Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

JustTheOne

All this talk probably isn't the best idea anyway. As who knows what's the truth.

poa

JustTheOne wrote: »

They did hit back at eamon Kelly and a few other things but the gards caught them all red handed in the act.

Now their all locked up or awaiting trial.

So strange the gard's can wipe out the dissidents but can't catch one of the drug gangs in the act.

Strange indeed, as the prominent members of both the Kinahan's/Hutch's/dissidents are all under SDU monitoring full time.
I have a feeling that it suits the SDU to let the dissidents get wiped out.
As bad as the Kinahan's/Hutch's are a problem for them, they perceive the dissidents as the main threat; and want rid of them more.
For example, they had intelligence Gill paid the Taliban to take care of Alan/Vincent Ryan. But they have seemed to have let that go, despite suspecting the Taliban of carrying out 7 murders.
First the Taliban fled to Derry, but now they have returned to Dublin as they have realised the heat is off them.
It's as if the SDU want them back in Dublin to clean up the remainder of the dissidents.
Another thing I suspect, is that the Kinahan's have a mole in the Gardai feeding them information.
I think given the choice, the SDU would prefer to let the Kinahan's rule Dublin if it means they clean up the Hutch's and dissidents for them.

poa

JustTheOne wrote: »

All this talk probably isn't the best idea anyway. As who knows what's the truth.

Nicola Tallant and Paul Williams apparently.
Paper never refused ink.

The flying mouse

JustTheOne wrote: »

All this talk probably isn't the best idea anyway. As who knows what's the truth.

Its a discussion board and we are discussing :P Who knows the truth about anything discussed anywhere on boards ? except the people directly involved.

You get more information here than you will of the media who must honestly be stoned out of there heads with the crap they write.

We can all have opinions, I mean it is unprecedented in what's happening and what the final outcome will be...

JustTheOne

The flying mouse wrote: »

Its a discussion board and we are discussing :P Who knows the truth about anything discussed anywhere on boards ? except the people directly involved.

You get more information here than you will of the media who must honestly be stoned out of there heads with the crap they write.

We can all have opinions, I mean it is unprecedented in what's happening and what the final outcome will be...

I know but there is a lot of allegations flying around.

DamienDarts

Is there any link for the IRA statement from today?

The flying mouse

JustTheOne wrote: »

I know but there is a lot of allegations flying around.

That's what flying mouse's do, fly allegations around :P:pac:

The flying mouse

Anyway there is more truth being said here than anywhere else, but yes we have to be aware of making allegations, but once again there is more being said here than any of the so called crime journalists n Ireland, It would make you want to put a tin foil hat on...night now.

poa

poa wrote: »

I think given the choice, the SDU would prefer to let the Kinahan's rule Dublin if it means they clean up the Hutch's and dissidents for them.

Ah yea, cos SDU are mad to do themselves out of a job!!

Spanish Eyes

There is no way that any venue will support a boxing thing anymore.

Especially hotels, unless they have to because......

Peter Anthony

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

There is no way that any venue will support a boxing thing anymore.

Especially hotels, unless they have to because......

Money talks in that situation. Most of the shows have been in Scotland since, nothing much here understandably.

poa

bubblypop wrote: »

Ah yea, cos SDU are mad to do themselves out of a job!!

Barr was a top target for the SDU. He had already been acquitted of IRA membership at the SCC. So they had to settle for his guilty plea to handling stolen electrical goods. They knew he was NIRA but couldn't prove it. The dissidents have admitted he was; so its a mute point.
The thing is, the SDU were around the corner from the Sunset House in Summerhill when the shooting happened. They knew Barr was there as they had him under surveillance.
The question is, how could they miss 2 masked men walking in? Unless they wanted to.
Killing the leader of the NIRA suits them. No trial needed.
When it comes to dissidents, yes; they are mad to do themselves out of a job.
This isn't a new thing. The General was under constant surveillance, and the one day he wasn't he was killed (probably by IRA). Don't think that they don't allow these accidents to happen on their watch when it suits them.
The SDU have more than enough work keeping on top of the dissidents, the Kinahan/Hutch feud is just adding to their workload.
So say you were them; would you mind if 33% of your workload gets wiped out?

poa

Peter Anthony wrote: »

Money talks in that situation. Most of the shows have been in Scotland since, nothing much here understandably.

Money certainly does talk.
Boxing is a great way to launder money.
Kinahan was previously tried for fixing UK horse races, the bets being made with laundered money.
So it wouldn't surprise me if boxing is the new way. They fix the outcome, and bet with laundered money on the correct result.
Win/win situation. Money laundered plus net profit for the trouble.
Car dealerships are another way of course. Turning over high end executive cars is a quick way to wash dirty money.
The question is, do the Kinahan's have a mole in the Gardai feeding them information?
They do seem to know when not to be around before a raid etc.

