Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

buried

This is what happens when you don't share the wealth around the island and confine it to one little part of the country. That one little part becomes the main high grade cocaine market and then you get all this bangbang wannabe scarface $hit. The Dublin based media love glorifying about it because the Dublin based media are the biggest customers and consumers of the stuff

Stheno

buried wrote: »

This is what happens when you don't share the wealth around the island and confine it to one little part of the country. That one little part becomes the main high grade cocaine market and then you get all this bangbang wannabe scarface $hit. The Dublin based media love glorifying about it because the Dublin based media are the biggest customers and consumers of the stuff

wtf? These people were all originally Dublin based?

It's not like they are from ballygobackward?

And you do realise that tax contributed by Dublin disproportionately supports the rest of the country?

dd972

Aineoil wrote: »

The Campbell case was just so sad - wrong place at the wrong time. Terrible for his family.

No, a decent young chap doing a days work, you never hear of the scum being in the wrong place at the wrong time doing the wrong things.

Hammer89

AnonoBoy wrote: »

You say it's easier to make money the illegal way - so then.... laziness?

I know loads of people from bad environments who aren't criminals. What did they have that the criminals don't?

And just to be clear - I'm not talking about young lads who made a mistake or two. Everyone has made mistakes - I certainly did. I'm talking about these career criminals who know exactly what they're doing, know that it's completely wrong but yet choose to do it.

And people think these f*ckwits are "admirable"?

Why's that then?

Who's saying they're admirable? I'm not. I could care less if every gangster in Ireland dropped dead right now.

I'm saying gangsters often become gangsters as a result of their surroundings during childhood. Quite a lot of them might've been deprived of a lot of things as children. Quite a lot of them would've had work-shy parents, who didn't set positive examples for the kids during their seminal years.

If you've got absolutely no work ethic, which is a learned trait, then ideally you'll want an easy way to make money and it doesn't come much easier than selling drugs or robbing shops.

I'm not condoning a criminal's way of life, because there is a certain age where we're all accountable for what we do, but a lot of these blokes were born to be scumbags - but they weren't born as scumbags and that's key.

Kermit.de.frog

I was half expecting the boxer with the superman boxers was running off to get his cape to protect the citizens.


But he just ran away

Kermit.de.frog

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Hammer89

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I was half expecting the boxer with the superman boxers was running off to get his cape to protect the citizens.

But he just ran away

I would've been on the 46a by the time the second shot was fired to be fair.

StewartGriffin

tigger123 wrote: »

This thread is going well.

It's right up there with the USB stick thread.

AnonoBoy

Hammer89 wrote: »

Who's saying they're admirable? I'm not.

bajer101 is saying it pretty much.

That's who I was addressing.

Stheno

Hammer89 wrote: »

I'm not condoning a criminal's way of life, because there is a certain age where we're all accountable for what we do, but a lot of these blokes were born to be scumbags - but they weren't born as scumbags and that's key.

So Gerry Hutch can be a clean living individual while choosing a criminals life and still be clean living?

The man allegedly stole millions in two bank robberies, then allegedly turned away from a life of crime more than a decade ago, but is now being linked to these murders?

Are you saying they have chosen to pursue this life?

I'm asking that as someone from a fairly non priviledged background, who has done ok btw

Maximus Alexander

I can't be the only one who's never heard of any of these people?

Stheno

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

I was half expecting the boxer with the superman boxers was running off to get his cape to protect the citizens.


But he just ran away

I found that most ironic.

buried

Stheno wrote: »

wtf? These people were all originally Dublin based?

It's not like they are from ballygobackward?

And you do realise that tax contributed by Dublin disproportionately supports the rest of the country?

No idea what your on about really, but the fact is this - Wherever you have the highest levels of monetary wealth you will have the highest level of high grade narcotic usage. With that you will have the highest concentration of criminal gangs looking to take advantage of that actual situation. A five year old can tell you that. You won't see any cocaine gang wars going on in "ballygobackward" or whatever the F**k that means

prinzeugen

Stheno wrote: »

So Gerry Hutch can be a clean living individual while choosing a criminals life and still be clean living?

The man allegedly stole millions in two bank robberies, then allegedly turned away from a life of crime more than a decade ago, but is now being linked to these murders?

