Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

32_4_1

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

I think you give them too much credit!
They aren't invincible and have their own families to worry about.
They are brave when it comes to small time gangsters, not so sure about wide reaching cartels though.

Are we talking about the same IRA? They'd curbstomp any Irish cartel, no matter how big. Your living in lala land if you think any different. They'd outgun any drugdealers, and would keep coming. Different ballpark completely. Sheer numbers alone. Plus far greater intel. To wipe them out, you'd have to head to Belfast. How are some dodgy looking southerns going to fair in hardened Republican areas chasing ghosts? Cartels are family led and if the pIRA know who they are hitting you'll be done eventually. A former corrupt superpower, with all their intelligence and firepower , couldn't wipe them out or weed their members out. Remember internment? Your letting recent dissident activity cloud your judgement. This is off topic, so I'll leave it there. Just thought the correlation of drug dealers before and after the gfa is interesting

32_4_1

32_4_1 wrote: »

Are we talking about the same IRA? They'd curbstomp any Irish cartel, no matter how big. Your living in lala land if you think any different. They'd outgun any drugdealers, and would keep coming. Different ballpark completely. Sheer numbers alone. Plus far greater intel. To wipe them out, you'd have to head to Belfast. How are some dodgy looking southerns going to fair in hardened Republican areas chasing ghosts? Cartels are family led and if the pIRA know who they are hitting you'll be done eventually. A former corrupt superpower, with all their intelligence and firepower , couldn't wipe them out or weed their members out. Remember internment? Your letting recent dissident activity cloud your judgement. This is off topic, so I'll leave it there. Just thought the correlation of drug dealers before and after the gfa is interesting

You are still living in the 70s lad!
You forget they don't care about drug dealers that pay money.

That makes them worse than the dealers in my eyes!

Up the ra and and all that ****e!

coniosumadre

32_4_1 wrote: »

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

I think you give them too much credit!
They aren't invincible and have their own families to worry about.
They are brave when it comes to small time gangsters, not so sure about wide reaching cartels though.

Are we talking about the same IRA? They'd curbstomp any Irish cartel, no matter how big. Your living in lala land if you think any different. They'd outgun any drugdealers, and would keep coming. Different ballpark completely. Sheer numbers alone. Plus far greater intel. To wipe them out, you'd have to head to Belfast. How are some dodgy looking southerns going to fair in hardened Republican areas chasing ghosts? Cartels are family led and if the pIRA know who they are hitting you'll be done eventually. A former corrupt superpower, with all their intelligence and firepower , couldn't wipe them out or weed their members out. Remember internment? Your letting recent dissident activity cloud your judgement. This is off topic, so I'll leave it there. Just thought the correlation of drug dealers before and after the gfa is interesting

What's next? A 200 page thesis on how the Kinahans would have survived in Spain during the era of Franco? or maybe we'll take it right back to the time of the Vikings.

blinding

If only we had some kind of organised police force type of thingy....to keep these gangsters...under control.

There may be some intelligent ones at the top but the lower and middle orders should drag the whole shebang down.

Lets say You/I were in business (a legit business ) with the most of these dudes do you think that they would make a go of it.

...And Justice

With the amount of waffle on here and regurgitation of posts in this thread that filter out to the media, I'd say the Gardaí have asked for a list of active IP addresses on here..





Or maybe not :pac:...............

32_4_1

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

You are still living in the 70s lad!
You forget they don't care about drug dealers that pay money.

That makes them worse than the dealers in my eyes!

Up the ra and and all that ****e!