Peter Anthony

JustTheOne wrote: »

All this talk probably isn't the best idea anyway. As who knows what's the truth.

It's interesting for some people but I said similar before. Throwing names around is not a wise idea for anyone. Ireland is a small country and an even smaller online community. I have my own theories on things but there is no doubt this thread is being monitored by SDU and major criminals.

I know of similar cases indeed where one criminal gang were being discussed and indeed registered and responded on this very forum. Other high ranking gangland individuals actively making threats on facebook, and in other cases individuals online posts were put before them in Court cases and indeed imprisoned afterward.

poa

Peter Anthony wrote: »

It's interesting for some people but I said similar before. Throwing names around is not a wise idea for anyone. Ireland is a small country and an even smaller online community. I have my own theories on things but there is no doubt this thread is being monitored by SDU and major criminals.

I know of similar cases indeed where one criminal gang were being discussed and indeed registered and responded on this very forum. Other high ranking gangland individuals actively making threats on facebook, and in other cases individuals online posts were put before them in Court cases and indeed imprisoned afterward.

You may be very close to the truth there. It wouldn't surprise me if say; Paul Williams was on here posting. Or the SDU. Or maybe even Daniel himself.
On a positive note though, I think the dissidents are too thick to know how to register.

DamienDarts

Peter Anthony wrote: »

I know of similar cases indeed where one criminal gang were being discussed and indeed registered and responded on this very forum.

Come on you have to put up a link to that!

poa

poa wrote: »

. No trial needed.
When it comes to dissidents, yes; they are mad to do themselves out of a job.

So say you were them; would you mind if 33% of your workload gets wiped out?

No trial needed anyway, because he pleaded guilty, due for sentencing today actually in the SCC.

No, I wouldn't do myself out of a nice job.

gangstergossip

i think the sdu have their priorities backwards trying to take the dissidents down why do they even care what they do when their main plan is for attacks not even in this state the kinahans are a much bigger threat to the state than the NIRA they have a lot more money and are killing on a regular basis. Sadly i think if you look at the evidence there is no way the kinahans can operate like they do with out people inside the gardai and the sdu we need jim gordan from gotham to come in and clean the force up

SEPT 23 1989

poa wrote: »

You may be very close to the truth there. It wouldn't surprise me if say; Paul Williams was on here posting. Or the SDU. Or maybe even Daniel himself.
On a positive note though, I think the dissidents are too thick to know how to register.

Well let them speak this is a discussion forum after all

gangstergossip

gangstergossip wrote: »

i think the sdu have their priorities backwards trying to take the dissidents down why do they even care what they do when their main plan is for attacks not even in this state the kinahans are a much bigger threat to the state than the NIRA they have a lot more money and are killing on a regular basis. Sadly i think if you look at the evidence there is no way the kinahans can operate like they do with out people inside the gardai and the sdu we need jim gordan from gotham to come in and clean the force up

Sorry pet, but SDU are the counter terrorism unit here.

If you want a Garda unit whose main target are criminal gangs, than maybe look towards OCU.

SDU have far more to bother themselves with. Ever hear of international terrorism?

gangstergossip

bubblypop wrote: »

Sorry pet, but SDU are the counter terrorism unit here.

If you want a Garda unit whose main target are criminal gangs, than maybe look towards OCU.

SDU have far more to bother themselves with. Ever hear of international terrorism?

dont be sorry pet why dont you look the sdu up they deal with threats to the state AND organised crime gangs which i would say the kinahan cartel is both i wouldnt really class the NIRA as a threat to the state now in anyway they dont have the capabilities to be a threat to the state and there focus is on adifferent state for terrorism altogether when was the last time the NIRA committed a terrorist attack in this state? and international terrorism LOL they dont investigate any islamic terrorist groups here if isis attacked Ireland we would be ****ed it would be a massacre while the sdu are running around trying to catch a NIRA member shake a 2 bit dealer down for a bit of spare change

Tilly

I don't know what any of these abbreviations are

gangstergossip

gangstergossip wrote: »

dont be sorry pet why dont you look the sdu up they deal with threats to the state AND organised crime gangs which i would say the kinahan cartel is both i wouldnt really class the NIRA as a threat to the state now in anyway they dont have the capabilities to be a threat to the state and there focus is on adifferent state for terrorism altogether when was the last time the NIRA committed a terrorist attack in this state? and international terrorism LOL they dont investigate any islamic terrorist groups here if isis attacked Ireland we would be ****ed it would be a massacre while the sdu are running around trying to catch a NIRA member shake a 2 bit dealer down for a bit of spare change