Are you saying they have chosen to pursue this life?

I'm asking that as someone from a fairly non priviledged background, who has done ok btw

Overheard a conversation between three teen boys on the 83 a few weeks ago.

It centred around what the worst crime they could do and not get jail time.

They were boasting that they "knew" blah blah and they got away with xxxx etc.

These guys though criminals were hero's and wanted to copy them.

So yes, they choose that lifestyle.

AnonoBoy

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

I can't be the only one who's never heard of any of these people?

Me either - they all fade into one big blur of criminal scumbags to me. The people who keep tabs on them and their "achievements" as if they're following sporting legends are worrying though.

Hammer89

Stheno wrote: »

So Gerry Hutch can be a clean living individual while choosing a criminals life and still be clean living?

The man allegedly stole millions in two bank robberies, then allegedly turned away from a life of crime more than a decade ago, but is now being linked to these murders?

Are you saying they have chosen to pursue this life?

I'm asking that as someone from a fairly non priviledged background, who has done ok btw

Let's just say I think a lot of children are f*cked before they're even born. Naturally some will prosper - the rose that grew from concrete like Tupac said - but a lot of them aren't going to have a superb quality of life in the long run I don't think. We're talking a life on the dole, a life of crime or a life of odd jobs here and there but nothing you'd call a career.

buried

buried wrote: »

No idea what your on about really, but the fact is this - Wherever you have the highest levels of monetary wealth you will have the highest level of high grade narcotic usage. With that you will have the highest concentration of criminal gangs looking to take advantage of that actual situation. A five year old can tell you that. You won't see any cocaine gang wars going on in "ballygobackward" or whatever the F**k that means

Drugs everywhere. I live in a small village in Tipp and there is quite a few dealers around here and in other surrounding areas. Obviously not on the scale of cities but like Broadband, it started in the urban areas and bit by bit it was distributed to the rural areas

One guy was caught in possession recently and now the Limerick crowd are looking for payback from what i hear

buried

Deleted User wrote: »

Drugs everywhere. I live in a small village in Tipp and there is quite a few dealers around here and in other surrounding areas. Obviously not on the scale of cities but like Broadband, it started in the urban areas and bit by bit it was distributed to the rural areas

Rural areas have $hit broadband and $hit drugs. The real stuff is in Dublin.

buried

buried wrote: »

Rural areas have $hit broadband and $hit drugs. The real stuff is in Dublin.

Ha ha true (on the broadband anyway i dunno about the other) but my point is villages aren't sleepy any more and the worse the quality of drugs the bigger the problem.

JupiterKid

What a horrible thing to happen. And there were children there too. I'd say this'll set off a series of tit for tat gangland killings.

lanomist

What is breaking my heart is the child shouting for her Daddy, did the pick run and leave her behind

Stheno

Hammer89 wrote: »

Let's just say I think a lot of children are f*cked before they're even born. Naturally some will prosper - the rose that grew from concrete like Tupac said - but a lot of them aren't going to have a superb quality of life in the long run I don't think. We're talking a life on the dole, a life of crime or a life of odd jobs here and there but nothing you'd call a career.

I'm not sure I agree, i'm the oldest of ten and of that ten, born to parents who didn't have a lot of money ever, there's a teacher, a therapist, a telepony specialist, someone in a senior HR position, and an It specialist out of ten of us.

Others are working in the charity sector, multiples of us have third level degrees, and we were all grant funded first time round.

Maybe it's an ethic that my parents instilled, it's certainly not ingrained from birth as you suggest.

Deleted User wrote: »

Ha ha true (on the broadband anyway i dunno about the other) but my point is villages aren't sleepy any more and the worse the quality of drugs the bigger the problem.

Drugs are everywhere tbh

JupiterKid

JupiterKid wrote: »

What a horrible thing to happen. And there were children there too. I'd say this'll set off a series of tit for tat gangland killings.