It's nothing to do with "up the RA". The change in the mentality of drug dealers is just interesting since the gfa. And I'm not living in the 70's, if they were about now it would be the same story. As an aside, how you think any Irish cartel could challenge the provos is staggering. Whether they are morally upstanding is irrelevant to the point. A lot to be said for the vacuum the IRA left in relation to what's happening today, whether you like it or not

h2005

32_4_1 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with "up the RA". The change in the mentality of drug dealers is just interesting since the gfa. And I'm not living in the 70's, if they were about now it would be the same story. As an aside, how you think any Irish cartel could challenge the provos is staggering. Whether they are morally upstanding is irrelevant to the point. A lot to be said for the vacuum the IRA left

What was the final murder count for the RA? I'd say this lot have a bit of catching up left to do

32_4_1

...And Justice wrote: »

The original PIRA would of wiped these stupid dicks out in a flash, now in their late 60's and 70's, these guys were the most feared by the CIA at one stage because nobody knew who they were?, these new saps are in their 20's and full of it, taking the name of the RA doesn't mean you are the RA.

To associate them with the war in the north is ridiculous

In not talking about dissidents. Im talking about the actual pIRA if they continued, with new recruits etc. It's hypothetical I know, but my original question is, would all this be happening if they were still around and never decommissioned?

Gamebred

IRA have more informers than every criminal gang added up they cant take a piss without getting caught whens the last time they done anything? times have changed they are nigh on irrelevant now,I remember proper republicans real anti drug people keeping the area clean when I grew up in town,now you'd probably find them selling the stuff.

Allyall

Out of curiosity, was Alan Ryans murder ever avenged?

...And Justice

32_4_1 wrote: »

In not talking about dissidents. Im talking about the actual pIRA if they continued, with new recruits etc. It's hypothetical I know, but my original question is, would all this be happening if they were still around and never decommissioned?

If the original IRA were around, this rubbish would't have got off the ground, the PIRA were Guerrilla warfare experts, you're now dealing with kids, kids in their 20's calling themselves the RA.

Gamebred

Allyall wrote: »

Out of curiosity, was Alan Byrnes murder ever avenged?

Alan Ryan I presume your refering to,threats were made same with his brothers murder and friends murdered nothing done in reply bar the shooting of old criminal boss eamon kelly.

Simon2015

Why is Gerry Hutch even called The Monk when hes a heavy drinker ?



http://www.herald.ie/news/hutchs-drunken-bender-in-city-34747363.html

Hutch's drunken bender in city

Terrified pub owner asks gang kingpin to leave over fears of Kinahan gun attack

Ken Foy – 26 May 2016 02:30 AM
Ireland's number one gangland target Gerry Hutch was drunk as a 'Monk' when he went on a bizarre solo pub bender last week.

The Herald has learnt that Hutch stumbled into a respected north inner city pub where he was refused service by staff who were terrified he might draw hitmen to the premises.

32_4_1

Gamebred wrote: »

IRA have more informers than every criminal gang added up they cant take a piss without getting caught whens the last time they done anything? times have changed they are nigh on irrelevant now,I remember proper republicans real anti drug people keeping the area clean when I grew up in town,now you'd probably find them selling the stuff.

The IRA aren't around anymore. Im not talking about dissidents. I just posed the question, if the actual pIRA were still around, would this be happening? Or would these drugdealers have crossed them and been wiped out by this stage? People gave out about the pira, but at the same time are outraged by those now dealing without fear in their absence. Would people hypotherically take them back to keep the streets clean of drugdealers?

Simon2015

32_4_1 wrote: »

The IRA aren't around anymore. Im not talking about dissidents. I just posed the question, if the actual pIRA were still around, would this be happening? Or would these drugdealers have crossed them and been wiped out by this stage? People gave out about the pira, but at the same time are outraged by those now dealing without fear in their absence. Would people hypotherically take them back to keep the streets clean of drugdealers?

The IRA were involved in drugs since the 1970s they needed that money to fund their operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

Allyall

Gamebred wrote: »

Alan Ryan I presume your refering to,threats were made same with his brothers murder and friends murdered nothing done in reply bar the shooting of old criminal boss eamon kelly.

Yep, meant Alan Ryan.

...And Justice

Simon2015 wrote: »

The IRA were involved in drugs since the 1970s they needed that money to fund their operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

So were the UVF, UDA and the UFF, rampent up the north now, the UVF income is from drugs, look it up online, I'm not bothered posting links, Johhny Adare shot his own son in the leg, it's on youtube.