No. SDU are the counter terrorism unit in this country.
While you may think there's no international terrorism here, Ireland is one of the big countries for raising money for it, plus it's also a country were a lot of radicalisation happens.
When the US found Bin Ladans hide, there was a man living in Ireland on their top ten most wanted list.
NIRA have not committed a terrorist attack, however plenty of CIRA & RIRA members have been arrested, with large amounts of weapons & ammunition.
Do you think that because the bomb found in kilcurry co. Louth last year was destined for the north, that gardai should turn a blind eye to the fact it was made down here?

As I said, there is an Organised Crime Unit in AGS.

gangstergossip

bubblypop wrote: »

No. SDU are the counter terrorism unit in this country.
While you may think there's no international terrorism here, Ireland is one of the big countries for raising money for it, plus it's also a country were a lot of radicalisation happens.
When the US found Bin Ladans hide, there was a man living in Ireland on their top ten most wanted list.
NIRA have not committed a terrorist attack, however plenty of CIRA & RIRA members have been arrested, with large amounts of weapons & ammunition.
Do you think that because the bomb found in kilcurry co. Louth last year was destined for the north, that gardai should turn a blind eye to the fact it was made down here?

As I said, there is an Organised Crime Unit in AGS.

sdu gather intelligence on criminal gangs as well as terrorist groups they target any group that can pose a danger to the state and do you not think the cartel poses a bigger threat to the state than NIRA or any other dissident faction? and if it took the americans to find out that there was a islamic terrorist connected to bin laden living in Ireland who was on the top 10 most wanted does that not tell you how little the sdu know about international terroists. yea cira and rira have been arrested with weapons and ammo but organised crime gangs have caused far more bloodshed in the state in recent years than any of theses groups. i dont think the gardai should turn a blind eye to bombs been made here but i think they should be more focused on groups targeting our own state than neighbouring ones surely the safety of our citizens should be the priority over other states wouldnt you agree?

gangstergossip

gangstergossip wrote: »

sdu gather intelligence on criminal gangs as well as terrorist groups they target any group that can pose a danger to the state and do you not think the cartel poses a bigger threat to the state than NIRA or any other dissident faction? and if it took the americans to find out that there was a islamic terrorist connected to bin laden living in Ireland who was on the top 10 most wanted does that not tell you how little the sdu know about international terroists. yea cira and rira have been arrested with weapons and ammo but organised crime gangs have caused far more bloodshed in the state in recent years than any of theses groups. i dont think the gardai should turn a blind eye to bombs been made here but i think they should be more focused on groups targeting our own state than neighbouring ones surely the safety of our citizens should be the priority over other states wouldnt you agree?

All gardai gather intelligence on criminal gangs. All gardai
And I think you will find that citizens living in northern Ireland, are also citizens of Ireland.
And even if they were not, they still deserve protection, wouldn't you agree?

I would agree that there should be a specialist Garda unit tasked with monitoring criminal gangs, fortunately there is! OCU!

Now, you should write to the commissioner perhaps, and suggest that her counter terrorism unit should also be used for criminal activity in Dublin, but I'd imagine she would tell you the same as me, there is an Organised Crime Unit!
And they didn't need the US to tell them, I'm just letting you know something that is widely available, so you understand that international terrorism is not something we can ignore.
Ignore it at our peril.

Off topic anyway, just wanted you to sound like you actually know what you're talking about!

gangstergossip

bubblypop wrote: »

All gardai gather intelligence on criminal gangs. All gardai
And I think you will find that citizens living in northern Ireland, are also citizens of Ireland.
And even if they were not, they still deserve protection, wouldn't you agree?

I would agree that there should be a specialist Garda unit tasked with monitoring criminal gangs, fortunately there is! OCU!

Now, you should write to the commissioner perhaps, and suggest that her counter terrorism unit should also be used for criminal activity in Dublin, but I'd imagine she would tell you the same as me, there is an Organised Crime Unit!
And they didn't need the US to tell them, I'm just letting you know something that is widely available, so you understand that international terrorism is not something we can ignore.
Ignore it at our peril.

Off topic anyway, just wanted you to sound like you actually know what you're talking about!

