he had a job and was working at the time, so he did work. You can pontificate that none of these people are working people and extra income etc but as far as most people are concerned having a job means working. The Local Politicians seemed to say likewise.

So in your opinion he was shot because.........?
Also, you honestly think dissident republicans aren't involved in organised crime?

Peter Anthony

Peter Anthony wrote: »

Any dissident republican involved in drug smuggling would be left in a ditch, it goes against everything they stand for.

LOL !

jimgoose

wokingvoter wrote: »

...I'm a socialist myself...

I'm not.

wokingvoter wrote: »

..My husband left the house this morning at 7 to cycle to work in a meat factory for 12 hours. He cycles because although we're both working 30 years we can't afford 2 cars...

...and that's why. Good, decent people live in drudgery while dysfunctional, illiterate animals lord it over them.

chillin117

STB. wrote: »

Are you alright there pal.

The papers say it.

It says Bovril on the Buses but they don't sell it

Turquoise Hexagon Sun

A huge amount of dissident republicans are involved in drug-related crime. That's a fact. It's not for us to prove that they aren't, when we know they are by the wealth of evidence out there.. The burden of proof is on you to prove that they aren't Peter Anthony.

This guy wasn't innocent by any means. Is it right what happened? No. But was he innocent and not involved in the criminal underworld? Definitely not.

If any thing, their punishment beatings for drug-dealing are so they have more control over the drug trade or a part of them self-governing the community in places where the RUC/PSNI aren't to be trusted and they take matters in to their own hands.

Samaris

wokingvoter wrote: »

My husband left the house this morning at 7 to cycle to work in a meat factory for 12 hours. He cycles because although we're both working 30 years we can't afford 2 cars. Forgive me please if I sound sarcastic about people who are up to their tits in the proceeds of ill gotten gains being referred to as "working" class. I'm so sorry if that offends your politically correct delicate sensibilities.
The unfortunate man who was the victim of mistaken identity was not working class either. He was a drug addict who nonetheless managed to begat 3 children who us, the real working class, will continue to feed house and clothe for many years to come.
I'm a socialist myself. Every society has people who cannot look out for themselves.
Ireland is currently home to many.
Just don't ask me to queue up to concede that they are all victims because they're not.

Er, sorry for your loss? O.o

I mean...what? Excuse my delicate PC sensibilities and all that, but I can't help think that a guy not involved in organised crime who gets shot dead by an assassin is...yeah, you know, a victim. A dead one. It's really not okay that that man is dead because he was a homeless drug addict and not contributing to society (unlike you and your husband who can't afford a second car. Which sucks and all, but it's a bit first world problem compared to being shot in the head.)

Edit: Aha, going back a few pages and playing the pronoun game, I think you were mostly referring to the barman who appears to have been a dissident Republican. It begins to make a bit more sense now.

JC01

Peter Anthony wrote: »

:pac:

I'm not the one making serious unfounded allegations here, how is the burden of proof on me! If "it's a fact" then you can prove it? Where is the wealth of evidence Dissidents are involved in drug smuggling? Where is any evidence?

The issue was drug smuggling, changing it to "drug related crime" is a different issue. It's well known about the punishment shootings and extorting drug dealers, but actual drug smuggling is a different matter entirely.

"The RA" are up to their proverbials in drugs and to think otherwise shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject. Only the most ignorant of "republican" fantasists still cling to the holier-than-thou crap that a dissident would end up ina ditch for dealing.

dakid

nacho libre wrote:

Are you freaking serious? You can't see what is going on dakid- if that even really is your real name?

Sorry no I haven't a clue what you are referring to please explain.

JustTheOne

JC01 wrote: »

"The RA" are up to their proverbials in drugs and to think otherwise shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject. Only the most ignorant of "republican" fantasists still cling to the holier-than-thou crap that a dissident would end up ina ditch for dealing.

I always find this strange.

There is no real evidence of this apart from what the papers write, yet people clearly know the papers write anything to sell papers, but will believe what they write about dissidents.

I'm not saying it's not true but I never see any clear evidence.

armaghlad

JustTheOne wrote: »

I always find this strange.