It was so blatant and disregarding of the general safety of those innocent bystanders

Reminded me a bit of this in Melbourne in 1979 or this ( underbelly spoiler)

lanomist

lanomist wrote: »

What is breaking my heart is the child shouting for her Daddy, did the pick run and leave her behind

She could have easily got lost in the ensuing panic. Im sure it was practically a stampede. For all you know he could have been looking frantically for her or could have actually had her in his arms even

Hammer89

Stheno wrote: »

I'm not sure I agree, i'm the oldest of ten and of that ten, born to parents who didn't have a lot of money ever, there's a teacher, a therapist, a telepony specialist, someone in a senior HR position, and an It specialist out of ten of us.

Others are working in the charity sector, multiples of us have third level degrees, and we were all grant funded first time round.

Maybe it's an ethic that my parents instilled, it's certainly not ingrained from birth as you suggest.

It is an ethic that your parents instilled. I absolutely wasn't suggesting that work ethic is inherited. As I said in an earlier post, it's a learned trait. You and your siblings are obviously the roses that grew from concrete as I said - the exceptions.

You's probably had very decent parents, who weren't slumped on the couch when you got home from school every day. But that's the kind of example a lot of children from rough areas learn from - if the dad is even present, which in a lot of cases he isn't - and it breeds a generation of no-hopers and some of those will turn toward crime.

When I said a lot of children are destined for relatively sh*t lives, I meant because they're being born to parents who haven't got the money to give them a better life or the work ethic to show them a better way.

Kermit.de.frog

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Kermit.de.frog

Serious questions to be asked of the gardai. They must have known and if they didn't they must be totally incompetent to not even have officers at the event.

We don't take crime at any level seriously in this country. I would vote for any party who said they were going to round all these fcukers up and throw them in jail for 30 years. Ridiculous. Can't even be at a hotel now without the possibility of something like that occurring. Time to wake up and have proper policing and justice system.

VEN

bajer101 wrote: »

this was without a shadow of a doubt the best planned hit that has happened here in a long, long time. Headshot to the lesser Byrne (or maybe Rowe), and a leg wound to Dan Jr. is my bet. Calculated, but not all out war. In its own way, it's an olive branch.

or just slipped on the oil and missed a few.

kupus

You do the crime, you do the time. Ive been saying this for years. THe softly hands off approach is not working and is directly responsible for the rise in crime. repeat offenders have not learned the error of their ways, not after the 14th conviction, and especially not after the 55th .
But hey at least the lawyers are getting paid for their repeat offenders. Repeat business is the corner stone of any business. whether its a candy shop or a lawyers shop.

its enabled people like kinahans etc to become more ruthless knowning full well they get off scott free, since the low level scum are usually the peddlers.
ah go on, shure your only on your 20th conviction youll only do 6 months, be out in three.

kupus

You do the crime, you do the time. Ive been saying this for years. THe softly hands off approach is not working and is directly responsible for the rise in crime. repeat offenders have not learned the error of their ways, not after the 14th conviction, and especially not after the 55th .
But hey at least the lawyers are getting paid for their repeat offenders. Repeat business is the corner stone of any business. whether its a candy shop or a lawyers shop.

its enabled people like kinahans etc to become more ruthless knowning full well they get off scott free, since the low level scum are usually the peddlers.
ah go on, shure your only on your 20th conviction youll only do 6 months, be out in three.


its a natural progression, the more you bend the rules, the more inclined you will break them. its not rocket science.
its like kids, you let them run riot when they are small in their formative years, do you think theyll become writers or artists or poets when they get of age, for arguements sake ill say some do. the vast majority dont.

From the amount of information online, took about 10 minutes of article reading about what was known leading up to this, it does worry me that any investigation that was ongoing, couldn't predict something like this could happen, especially since the victim was warned his life was in danger!

Not feeling sorry for the criminal, but feeling sorry for those innocent people that were there and had to go through this!

Sounded too professional though to be any old cocaine fuelled outfit run by Anto the drug dealer!

Luke92

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Serious questions to be asked of the gardai. They must have known and if they didn't they must be totally incompetent to not even have officers at the event.

My thoughts exactly. Same thing happened in November at the red cow. A boxing event endorsed by the same gym. Attended by the same gangsters. Yet they just think it's gonna be all dandy today? Mind boggling.