I would agree citizens of northern Ireland well the ones that claim irish nationality are citizens of Ireland and they should be afforded protection too but they have far more protection than we have mi5 are better than any garda unit we have not to mention the psni are far superior to the gardai. What im trying to say is the ocu is not effective at all they are bunch of useless pricks and their methods dont work the sdu would be far more suited too criminal organisations the size of the kinahan cartels.
Im not saying international terrorism is something we should ignore i think its something that should be followed more closely here with more resources instead of them been wasted monitoring the likes of NIRA and the rest of the dissident groups which are nowhere near the strenght they used to be there just a rag tag bunch ex republicans who cant even take on the smaller drug gangs now. but yea we are off topic

Peter Anthony

I'd say round half of all "active" Dissidents are working as informants/touts with the Gardai or MI5 in the North. The other half end up assasinated in highly suspicious circumstances, and the killers are rarely if ever brought to justice.

The smart individuals who get involved, discover hard truths and can get out unscathed. Others aren't so lucky and many have made their beds.

tomwaterford

Peter Anthony wrote: »

I'd say round half of all "active" Dissidents are working as informants/touts with the Gardai or MI5 in the North. The other half end up assasinated in highly suspicious circumstances, and the killers are rarely if ever brought to justice.

The smart individuals who get involved, discover hard truths and can get out unscathed. Others aren't so lucky and many have made their beds.

I'd say you are somewhat wrong as its come up time and again particularly in dissident trials in the north the use of electronic surveillance


What has them beaten is their is a distrust between the different groups Hence all these micro-factions...which history suggests won't work.....but their is a reluctance on parts of many to work with each other even in a political setting



Whether all this is a good/bad thing is up to yourself to conclude

Ken.

Mod-gangstergossip and bubblypop do not post in this thread again.

Esel

tomwaterford wrote: »

I'd say you are somewhat wrong as its come up time and again particularly in dissident trials in the north the use of electronic surveillance

Obviously, because the human source is too valuable. Much better to provide/claim elint evidence.

Ken.

Mod-Do not discuss mod actions on thread. A few of you have been around long enough to know its not on.

timthumbni

Republican terrorists getting involved with criminal elements. It's almost as if republicans themselves are in some way involved in criminality. Shocker.....

Anyway I'm sure this will enhance the chances of a "united Ireland" a thousand fold. ;-)

Interesting that an earlier poster compared the armed psni to the Garda. There is no comparison. The psni are armed because they are at constant threat from Irish republicans both on duty and off duty. Otherwise they wouldn't probably have guns either.

The police in the rest of the U.K. aren't armed either. (Aside from specialist units just like the Garda)

Being a gangster in Ireland doesn't really sound that attractive at the moment though. There is no honour amongst thieves/republicans it seems.

armaghlad

timthumbni wrote: »

There is no honour amongst thieves/republicans it seems.

Are we about to have another Shinner bashing thread?

davycc

armaghlad wrote: »

Are we about to have another Shinner bashing thread?

our wee 'moderate' timmay needs his daily shinner fap :pac:

Atlantic Dawn

Paul Williams is on The Late Late Show later talking about whether we should arm the Gardaí or not.

carzony

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Paul Williams is on The Late Late Show later talking about whether we should arm the Gardaí or not.

jaysus, he was only on a couple of weeks ago. Rte struggling for guests as usual. Arming the Gardai is not going to happen. They are having trouble keeping hold of personnel, cars, basic equipment as is hardly gonna invest in guns, training ect...

flanzer

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Paul Williams is on The Late Late Show later talking about whether we should arm the Gardaí or not.

My start of the week prediction:

flanzer wrote: »

Another opportunity to appear on the Late Late this Friday perhaps? RTE will have him on something in the coming days no doubt

Jesus fu(king Christ

timthumbni

armaghlad wrote: »

Are we about to have another Shinner bashing thread?

You mentioned them, not me. You were also the one who compared the psni to the Garda in terms of carrying weapons. I'm sure you are smart enough to realise why the psni and the ruc before them were armed.

Do you think that all Garda should be armed with guns? They are not under constant terrorist threat unlike the psni so I doubt there would be a lot of support for changing the current policing method in the republic. Just like in the rest of the U.K. Aside from Norn iron I think it's nice if they don't need to have guns. Though things may change in the future.

TallGlass

carzony wrote: »

jaysus, he was only on a couple of weeks ago. Rte struggling for guests as usual. Arming the Gardai is not going to happen. They are having trouble keeping hold of personnel, cars, basic equipment as is hardly gonna invest in guns, training ect...

Considering that most of them are not even allowed to drive cars, can't see how they'll get a gun.

And Jesus Christ god forbid if someone actully shot of a gun. Paper work and claims all over the place. There be more red tape than a red tape factory.