32_4_1

Simon2015 wrote: »

The IRA were involved in drugs since the 1970s they needed that money to fund their operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

Well better the devil you know.... he'd be an exception I would have thought, if not, would they be preferential to keeping the place clean from all these new guys?

Gamebred

The greed would've got the better of them no doubt and profitted from drugs eventually when leadership got into certain hands would be my guess,which as somebody says makes them worse than drug dealers by taxing the said dealers and hiding behind a supposed anti drug organisation all to line their own pockets,

Anyways its gone way off topic.

32_4_1

...And Justice wrote: »

If the original IRA were around, this rubbish would't have got off the ground.

Sorry missed this. Ye, kind of what I was trying to get at.

JustTheOne

Gamebred wrote: »

Alan Ryan I presume your refering to,threats were made same with his brothers murder and friends murdered nothing done in reply bar the shooting of old criminal boss eamon kelly.

Wouldn't be so confident of that.

DamienDarts

32_4_1 wrote: »

Doubt Kinahan and Mr. Big would pay up tbh

Can I ask , why is it ok to name Kinihan and not "Mr Big"?
Genuine question.

Boom_Bap

DamienDarts wrote: »

Can I ask , why is it ok to name Kinihan and not "Mr Big"?
Genuine question.

It's not published or documented anywhere. Any name would then be speculation.

Gamebred

DamienDarts wrote: »

Can I ask , why is it ok to name Kinihan and not "Mr Big"?
Genuine question.

One has convictions,the other doesnt....yet.

ectoraige

anthonyos wrote: »

Who is mr big can someone pm me ..

I think he's from Coolock, his mot is a journo, writes under the name Carrie Bradshaw, her real name is Sarah or Jessica Parker. Think she's from around Smithfield, they met at the horse market there.

scopper

Guys, for those of us interested in the fued as it is can we curtail IRA talk? The fact is they are not involved. Only some dissidents links. Let's keep to the real story.

myshirt

Part of the story which is being overlooked here is the impact that Gardai policing of installation of water meters has had on trust and respect between communities and Gardai.

Trust and respect has been absolutely been OBLITERATED. Do not underestimate the impact of this. A serious, serious strategic mistake.

...And Justice

scopper wrote: »

Guys, for those of us interested in the fued as it is can we curtail IRA talk? The fact is they are not involved. Only some dissidents links. Let's keep to the real story.

Dissadents are not the IRA, end of.

32_4_1

...And Justice wrote: »

Dissadents are not the IRA, end of.

I concur.

mada82

Take the Provo chat to another thread guys.

tomwaterford

...And Justice wrote: »

Dissadents are not the IRA, end of.

Why not??

Surly the largest republican paramilitary organisation would be referred to as the IRA??

...And Justice

I'll attach this then we'll stop talking about the IRA. Remember where the Labour party came from......

JustTheOne

...And Justice wrote: »

I'll attach this then we'll stop talking about the IRA. Remember where the Labour party came from......

I like!

StringerBell

tomwaterford wrote: »

Why not??

Surly the largest republican paramilitary organisation would be referred to as the IRA??

Not necessarily no.

tomwaterford

StringerBell wrote: »

Not necessarily no.

How is that?

Pira are effectively no more....do they want to copyright the name :pac:

...And Justice

tomwaterford wrote: »

How is that?

Pira are effectively no more....do they want to copyright the name :pac:

Well some teenagers do, styling themselves as. The "New RA"

Horse manure.

chillin117

...And Justice wrote: »

Well some teenagers do, styling themselves as. The "New RA"

Horse manure.

Ah lads, stop the ra talk.Its like watchin keyboard tennis

32_4_1

In fairness, I only interjected because I thought the original reason for the growth of these drugdealers would have been of some interest

themandan6611

32_4_1 wrote: »

In fairness, I only interjected because I thought the original reason for the growth of these drugdealers would have been of some interest

ah sure it will kill the time till the next killing

headnorth

Boom_Bap wrote:

It's not published or documented anywhere. Any name would then be speculation.

