Gangland Shootings in Dublin MOD Warning in Post #1 (updated 29/05/16)

ohnonotgmail

Simon2015 wrote: »

How can someone be done for "withholding information" ? I thought suspects had the right to silence ?

she knew in advance that a murder would take place. she kept that information to herself presumably because she was getting paid.

SEPT 23 1989

A crime task force talking shop committee is to be set up the tackle the international crime gangs:rolleyes:

Bicky bicky

Second woman charged with withholding information in the last hour.

humberklog

2 men in their 50's arrested over Byrne's murder. 1 held in Clontarf station and the other in Ballymun

Rakish Paddy

humberklog wrote: »

2 men in their 50's arrested over Byrne's murder. 1 held in Clontarf station and the other in Ballymun

50s... Clontarf... must... resist... urge... to speculate...

Tilly

humberklog wrote: »

That's quite the rock and a hard place situation for that woman. Inform against people involved in a Kinahan sanctioned murder or keep stum and anger the Hutch family.

Fúck her! She shouldnt have got involved.

JustTheOne

Simon2015 wrote: »

How can someone be done for "withholding information" ? I thought suspects had the right to silence ?

It is illegal to not disclose information about a murder if you know anything.

gangstergossip

JustTheOne wrote: »

It is illegal to not disclose information about a murder if you know anything.

unless you have a reasonable excuse like your life would be in danger but it looks like she didnt play that card, So this woman must not of done any ratting the two boys might get off scott free as the man who is in garda custody still has not been charged

Little CuChulainn

I've never heard of a charge of witholding brought against someone who simply overheard something and kept quiet about it. I'll be interested to hear what comes out at the trial as to the details of her charge.

gangstergossip

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I've never heard of a charge of witholding brought against someone who simply overheard something and kept quiet about it. I'll be interested to hear what comes out at the trial as to the details of her charge.

some media are saying she was suspected of providing logistical support to the killers which could be informing the killers of his movements or letting them use her home as a base to start from

coniosumadre

gangstergossip wrote: »

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I've never heard of a charge of witholding brought against someone who simply overheard something and kept quiet about it. I'll be interested to hear what comes out at the trial as to the details of her charge.

some media are saying she was suspected of providing logistical support to the killers which could be informing the killers of his movements or letting them use her home as a base to start from

There's certainly been a flurry of arrests and charges since the public outcry over last week's murder. I think that was the one that broke the camels back. Only one of the women has been charged. Media reports say the other is the girlfriend of the on the run suspect, she's not expected of any involvement but has still been in custody 7 days.

coniosumadre

gangstergossip wrote: »

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

I've never heard of a charge of witholding brought against someone who simply overheard something and kept quiet about it. I'll be interested to hear what comes out at the trial as to the details of her charge.

some media are saying she was suspected of providing logistical support to the killers which could be informing the killers of his movements or letting them use her home as a base to start from

There's certainly been a flurry of arrests and charges since the public outcry over last week's murder. I think that was the one that broke the camels back. Only one of the women has been charged. Media reports say the other is the girlfriend of the on the run suspect, she's not expected of any involvement but has still been in custody 7 days.

gangstergossip

coniosumadre wrote: »

There's certainly been a flurry of arrests and charges since the public outcry over last week's murder. I think that was the one that broke the camels back. Only one of the women has been charged. Media reports say the other is the girlfriend of the on the run suspect, she's not expected of any involvement but has still been in custody 7 days.

Yea id say there has been a lot of political pressure put on the gardai to solve the murders since the gareth hutch murder enda kenny didnt come out looking to good after claiming he couldnt stop it. I suspected the girlfriend of the on the run suspect may be charged with with holding information not the woman who has been. I also wonder if the arrests in the gareth hutch murder had any effect on the charge in the mickey barr murder?

Gadgetman496

They appear to be taking their time with the Gareth Hutch funeral too, or, has he been quietly buried already?

Probably need a donation from the big man.
They were broke! (Some say)

Esel

Rakish Paddy wrote: »

50s... Clontarf... must... resist... urge... to speculate...

Joe Duffy?

Little CuChulainn

gangstergossip wrote: »

Yea id say there has been a lot of political pressure put on the gardai to solve the murders since the gareth hutch murder enda kenny didnt come out looking to good after claiming he couldnt stop it. I suspected the girlfriend of the on the run suspect may be charged with with holding information not the woman who has been. I also wonder if the arrests in the gareth hutch murder had any effect on the charge in the mickey barr murder?

Gardaí don't need political pressure to solve a murder, they need political support in the form of manpower and resources, and I reckon in this case they got it.

Uncle Ben

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Gardaí don't need political pressure to solve a murder, they need political support in the form of manpower and resources, and I reckon in this case they got it.