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/fatpuss-calling-in-gangland-favours-to-stop-brother-being-killed

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http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/named-the-major-players-watching-closely-over-their-shoulders

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http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/fit-freddie-thompson-slims-down-as-he-settles-feud-with-kinahans

refusetolose

from last week....

http://www.herald.ie/news/armed-gardai-on-alert-as-kinahan-mob-fly-in-for-boxing-events-34408940.html

A special policing plan involving armed gardai will be put in place next weekend in the capital when members of the Christy Kinahan cartel are expected to be out in force for two boxing events.

Gamebred

refusetolose wrote: »

from last week....

http://www.herald.ie/news/armed-gardai-on-alert-as-kinahan-mob-fly-in-for-boxing-events-34408940.html

A special policing plan involving armed gardai will be put in place next weekend in the capital when members of the Christy Kinahan cartel are expected to be out in force for two boxing events.

It amazes me how these criminals are under surveillance 24/7 yet when they get murdered the police are no where to be seen,all these hits cant be well planned many high profile criminals shot dead in Dublin ive noticed this to be the case,





http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/exclusive-dramatic-moment-gunmen-storm-dublin-hotel-34427111.html


The Indo have incredible pics of the gunmen here,dont know how or who took them.

refusetolose

Gamebred wrote: »

It amazes me how these criminals are under surveillance 24/7 yet when they get murdered the police are no where to be seen,all these hits cant be well planned many high profile criminals shot dead in Dublin ive noticed this to be the case,





http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/exclusive-dramatic-moment-gunmen-storm-dublin-hotel-34427111.html


The Indo have incredible pics of the gunmen here,dont know how or who took them.

that pic is scary

http://cdn-02.independent.ie/incoming/article34428090.ece/102e6/BINARY/sp.jpg

humberklog

refusetolose wrote: »

that pic is scary

http://cdn-02.independent.ie/incoming/article34428090.ece/102e6/BINARY/sp.jpg

The person who took it had some balls.

Luke92

humberklog wrote: »

The person who took it had some balls.

Not when you think it's gardai. Everyone there thought it was a garda operation til they start getting shot at. Supposedly there was another guy in the car park just letting a random shot or 2 off to warn passers by they ment business.

Where is this major garda operation that was supposed to be in place?

Simon2015

refusetolose wrote: »

that pic is scary

http://cdn-02.independent.ie/incoming/article34428090.ece/102e6/BINARY/sp.jpg

It looks like they are posing for the camera they don't even look like they are in a hurry.

Atlantic Dawn

Gamebred wrote: »

It amazes me how these criminals are under surveillance 24/7 yet when they get murdered the police are no where to be seen,all these hits cant be well planned many high profile criminals shot dead in Dublin ive noticed this to be the case,





http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/exclusive-dramatic-moment-gunmen-storm-dublin-hotel-34427111.html


The Indo have incredible pics of the gunmen here,dont know how or who took them.

They went all out looking for realism, professionalism look like SWAT or Garda ERU and then went using the poverty spec weapon of AK47's, jesus wept.

fleet_admiral

Looks like a girl on the right pulling the balaclava over the face. The nose, eye lashes and the way of standing all look like a girl

Keplar240B

Those are not Ak-47 as has been widely reported those are an export version of Romania’s Warsaw Pact-era AKM variant
PIRA was equipped with them by Gaddafi

A project by Fintan O'Toole and The National Museum of Ireland. It includes the object above, labeled “Decommissioned AK-47,” reputedly from the IRA stock and now on display at the Collins Barracks in Dublin.

Fintan mislabeled it as well
A History of Ireland in 100 Objects. A project by... | THE GUN.
There is a probability that these are Gaddaffi rifles to PIRA from 1980's

Between 1985–87 four shipments of arms and explosives successfully landed in Ireland by boat skipper Adrian Hopkins, totalling around 150 tons. The fifth, on Eksund, is intercepted by French Customs. Libya had sent a total of 300 tons of weaponry including 150 tons of Romanian AKMs, SA-7s, Semtex-H, RPG-7 rocket launchers, Taurus pistols, and other materiel.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_arms_importation

refusetolose

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Looks like a girl on the right pulling the balaclava over the face. The nose, eye lashes and the way of standing all look like a girl

so there was a man dressed as a woman and a woman dressed as a man :D

Atlantic Dawn

Keplar240B wrote: »

Those are not Ak-47 as has been widely reported those are an export version of Romania’s Warsaw Pact-era AKM variant
PIRA was equipped with them by Gaddafi


Fintan mislabeled it as well
A History of Ireland in 100 Objects. A project by... | THE GUN.
There is a probability that these are Gaddaffi rifles to PIRA from 1980's



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army_arms_importation

From the 80's shipments that were sent through for scrotes to get hold of working models is very unlikely, most of them are now collectors items.