His name was published online and documented on various blogs....all just about as reliable as the words of crime writers in the papers,I'd guess?

realdanbreen

32_4_1 wrote: »

That's the point. If they were hypothetically still around, and the cartels didn't pay up, would the pIRA have put an end to it, and none of this would be happening?

Most of them are getting paychecks every month, some have harps on them, some have crowns, and some are getting both crown & harp cheques.

realdanbreen

myshirt wrote: »

Part of the story which is being overlooked here is the impact that Gardai policing of installation of water meters has had on trust and respect between communities and Gardai.

Trust and respect has been absolutely been OBLITERATED. Do not underestimate the impact of this. A serious, serious strategic mistake.

Sweet jesus. I've heard it all now.

gangstergossip

the hutch side is been wiped out because they linked up with NIRA members from dublin the gardai put all their manpower on to watching the main hutch and NIRA players while the rest of the available gardai set up checkpoints up outside the dublin based cartel members homes and some outside hutch linked gang members homes. But now with this new INLA group involved with the cartel side who would also be classed as dissidents the gardai will have to heavily monitor them which would stop a lot of the cartels killing and maybe allow the hutch side to strike back

Dyr

Simon2015 wrote: »

The IRA were involved in drugs since the 1970s they needed that money to fund their operations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_McCann_%28drugs_trafficker%29

You keep coming out with that ****e and not backing it up with anything.


This would still be happening if the provos were around provided the various players didn't cross the provos they would be left alone.

h2005

myshirt wrote: »

Part of the story which is being overlooked here is the impact that Gardai policing of installation of water meters has had on trust and respect between communities and Gardai.

Trust and respect has been absolutely been OBLITERATED. Do not underestimate the impact of this. A serious, serious strategic mistake.

FFS what a load of bollocks

ectoraige

myshirt wrote: »

Part of the story which is being overlooked here is the impact that Gardai policing of installation of water meters has had on trust and respect between communities and Gardai.

Yes, Richard Boyd Barrett and the AAA crowd have a lot to answer for. They had no problem organising protests stopping the lads trying to dig a few holes. I don't see them out now chanting "peaceful protest" at the lads carrying pistols and assault rifles.

JustTheOne

myshirt wrote: »

Part of the story which is being overlooked here is the impact that Gardai policing of installation of water meters has had on trust and respect between communities and Gardai.

Trust and respect has been absolutely been OBLITERATED. Do not underestimate the impact of this. A serious, serious strategic mistake.

Don't forget those blasted water meters give off cancer too!

32_4_1

Bambi wrote: »

You keep coming out with that ****e and not backing it up with anything.


This would still be happening if the provos were around provided the various players didn't cross the provos they would be left alone.

And if the current heavyweights crossed them? If the northern leadership of the dissidents (although unlikely) turn their attention down south (including their many links abroad), what is their actual capacity in relation to the Kinahan cartel out of curiosity?

32_4_1

32_4_1 wrote: »

And if the current heavyweights crossed them? If the northern leadership of the dissidents (although unlikely) turn their attention down south (including their many links abroad), what is their actual capacity in relation to the Kinahan cartel out of curiosity?

Shut up already about the Northern Leadership!
There's a bigger chance Gandalf could do something about them.
Stay on topic.

Loafing Oaf

32_4_1 wrote: »

And if the current heavyweights crossed them? If the northern leadership of the dissidents (although unlikely) turn their attention down south (including their many links abroad), what is their actual capacity in relation to the Kinahan cartel out of curiosity?

Well the issue came up earlier in the thread as to the extent to which Michael Barr represented 'the northern leadership'. Seemingly not many 'senior republicans' attended his funeral, and AFAIK there has been no clear declaration of intent to seek revenge on the Kinahans by NIRA, so I'm wondering if the hook-up with the Hutches might have been a solo run, or 'deniable' fundraising operation on his part...