They didn't need the above mentioned support pre this weekend according to Noirin and Francis.

Then again, there were no poor morale issues within the Force when Regina was talking to Sean O Rourke on Morning Ireland.

By midday the bould Regina did concede on Newstalk however, that morale could be better.

How could anyone have confidence in this farce?

Little CuChulainn

Uncle Ben wrote: »

They didn't need the above mentioned support pre this weekend according to Noirin and Francis.

Then again, there were no poor morale issues within the Force when Regina was talking to Sean O Rourke on Morning Ireland.

By midday the bould Regina did concede on Newstalk however, that morale could be better.

How could anyone have confidence in this farce?

If you are referring to Garda management then I'm not sure anyone does have confidence in it.

genericguy

Contributor 2013 wrote: »

In case you weren't aware, today is Monday, the weekend is over.

Bank holiday is next weekend, or maybe you're confused? you live in the UK?

Long weekend with armchair shinners then?

hatrickpatrick

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Gardaí don't need political pressure to solve a murder, they need political support in the form of manpower and resources, and I reckon in this case they got it.

That's not all they need, to be fair. They also need the co-operation from the judicial system which they seem to very rarely get in Ireland.

If this saga ended with the entire Kinahan gang leadership in front of the central criminal court and walking away with a few years of a suspended sentence, it would only slightly surprise me. None of them should have been free to get involved in these killings to begin with.

This sh!te will end when, and only when criminals don't get involved in tit for tat warfare because they're too terrified of the consequences in court if they get caught.

hatrickpatrick

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That's not all they need, to be fair. They also need the co-operation from the judicial system which they seem to very rarely get in Ireland.

If this saga ended with the entire Kinahan gang leadership in front of the central criminal court and walking away with a few years of a suspended sentence, it would only slightly surprise me. None of them should have been free to get involved in these killings to begin with.

This sh!te will end when, and only when criminals don't get involved in tit for tat warfare because they're too terrified of the consequences in court if they get caught.

Agreed.
There's no fear for criminals in this country.
Going to prison is seen as a badge of honour.
There's not enough prison places, which is why the judges don't sentence criminals to any decent time in prison.
I have no doubt they have been told to give lenient sentences because the places are not there .

We need to build more prisons & actually sentence criminals to proper jail time.
With no TVs or PlayStations or Xbox in their cells.

Bicky bicky

Micheal o toole reporting that man for court in the morning on firearm charge in relation to Gareth Hutch murder.

Weird!!

coniosumadre

Bicky bicky wrote: »

Micheal o toole reporting that man for court in the morning on firearm charge in relation to Gareth Hutch murder.

Weird!!

Yeah,it's the guy who handed himself in almost straight away afterwards. Bet he wishes he did a runner like the other guy now!

Glen_Quagmire

coniosumadre wrote:

Yeah,it's the guy who handed himself in almost straight away afterwards. Bet he wishes he did a runner like the other guy now!

Surely the charge is murder then?

coniosumadre

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

coniosumadre wrote:

Yeah,it's the guy who handed himself in almost straight away afterwards. Bet he wishes he did a runner like the other guy now!

Surely the charge is murder then?

Doesn't sound like it. Firearm offences according to the independent.

Bicky bicky

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

Surely the charge is murder then?

Could have supplied the gun or could be like ex sinner dude anything that sticks! Weird one alright.

arayess

coniosumadre wrote: »

Doesn't sound like it. Firearm offences according to the independent.

sunday world "crime desk"
says murder..

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/breaking-29-year-old-man-charged-with-murder-of-gareth-hutch


let the record state:
Mothers don't know best.

coniosumadre

Bicky bicky wrote: »

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

Surely the charge is murder then?

Could have supplied the gun or could be like ex sinner dude anything that sticks! Weird one alright.

I'd say at this stage anybody who's in there the full seven days ain't going home without some charge stuck on them. Actually, not going home for the forseeable future because I doubt any of them will get bail.

flutered

Uncle Ben wrote: »

They didn't need the above mentioned support pre this weekend according to Noirin and Francis.

Then again, there were no poor morale issues within the Force when Regina was talking to Sean O Rourke on Morning Ireland.

By midday the bould Regina did concede on Newstalk however, that morale could be better.

How could anyone have confidence in this farce?

or regia either, then again she had a biisness which ended up burst, with a few folk getting their fingers burned

Glen_Quagmire

So both shooters are on the run? That's not what I've been reading all week.

Peter Anthony

arayess wrote: »

sunday world "crime desk"
says murder..

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/breaking-29-year-old-man-charged-with-murder-of-gareth-hutch


let the record state:
Mothers don't know best.