TheFatHombre

timthumbni wrote: »

You mentioned them, not me. You were also the one who compared the psni to the Garda in terms of carrying weapons. I'm sure you are smart enough to realise why the psni and the ruc before them were armed.

Do you think that all Garda should be armed with guns? They are not under constant terrorist threat unlike the psni so I doubt there would be a lot of support for changing the current policing method in the republic. Just like in the rest of the U.K. Aside from Norn iron I think it's nice if they don't need to have guns. Though things may change in the future.

You don't necessarily have to be under terrorist threat for your police force to be armed, a police force should become armed when the ones they are fighting are also armed it's simple, works in Spain

chillin117

Paul Williams coming up, Late late show Every time someone is shot he makes money, Bit like an undertaker I suppose ....

bajer101

gangstergossip wrote: »

i heard the exact same story as you recently pal except i was been told gf instead of rb

Just getting back to this. You are right. It was GF who was lured and it was RB who lured him.

seerscryer

Peter Anthony wrote: »

I'd say round half of all "active" Dissidents are working as informants/touts with the Gardai or MI5 in the North. The other half end up assasinated in highly suspicious circumstances, and the killers are rarely if ever brought to justice.

The smart individuals who get involved, discover hard truths and can get out unscathed. Others aren't so lucky and many have made their beds.

If we were to follow this premiss, does the forum believe that the assuming that the Hutch faction were working with, or hired dissidents to assist in the Regency Hotel attack, that "informants/touts" in the Hutch camp or the dissident camp have been supplying information to the authorities?

Because if find it incredible that all of the arrests have been made against against members of the Hutch faction and republican dissidents. Most of the murders appear to be against the same groupings and yet almost nothing against the Kinahan group, except the confiscation of luxury motor cars and some watches.

armaghlad

timthumbni wrote: »

You mentioned them, not me. You were also the one who compared the psni to the Garda in terms of carrying weapons. I'm sure you are smart enough to realise why the psni and the ruc before them were armed.

Do you think that all Garda should be armed with guns? They are not under constant terrorist threat unlike the psni so I doubt there would be a lot of support for changing the current policing method in the republic. Just like in the rest of the U.K. Aside from Norn iron I think it's nice if they don't need to have guns. Though things may change in the future.

Of course I am smart enough to know why, since Northern Ireland was created the police have always been armed. That's just a symptom of partitioning a country. I compared the two because NI is substantially smaller in both size and population to ROI; yet AGS is vastly under resourced. When do you ever see the PSNI trundling about in a clapped out 01 Corolla?

tomwaterford

TheFatHombre wrote: »

You don't necessarily have to be under terrorist threat for your police force to be armed, a police force should become armed when the ones they are fighting are also armed it's simple, works in Spain

American logic.....I know what'll fix this problem....more guns :rolleyes: :pac:

SEPT 23 1989

Things usually go a bit turbo over a bank holiday weekend

Capone79

gangstergossip

bajer101 wrote: »

Just getting back to this. You are right. It was GF who was lured and it was RB who lured him.

thats some deep betrayal so rb is kinahan sided and gf is hutch sided then?

hatrickpatrick

To anyone well versed in their Dublin gang differences, is this particular feud more or less dangerous / vicious than the Rattigan / Thompson feud of the mid 2000s in Dublins 8 and 12?

The one feature which seems to be different this time is that it seems to be very much targeted shootings rather than all out street fighting, which seemed to be a feature of the Rattigan/Thompson feud. I've heard horror stories over the years about some estates around Cork St becoming no-go areas at night due to teenaged relatives of the "Big Fish" gang members openly fighting in the car parks, heard one story of some kid who was a cousin of one of the gang leaders having his dog attacked by a mob outside a shop in Crumlin, etc. In other words, the feud spilled over into the wider community and resulted in, for a few months at least, a barrage of general antisocial behaviour.

This one seemed to be more deadly, but more sparse, in that it's not so much a night after night rioting in particular roads / streets thing. Yet some on Twitter suggest that it's going to be far worse than the Rattigan/Thompson feud unless it gets nipped in the bud very soon.

Just wondering if anyone who knows more about these feuds has an opinion on this? Will we see a return to certain streets / areas of the city becoming too dangerous to enter / drive through because of the constant thread of gang violence?

Discodog

tomwaterford wrote: »

American logic.....I know what'll fix this problem....more guns :rolleyes: :pac:

The Garda use of guns is dumb. Get some nice powerful cars like Audis & Volvos & plaster Armed Response Vehicle down the side. Best way to commit an armed robbery - wait till the ARV is miles away.

The UK Police have it right. You have no idea if a car is carrying firearms.