Gamebred

The guns appear to have got the job done to some extent anyways,Id say high powered assault rifles are hard enough to come by in the underworld cant imagine them being cheap on the black market,Incredible picture all the same,



Amazes me how these people can drive from a base somewhere,tool up go through traffic get to the spot without bumping into police,execute somebody then escape have time to burn the vehicle,not to mention changing clothes and getting into another car,I cant stop in a yellow box without getting caught ffs.

humberklog

Luke92 wrote: »

Not when you think it's gardai. Everyone there thought it was a garda operation til they start getting shot at. Supposedly there was another guy in the car park just letting a random shot or 2 off to warn passers by they ment business.

Where is this major garda operation that was supposed to be in place?

Ooh, I dunno, there's a lot wrong with the situation to be confident enough to take out a camera and take a steady shot. Well, fair play to them.

If you really want to read about a total policing and judicial cock up look up Peter Butterly's murder in Gormanston 2013. The ERU were tracking Alan Ryan's gang, guy still got assassinated. Gang was immediately caught and trial was collapsed 2 years later.

Kermit.de.frog

Is that a woman in the picture?

Keplar240B

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

From the 80's shipments that were sent through for scrotes to get hold of working models is very unlikely, most of them are now collectors items.

No, Some of the Libyan rifles are still in circulation and still in use.

Two Romanian AKM 7.62mm automatic assault rifles seized from Irish republican insurgent displayed by Garda at press conference last month
look at the fifth picture and note the Romanian AKM the distinctive wooden handfore grip
http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/irish-news/irish-police-display-deadly-haul-of-dissident-republican-weapons-34340837.html

Ninap

bajer101 wrote: »

I actually do admire this one in a way. I pulled up short in my previous post of saying that it was nearly good to see old school, smart gangsters again. Instead of jumped up coke fueled idiots. There will always be gangsters. I like The Monk. He has a bit of honesty about him. Not like Jim Mansfield - the "auld fella", who bought everyone. Watch as this thread gets shut down.



I do actually admire Gerry. I admire him a lot more than Jim Mansfield who flew hundreds of millions of drugs into the country through his private airport while he paid off politicians.

He was done. He had retired to the Canaries. He was forced out of retirement by some gob****es. But he is a different class.

Yer talking ****e. First of all the shooters are scumbags. Second they could have killed anyone, kids included. Third they shouted that they couldn't find one person they were looking for so they didn't carry out some perfectly targeted job. Just another bloody attack that will lead to more mayhem.

bajer101

Gamebred wrote: »

The guns appear to have got the job done to some extent anyways,Id say high powered assault rifles are hard enough to come by in the underworld cant imagine them being cheap on the black market,Incredible picture all the same,



Amazes me how these people can drive from a base somewhere,tool up go through traffic get to the spot without bumping into police,execute somebody then escape have time to burn the vehicle,not to mention changing clothes and getting into another car,I cant stop in a yellow box without getting caught ffs.

It was a job done by professionals and planned by a very clever fella.

Here's a true story about the same clever fella. He was out one night driving one of his taxis for the craic and he dropped off couple of lads at a halting site in Coolock. The lads did a runner.

The Gardai have a bit of trouble going into this halting site. It usually takes a a lot of planning and major support if they need to to do a raid. But the very next morning a JCB trundled up the N32 and turned into the halting estate and proceeded to plough through walls and every other structure in its path doing tens of thousands worth of damage. Lads came pouring out of the caravans with guns and surrounded the JCB. The legend goes, that the man himself stepped out of the JCB alone. The boss man on the site ran out and saw who it was and asked what the problem was. The Monk said that a couple of lads had done a runner from his taxi. The boss man put his hand in his pocket and peeled off a few hundred euro and handed it over and apologised.