There is no real evidence of this apart from what the papers write, yet people clearly know the papers write anything to sell papers, but will believe what they write about dissidents.

I'm not saying it's not true but I never see any clear evidence.

Yeah I remember the Provos used to actively shoot dead drug dealers under the guise of DAAD. Later there was RAAD which I think comes under the 'New IRA' umbrella group. But yeah clearly Republicans are up to their arms in drugs

ohnonotgmail

armaghlad wrote: »

Yeah I remember the Provos used to actively shoot dead drug dealers under the guise of DAAD. Later there was RAAD which I think comes under the 'New IRA' umbrella group. But yeah clearly Republicans are up to their arms in drugs

yeah but they only shot drug dealers that wouldnt pay them protection money.

Padraig1888

JC01 wrote: »

"The RA" are up to their proverbials in drugs and to think otherwise shows a complete lack of knowledge on the subject. Only the most ignorant of "republican" fantasists still cling to the holier-than-thou crap that a dissident would end up ina ditch for dealing.

Funny there is no convictions for republicans for drug related offences. Maybe extorting the scum dealing them, but dealing themselves - no chance.

Dyr

Turquoise Hexagon Sun wrote: »

A huge amount of dissident republicans are involved in drug-related crime. That's a fact. It's not for us to prove that they aren't, when we know they are by the wealth of evidence out there.. The burden of proof is on you to prove that they aren't Peter Anthony.

.

I think it's the other way around chiefy, the burden of proof lies with you

Off ya go, should be handy enough. There's a wealth of evidence I'm sure, that's evidence though not Paul Reynolds and Jim Cusacks opinion

armaghlad

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

yeah but they only shot drug dealers that wouldnt pay them protection money.

That's true to an extent. Others were shot for simply being drug dealers and not heeding to warnings

Peter Anthony

Padraig1888 wrote: »

Funny there is no convictions for republicans for drug related offences. Maybe extorting the scum dealing them, but dealing themselves - no chance.

Indeed, if they were up to eyes in drug dealing and smuggling, some of them would have conviction for such offenses. Thats all I said. The Herald is not gospel far too many people believe these newspapers. Far from a wealth of evidence there is no evidence.

Simon2015

Padraig1888 wrote: »

Funny there is no convictions for republicans for drug related offences.

"Republicans" have been importing drugs into Ireland since at least the late 1970s.

How do you think they funded the IRA ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

Dyr

Simon2015 wrote: »

"Republicans" have been importing drugs into Ireland since at least the late 1970s.

How do you think they funded the IRA ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

Thats what you have? Jesus wept

I guess with the big money they were making off the drugs they just carried out all those bank robberies and kidnappings in the 70s and 80s to keep their hand in. :rolleyes:

Simon2015

Bambi wrote: »

Thats what you have? Jesus wept

I guess with the big money they were making off the drugs they just carried out all those bank robberies and kidnappings in the 70s and 80s to keep their hand in. :rolleyes:

In order to buy drugs you first need capital. Thats why Criminals/Republicans also do other crimes to get the money they need to buy the drugs.

"Republican" James McCann was importing massive amounts of drugs into Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

Dyr

Simon2015 wrote: »

In order to buy drugs you first need capital. Thats why Criminals/Republicans also do other crimes to get the money they need to buy the drugs.

"Republican" James McCann was importing massive amounts of drugs into Ireland.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

Yeah you keep linking that wikipedia article about a weed smugler who's not a provo and was'nt convicted for smuggling any amount of drugs into Ireland.

It's all good shtuff

Simon2015

Bambi wrote: »

Yeah you keep linking that wikipedia article about a weed smugler who's not a provo and was'nt convicted for smuggling any amount of drugs into Ireland.

It's all good shtuff

He's no more a provo than Gerry Adams is :pac:

Simon2015

Padraig1888 wrote: »

Funny there is no convictions for republicans for drug related offences. Maybe extorting the scum dealing them, but dealing themselves - no chance.

I really have to laugh at people who say Republicans are not involved drugs.

In the area I grew up in the INLA have been been selling drugs for the last 20 years.