The headline does, the article says weapons charge

arayess

Peter Anthony wrote: »

The headline does, the article says weapons charge

ah sure...
I only posted for the gag about his mother...

Peter Anthony

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

So both shooters are on the run? That's not what I've been reading all week.

Is there another man being questioned ? Article says "One man is still being questioned in connecton with the killing."

Thought it was 1 man and 2 women altogether, being questioned.

Glen_Quagmire

Peter Anthony wrote:

Is there another man being questioned ? Article says "One man is still being questioned in connecton with the killing."

Peter Anthony wrote:

Thought it was 1 man and 2 women altogether, being questioned.

According to the journal.ie, one woman and one man have been charged and another woman remains in custody with no charge

Bicky bicky

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

So both shooters are on the run? That's not what I've been reading all week.

Suppose depends on writing style and snippets of accurate info what get me to believe some articles but there is alot of headline grabbing titles s**te out there.

Mick the hack is on the ball most time's.

When will gardai start moving on the crumlin crew all directed from that area.

Any truth to a lady from crumlin crew calling all the shots in this feud?

Bicky bicky

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

According to the journal.ie, one woman and one man have been charged and another woman remains in custody with no charge[/quote

Second woman suppose to be charged and for court tomorrow too withholding information I think.

Spanish Eyes

Not connected to the thread really, but if this woman is related, that family is a bit off to say the least of it. But so are they all really when you think about it.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/donna-hutch-woman-with-313-previous-convictions-tried-to-stab-garda-with-syringe-34761507.html

Anyway, things are happening. All due I'd say to the man who handed himself in. Seems he is being brought before the courts tomorrow too now. I would have thought he would be State's witness or in protection or something. I wouldn't like to be him in Mountjoy/Wheatfield on remand.

Esel

arayess wrote: »

sunday world "crime desk"
says murder..

http://www.sundayworld.com/news/crimedesk/breaking-29-year-old-man-charged-with-murder-of-gareth-hutch


let the record state:
Mothers don't know best.

Picture of victim in that article looks very different to previous published picture, to me anyway. Time difference maybe?

JustTheOne

That's 3 of the murders where someone has been charged now.

Gard's are making progress.

Peter Anthony

It appears the so called "New INLA" are now on the Cartels side in the feud. Or to be more specific the side with the most cash.

Aloneagain

Peter Anthony wrote: »

It appears the so called "New INLA" are now on the Cartels side in the feud. Or to be more specific the side with the most cash.

The `NW INLA` hitman / bombmaker has gone to ground... His FB fiends are still posting status updates..
He was a worthless pawn, paid off and cut loose. A sptter in The Sunset for EC !
The lad who handed himself in (**) has (unbeknowingly) implicated at least 7 individuals and this intel is invaluable...

Peter Anthony

Aloneagain wrote: »

The `NW INLA` hitman / bombmaker has gone to ground... His FB fiends are still posting status updates..
He was a worthless pawn, paid off and cut loose. A sptter in The Sunset for EC !
The lad who handed himself in (**) has (unbeknowingly) implicated at least 7 individuals and this intel is invaluable...

Was Cumberton arrested because of what the man in custody let loose. Because its a bit of a coincidence otherwise

All the lads involved are well known and well known to each other aswell, drinking pals etc

tomofson

Peter Anthony wrote: »

Was Cumberton arrested because of what the man in custody let loose. Because its a bit of a coincidence otherwise

All the lads involved are well known and well known to each other aswell, drinking pals etc

It was my initial guess is he is going supergrass and will help solve a few of the murders with hes inside knowledge.

Peter Anthony

tomofson wrote: »

It was my initial guess is he is going supergrass and will help solve a few of the murders with hes inside knowledge.

Is he actually the 2nd shooter I wonder. Cos hes getting off lightly with a weapons charge if so. He is basically just a sidekick/associate of the INLA hitman

Gamebred

Its funny how Cumberton appears in photos with the inla bomber suspected of the hutch murder,thats the link to the barr murder anyways.

Aloneagain

Gamebred wrote: »

Its funny how Cumberton appears in photos with the inla bomber suspected of the hutch murder,thats the link to the barr murder anyways.

I have`nt seen any of those photos, can you pm me a link GB please and thank you

Bicky bicky

Do the new inla Dublin answer to overlords in the north or are they just a criminal grouping?

Aloneagain

Bicky bicky wrote: »

Do the new inla Dublin answer to overlords in the north or are they just a criminal grouping?

Look at their structure Bicky and draw your own conclussions !

Aloneagain

Bicky bicky wrote: »

Do the new inla Dublin answer to overlords in the north or are they just a criminal grouping?

Look at their structure Bicky and draw your own conclusions !